Sodomy laws defined sodomy. Otherwise, how would people know to enforce the laws?SextusMaximus said:Sodomy laws. Not sodomy.LadyRhian said:Of course it does. But it was used to criminalize male-male sex. Especially in the south. Men and women were rarely prosecuted for such (presumably because it was done in the privacy of one's home, and procreative sex was considered to be the norm where man and women were concerned.)SextusMaximus said:Unnatural is what is described. I generally assumed that to mean extreme or grotusque in the manner used. Not to mention if it is used to describe anal sex, that allows to be used for Homosexuals and Heterosexuals. Not just one.LadyRhian said:Really? I've always used it, and seen it used to describe anal sex. Laws on the books against Sodomy were put there primarily to criminalize male-male sex. Though men and women can do it as well, it's usually seen as perverted. But primarily, the meaning is Anal sex, no matter what definitions have been grafted on to it later.SextusMaximus said:Sodomy is extreme and violent sex, my word was fine, but some major groups have skewed the word in order to make it seem like something else. I'm pretty sure most dictionaries have it down as extreme sex. (or something to those words)ThreeWords said:You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...SextusMaximus said:ThreeWords said:I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?SextusMaximus said:BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.Zenn3k said:Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!SextusMaximus said:(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])
What are your views / arguments?
And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States
No, because Sodomy has a definition already. It's anal sex. And in Judaism, the crime of Sodom was not sex but inhospitality. But, from your own first link: From the earliest times in the United States, sodomy (variously defined) was prohibited, although some historians suggest that early sodomy laws were mainly used to address issues of non-consensual behavior, or public behavior. The earliest known United States law journal article dealing with sodomy was in 1905 in West Virginia. Attorney E.D. Leach argued that "perverted sexual natures" were related to crime. "Sodomy, rape, lust-murder, bodily injury, theft, robbery, torture of animals, injury to property and many other crimes may be committed under these conditions." 18th and 19th century judges often editorialized about the act of sodomy as they handed down their rulings. "That most detestable sin", the "horrid act", "the horrible crime", "that which is unfit to be named among Christians" characterized some of the language used by British and American jurists when punishing sodomites. Emphasis is usually on the notion that the act of anal penetration is so offensive "to God almighty" that the term Sodomy (literally, that which occurred in Sodom) is the only appropriate way of designating the activity. In other words, it was understood that when reference was made to "an unspeakable act" having occurred, it was clear that the act in question was none other than anal penetration. Some say, however, that the "Sin of Sodom" accurately referred not to anal penetration but rather to the agglomeration of ALL the unholy activities said to have occurred in Sodom and that it is thus inaccurate to imply a one-to-one relationship.Hateren47 said:LadyRhian said:Oral sex is cunnilingus if you are doing it to a woman, fellatio if you are doing it to a man. sex with an animal is bestiality. Sodomy is a specific act.Hateren47 said:Sodomy is not only gay sex.ThreeWords said:I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?SextusMaximus said:BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
Definition of SODOMY (from Merriam-Webster Online)
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/552329/sodomy
Can we agree that sodomy is any sexual act that some societies would deem illegal?
All right, in the American version of english anno 1905, sodomy means sex between two men. Everywhere else also includes any "unnatural sex" like oral sex, zoophilia, paedophilia, necrophilia etc.LadyRhian said:Sodomy laws defined sodomy. Otherwise, how would people know to enforce the laws?SextusMaximus said:Sodomy laws. Not sodomy.LadyRhian said:Of course it does. But it was used to criminalize male-male sex. Especially in the south. Men and women were rarely prosecuted for such (presumably because it was done in the privacy of one's home, and procreative sex was considered to be the norm where man and women were concerned.)SextusMaximus said:Unnatural is what is described. I generally assumed that to mean extreme or grotusque in the manner used. Not to mention if it is used to describe anal sex, that allows to be used for Homosexuals and Heterosexuals. Not just one.LadyRhian said:Really? I've always used it, and seen it used to describe anal sex. Laws on the books against Sodomy were put there primarily to criminalize male-male sex. Though men and women can do it as well, it's usually seen as perverted. But primarily, the meaning is Anal sex, no matter what definitions have been grafted on to it later.SextusMaximus said:Sodomy is extreme and violent sex, my word was fine, but some major groups have skewed the word in order to make it seem like something else. I'm pretty sure most dictionaries have it down as extreme sex. (or something to those words)ThreeWords said:You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...SextusMaximus said:ThreeWords said:I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?SextusMaximus said:BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.Zenn3k said:Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!SextusMaximus said:(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])
What are your views / arguments?
And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_StatesHateren47 said:LadyRhian said:Oral sex is cunnilingus if you are doing it to a woman, fellatio if you are doing it to a man. sex with an animal is bestiality. Sodomy is a specific act.Hateren47 said:Sodomy is not only gay sex.ThreeWords said:I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?SextusMaximus said:BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
Definition of SODOMY (from Merriam-Webster Online)
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/552329/sodomy
Can we agree that sodomy is any sexual act that some societies would deem illegal?
No, because Sodomy has a definition already. It's anal sex. And in Judaism, the crime of Sodom was not sex but inhospitality. But, from your own first link: From the earliest times in the United States, sodomy (variously defined) was prohibited, although some historians suggest that early sodomy laws were mainly used to address issues of non-consensual behavior, or public behavior. The earliest known United States law journal article dealing with sodomy was in 1905 in West Virginia. Attorney E.D. Leach argued that "perverted sexual natures" were related to crime. "Sodomy, rape, lust-murder, bodily injury, theft, robbery, torture of animals, injury to property and many other crimes may be committed under these conditions." 18th and 19th century judges often editorialized about the act of sodomy as they handed down their rulings. "That most detestable sin", the "horrid act", "the horrible crime", "that which is unfit to be named among Christians" characterized some of the language used by British and American jurists when punishing sodomites. Emphasis is usually on the notion that the act of anal penetration is so offensive "to God almighty" that the term Sodomy (literally, that which occurred in Sodom) is the only appropriate way of designating the activity. In other words, it was understood that when reference was made to "an unspeakable act" having occurred, it was clear that the act in question was none other than anal penetration. Some say, however, that the "Sin of Sodom" accurately referred not to anal penetration but rather to the agglomeration of ALL the unholy activities said to have occurred in Sodom and that it is thus inaccurate to imply a one-to-one relationship.
Ergo- Sodomy defined as male-male sex.
Also: Evolution of the term in other languages
In modern French, the word ?sodomie?, and in modern Spanish, the word ?sodomía?, is used exclusively for penetrative anal sex (where the penetration is performed with a penis or a substitute of similar shape such as a dildo, possibly a strap-on dildo, thus any gender can be on the giving or receiving end). The matching French verb is "sodomiser" (Spanish "sodomizar"). In modern German, the word ?Sodomie? has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality. (See Paragraph 175 StGB, version of June 28, 1935.) The same goes for the Norwegian word ?sodomi? and the Polish "sodomia".
Basically - you should stop using the word.SextusMaximus said:Sodomy laws. Not sodomy.
good point. Little Timmy doesn't need the image of a penis scaring him forever. But this begs the question of how did Timmy get to the channel in the first place. Where I live, these shows come on late at night(Past midnight). Why would any child be up that lateThe Blu Spy said:Swearing is okay i don't get the censoring
but nudity i can see why a child does not need to see tits and penis on tv
That's actually missing the point. Sodomy is anal sex. However one defines "Anal sex" doesn't enter into it. Sodomy and Buggery are used interchangably.Hateren47 said:All right, in the American version of english anno 1905, sodomy means sex between two men. Everywhere else also includes any "unnatural sex" like oral sex, zoophilia, paedophilia, necrophilia etc.LadyRhian said:Sodomy laws defined sodomy. Otherwise, how would people know to enforce the laws?SextusMaximus said:Sodomy laws. Not sodomy.LadyRhian said:Of course it does. But it was used to criminalize male-male sex. Especially in the south. Men and women were rarely prosecuted for such (presumably because it was done in the privacy of one's home, and procreative sex was considered to be the norm where man and women were concerned.)SextusMaximus said:Unnatural is what is described. I generally assumed that to mean extreme or grotusque in the manner used. Not to mention if it is used to describe anal sex, that allows to be used for Homosexuals and Heterosexuals. Not just one.LadyRhian said:Really? I've always used it, and seen it used to describe anal sex. Laws on the books against Sodomy were put there primarily to criminalize male-male sex. Though men and women can do it as well, it's usually seen as perverted. But primarily, the meaning is Anal sex, no matter what definitions have been grafted on to it later.SextusMaximus said:Sodomy is extreme and violent sex, my word was fine, but some major groups have skewed the word in order to make it seem like something else. I'm pretty sure most dictionaries have it down as extreme sex. (or something to those words)ThreeWords said:You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...SextusMaximus said:ThreeWords said:I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?SextusMaximus said:BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.Zenn3k said:Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!SextusMaximus said:(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])
What are your views / arguments?
And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_StatesHateren47 said:LadyRhian said:Oral sex is cunnilingus if you are doing it to a woman, fellatio if you are doing it to a man. sex with an animal is bestiality. Sodomy is a specific act.Hateren47 said:Sodomy is not only gay sex.ThreeWords said:I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?SextusMaximus said:BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
Definition of SODOMY (from Merriam-Webster Online)
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/552329/sodomy
Can we agree that sodomy is any sexual act that some societies would deem illegal?
No, because Sodomy has a definition already. It's anal sex. And in Judaism, the crime of Sodom was not sex but inhospitality. But, from your own first link: From the earliest times in the United States, sodomy (variously defined) was prohibited, although some historians suggest that early sodomy laws were mainly used to address issues of non-consensual behavior, or public behavior. The earliest known United States law journal article dealing with sodomy was in 1905 in West Virginia. Attorney E.D. Leach argued that "perverted sexual natures" were related to crime. "Sodomy, rape, lust-murder, bodily injury, theft, robbery, torture of animals, injury to property and many other crimes may be committed under these conditions." 18th and 19th century judges often editorialized about the act of sodomy as they handed down their rulings. "That most detestable sin", the "horrid act", "the horrible crime", "that which is unfit to be named among Christians" characterized some of the language used by British and American jurists when punishing sodomites. Emphasis is usually on the notion that the act of anal penetration is so offensive "to God almighty" that the term Sodomy (literally, that which occurred in Sodom) is the only appropriate way of designating the activity. In other words, it was understood that when reference was made to "an unspeakable act" having occurred, it was clear that the act in question was none other than anal penetration. Some say, however, that the "Sin of Sodom" accurately referred not to anal penetration but rather to the agglomeration of ALL the unholy activities said to have occurred in Sodom and that it is thus inaccurate to imply a one-to-one relationship.
Ergo- Sodomy defined as male-male sex.
Also: Evolution of the term in other languages
In modern French, the word ?sodomie?, and in modern Spanish, the word ?sodomía?, is used exclusively for penetrative anal sex (where the penetration is performed with a penis or a substitute of similar shape such as a dildo, possibly a strap-on dildo, thus any gender can be on the giving or receiving end). The matching French verb is "sodomiser" (Spanish "sodomizar"). In modern German, the word ?Sodomie? has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality. (See Paragraph 175 StGB, version of June 28, 1935.) The same goes for the Norwegian word ?sodomi? and the Polish "sodomia".
Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis you are full of it. Anal sex also already has a definition. Several in fact.