What's the problem with Nudity and Swearing?
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News flash: Obscene words are a cultural construct, deriving meaning specifically from their taboo status. If no one used it as an expletive intended to get a specific reaction from the hearer, it would be just another word. By using such a word in an everyday context, you are attempting to make it less offensive and impactful, at which point a new more shocking word will take its place.
Incidentally, I have never cursed in my life. I just never got into the habit as a child, and now when I want an expletive all I can think of is Comics Code-approved stuff like "Curses!"
Incidentally, I have never cursed in my life. I just never got into the habit as a child, and now when I want an expletive all I can think of is Comics Code-approved stuff like "Curses!"
Ok, lets start with swearing shall we? I, like all of you here, curse sometimes. It is a natural thing. People swear in movies, games and in real life, which is fine with me. However, when it is excessive it loses its effect and just becomes unpleasant to listen to. As for nudity, yea the human body is "beautiful" to many. (Hopefully people talking about the opposite sex) And it is shown in movies as well, but not as often these days. In movies it is probably picked on because many younger kids go to see these films, so you hear the parents talking. Plus, being a stripper isn't exactly an honorable profession.
If swearing weren't offensive and taboo, it would defeat the whole point of it. That's why I hate people who swear at least twice in every sentence. It looses meaning.
Nudity on the other hand, there shouldn't be as much of a problem with. Well, actually, that's not true. If everyone was completely naked, there'd be issues, but if nobody cared about people being topless, there'd be no harm done.
Nudity on the other hand, there shouldn't be as much of a problem with. Well, actually, that's not true. If everyone was completely naked, there'd be issues, but if nobody cared about people being topless, there'd be no harm done.
Here's something we should think more about: Why is sex in any type of media given slander, yet killing in media is still considered OK?SextusMaximus said:
Nothing is wrong with either. Swear words are again just words that are only as bad as you consider them. As for nudity, well I found the source of this. A couple hundred years ago the Catholic Church declared certain parts of the human body to be bad. Before that no one cared about nudity. Hell ancient Egyptian children wore nothing and no one complained. But since then we have been all uppity about nudity which is not really all that wrong. Its just skin people get over it. And why are women's breasts considered obscene but men's are not. Because there elevated? Not really a good reason.
Please, PLEASE read the other comments in the thread. All of this stuff has been covered before...Robyrt said:
The only reason we can't swear all the time is because nobody likes it when kids swear because they don't even fucking understand what they're saying and they're not mature enough to understand it so they just do it constantly. Nudity on the other hand I would like to thank unatractive people for... and I guess religion. There are lots of WOMEN I wouldnt mind seeing naked all the time, that said there are some I'd rather not see. And I don't really wanna look at naked dudes. I mean even in Sparta they dont believe in Total nudity.
And I am one of those prudes! Not necessarily an anti-nude, anti-bad-word Nazi though. I just like it to be used either contextually correctly or, as a sweet little extra.Hollyosaur said:
Like in Clerks, the swearing works because of the style of that movie anyway. It makes the movie seem real (although weird to have so many chest/face level security cameras) In Dead to Rights: Retribution though, the swearing just seems to indicate that the people writing the script had no idea how to make a 'bad ass cop on the edge' character without having every other word he uses rhyming with the Pokemon 'muk'. As for the thugs he kills; they're bad guys and as we all know, bad people never cease with the swearing
As for nudity, that's a bit more tricky. Personally, I prefer near nudity as it leave more to the imagination. Nothing ruins a nude-shot for example, like plate-sized nipples or...you know what, I'll keep quite (as the nipple thing probably already earned me a probation). Remember the original Mass Effect? You didn't see much but you saw enough to know that nudity was happening. It had the look and feel of a tender love scene which would arguably requires subtlety. You knew, however, exactly what Shepard and his Assari consort (or whoever you banged) were doing without seeing so much as a nipple.
Soft-Core porn on the other hand is hilarious. The fact that the people are naked is just the pie-in-the-face mainly because you know there is nothing at all happening down there.
I've lost my train of thought so sorry about the rambling text wall.In short: bad words and nudity =/= bad. Too much of it however, does.
By that logic, the entire world is pointless.TheRightToArmBears said:
Money is pointless.
Food is pointless.
Water is pointless.
Did..
Did you even listen to Mr Fry?
I agree completely about the nudity. Too much of any good thing is bad.Shoggoth2588 said:
Cake is fantastic. I love eating cake, it tastes great. But too much of it is a BAD thing. Same with swearing. Don't use it all the time, but feel free to use it expressing anger or to give a description to something.
Well our view of swearing comes from when those words were really offensive. People say fuck, damn, hell, or shit all the time now and they don't really mean as much today beyond being curse words. But back when this whole view was formed, saying fuck or ***** in regular conversation was the modern day equivalent of saying ****** or ****** (the homophobic slur, not the name for a bundle of twigs). Curse words held some power back then that they rarely do nowadays. I have nothing against swearing, but there are times and places for it. When you're in pain there should be nothing wrong with letting out a nice "FUCK!" to let everyone know how you feel (horrible, thanks for asking). Swearing can also be used for humor, as a well placed swear can really spice up a joke.
As for nudity, its probably because in our culture (at least in America, can't speak for other nations) sex is at its least a very private thing and at its worse a neccessary evil that should be avoid for as long as possible. Doesn't make much sense, as sex is a beautiful thing and really shouldn't be classified as being the same as violence in terms of vulgarity. Where does nudity fit into this? Nudity is generally equated with sex (in America!) so thus its a big no-no to be nude most of the time. But, rather than causing people to not get so excited when some skin is shown, it has the opposite effect; since it only paritially represses peoples natural sexual urges thus causing people to react more when presented with nudity. I'd have to agree that if nudity was so taboo and everyone was doing it then it wouldn't be such a big deal to most people. The only problem is that if nudity were to become more common, the view of a naked body wouldn't cause as much arousal. Make of that what you will. Plus, wearing clothing has its uses. In colder climes, going nude in the middle of winter is just plain stupid. It can also be useful when weather conditions are somewhat harmful. I guess that I believe the gentalia should be kept under wraps but anything else should be let out when wanted (and when its smart to do so).
As for nudity, its probably because in our culture (at least in America, can't speak for other nations) sex is at its least a very private thing and at its worse a neccessary evil that should be avoid for as long as possible. Doesn't make much sense, as sex is a beautiful thing and really shouldn't be classified as being the same as violence in terms of vulgarity. Where does nudity fit into this? Nudity is generally equated with sex (in America!) so thus its a big no-no to be nude most of the time. But, rather than causing people to not get so excited when some skin is shown, it has the opposite effect; since it only paritially represses peoples natural sexual urges thus causing people to react more when presented with nudity. I'd have to agree that if nudity was so taboo and everyone was doing it then it wouldn't be such a big deal to most people. The only problem is that if nudity were to become more common, the view of a naked body wouldn't cause as much arousal. Make of that what you will. Plus, wearing clothing has its uses. In colder climes, going nude in the middle of winter is just plain stupid. It can also be useful when weather conditions are somewhat harmful. I guess that I believe the gentalia should be kept under wraps but anything else should be let out when wanted (and when its smart to do so).
Nope.SextusMaximus said:
The point (or one of the big points) of swearing is that it's shocking if done right. Of course, if swearing ceases to be shocking then it's fairly useless.
It goes without saying that money, food and water aren't made to be shocking.
I'll give you an example why nudity and swearing is not necessarily bad, but immature; Spartacus. That show could've been very good if it didn't throw tits and fucks at you every damn second.
Contrary to popular belief, words have meaning. And so does swearing and cursing. If you're pissed off and you need to vent, by all means, curse a blue streak. But just swearing for the hell of it (I'm looking at you Spartacus) is stupid, unnecessary and immature.
As for nudity: The average naked person is ugly.
EDIT: Also, most nudity on TV or in movies is rarely used in proper context (not for kids atleast). Most of the time, it's used for either erotisism, shock value or comedy. If it's for comedy I dont mind kids seeing it.
Contrary to popular belief, words have meaning. And so does swearing and cursing. If you're pissed off and you need to vent, by all means, curse a blue streak. But just swearing for the hell of it (I'm looking at you Spartacus) is stupid, unnecessary and immature.
As for nudity: The average naked person is ugly.
EDIT: Also, most nudity on TV or in movies is rarely used in proper context (not for kids atleast). Most of the time, it's used for either erotisism, shock value or comedy. If it's for comedy I dont mind kids seeing it.
Really? I've always used it, and seen it used to describe anal sex. Laws on the books against Sodomy were put there primarily to criminalize male-male sex. Though men and women can do it as well, it's usually seen as perverted. But primarily, the meaning is Anal sex, no matter what definitions have been grafted on to it later.SextusMaximus said: