Source on that statement? Sounds like a load of shit. I didn't see them bailing when Wind Waker received MASSIVE backlash.Gary Cummings said:
Also good opportunity to mention that I do NOT get the obsession with voice acting...
What's with the shield against criticism Nintendo gets?
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Also good opportunity to mention that I do NOT get the obsession with voice acting...
I agree with what this fellow said.meganmeave said:
If it wasn't for Nintendo bringing us games like Mario, Pokemon and The Legend of Zelda, I doubt a good portion of us would have entered the gaming world when we did.
Nintendo is our Lord and Master. They can do no wrong. Hail to Mario! Plumber prophet and cake seeker! Hail to Link! May he acquire the Mirror Shield! Hail to Samus and Fox, they who travel the stars! Hail to Pokemon! May we never truly catch them all!
Really it's just because they make fun games that despite being close copies of their predecessors, are still fairly unique in our current brown and 'grown up' game market.
It's really more of a reflection on what other games developers are doing, rather than Nintendo what Nintendo isn't.
Put simply... name a game that's close to Mario on any of the current consoles. Then name a game that's close to Call of Duty. It's a lot easier to answer the second question, isn't it?
Really it's just because they make fun games that despite being close copies of their predecessors, are still fairly unique in our current brown and 'grown up' game market.
It's really more of a reflection on what other games developers are doing, rather than Nintendo what Nintendo isn't.
Put simply... name a game that's close to Mario on any of the current consoles. Then name a game that's close to Call of Duty. It's a lot easier to answer the second question, isn't it?
Reusing ideas from previous games aside, they still make really polished and fun games. I completely understand where you're coming from though. I loved SMG2, but because of the reasons you've mentioned, I really don't think it deserves as good a score as SMG1.
As for side scrollers, I don't think other companies would be called lazy for doing one, it's just not what's typical these days. Believe it or not, they still require A LOT of work, especially considering the amount of modeling and detail that goes into backgrounds you only see for a few seconds. As long as the game is still long, consumers will justify a side scroller. Losing one "dimension" doesn't automatically make a game twice as cheap to make.
As for side scrollers, I don't think other companies would be called lazy for doing one, it's just not what's typical these days. Believe it or not, they still require A LOT of work, especially considering the amount of modeling and detail that goes into backgrounds you only see for a few seconds. As long as the game is still long, consumers will justify a side scroller. Losing one "dimension" doesn't automatically make a game twice as cheap to make.
Well for one SMG 2 from the start was basically an add on. Shigeru Miyamoto said this at the start, it's not a new game, we just had so many ideas from SM1 that we had to share them with everyone. Of course they do use they're own stuff to death but they're always great i suppose. They're just always fun, your always left wanting more so in a couple of yours when you get more but with a Yoshi you're even happier. they always stick to the formula and only improve on it slightly. We've seen recently what happens if you try to go in a different direction with the new Metroid - delving away from the greatness of the Prime series and changing things up was a big mistake. They aren't ground breaking new games anymore, they're clever as they just keep doing what they do best, slightly different and better each time. I'm not sure why they're immune to it, maybe we've grown to accept it, or maybe because they've being doing it since Super Mario Bros 1 to then 3 then to World... They keep they're franchises rooted, then it's less risky, and is still gunna be a good game.
Well I can only really speak about the Mario Franchise. I played 64, Sunshine and Galaxy (as well as the original and 3 a bit) and despite criticisms of reusing Mario, the three all felt like completely different games - that is to say, while the plot and characters were fairly constant, the actual game play felt original and unique in each. Now you probably noticed that I didn't say I played Super Mario Galaxy 2 - simply because, the title says it all. It looked (and according to reviews my impression appears to have been correct)just Super Mario Galaxy again; and I already played Super Mario Galaxy.
I'll be honest. I don't care for Nintendo's products. They're good, but once you've played one of them, you've played them all.
Is it really too much to ask 1, just ONE new franchise from Nintendo? It seems they're in a position where they're too afraid to make a new franchise and instead just make 500000 sequels for their already existing franchises.
Can anybody get away with that besides Nintendo? Nope. It's sorta like Apple products... Except Apple actually makes new stuff to sell.
Is it really too much to ask 1, just ONE new franchise from Nintendo? It seems they're in a position where they're too afraid to make a new franchise and instead just make 500000 sequels for their already existing franchises.
Can anybody get away with that besides Nintendo? Nope. It's sorta like Apple products... Except Apple actually makes new stuff to sell.
Because they are old, you don't go around telling old people that they smell of piss (even if they do) because they are old and have earnt the right to smell of piss if they want to.
Incidently, the N64 was the console which made gaming for me. The gamecube and Wii incidently smell of piss IMO and should never have left the drawing board.
Incidently, the N64 was the console which made gaming for me. The gamecube and Wii incidently smell of piss IMO and should never have left the drawing board.
I will step in here to offer argument besides nostalgia, the games are just good. When you see some games adding too much to the sequels it often results in something not fitting in or being badly implemented, or at most not living up to hype. There are also story issues too to deal with that are often handled poorly. SMG1 had a simple story and had amazingly fun gameplay; critics couldn't rag on it because they had fun playing it. When SMG2 came by it added very little compared to SMG1, BUT it was still just as fun. I don't think it's hard for folks to criticize them because of nostalgia or the fact that it's Nintendo. I think it's hard to criticize the game because despite flaws it's just a really, really fun game.
That's usually the deal with most Nintendo titles, they are just really fun games to play.
That's usually the deal with most Nintendo titles, they are just really fun games to play.
I think it's because Nintendo has created living, breathing entities in gaming culture. People like Mario as a character, and by association they like Mario games. Really, though, I don't think Nintendo ever makes a truly "bad" first-party game. I would agree that some of them maybe fall into the category of good rather than great, but they're still good. If people have fun, then regardless if a title doesn't become a timeless classic, it's still going to get favorable reviews.
That said, Mario Galaxy is a great game. I would agree that a story can make games more appealing, especially in the RPG genre, but Mario is more about imaginative and satisfying game-play than anything. Besides, with the way Nintendo handles art direction, I think a serious story would take away from the wonder and awe at how unique the environments are. In some ways, the levels convey an emotion themselves - no words required.
That said, Mario Galaxy is a great game. I would agree that a story can make games more appealing, especially in the RPG genre, but Mario is more about imaginative and satisfying game-play than anything. Besides, with the way Nintendo handles art direction, I think a serious story would take away from the wonder and awe at how unique the environments are. In some ways, the levels convey an emotion themselves - no words required.
F*ck Nintento, F*ck Mario and F*ck the Wii.
The only thing Nintendo has going for it is very good marketing skills and lots of nostalgia
The only thing Nintendo has going for it is very good marketing skills and lots of nostalgia
I don't know, because they've been doing it so long that people forgot?
I haven't really had your experience, I hear Nintendo criticized all the time. I've recently begun to visualize it (and this isn't very proper of me) as a special needs child; most don't really want to openly get on it's case because... it's just the way it is.
I haven't really had your experience, I hear Nintendo criticized all the time. I've recently begun to visualize it (and this isn't very proper of me) as a special needs child; most don't really want to openly get on it's case because... it's just the way it is.
Nintendo has the "get out of criticism free" cardAzrealMaximillion said:
Valve has it's own time frame
Blizzard collects souls
and Halo/CoD have a bunch of idiot reviewers that have obviously never even touched a computer because they think halo/CoD are god FPS games
I don't think anyone else could get away with this
look at all the crap people give Sonic
and no one says anything about Mario
is this really just because Sonic 3 lost to Mario World? because they're doing the same freaking thing
on that note
Zelda has the same people same items same crap
Pokemon is the same game it was in the 90's just better looking with less original monsters
now anyone notice how much flak other adventure games (Zelda-like games) get after the first 2 or 3?
and anyone hear of monster rancher? I thought that was better then Pokemon but no one knows of it because it's NOT POKEMON
...freaking Nintendo
now I should note I like some of their games
final note: has anyone noticed that Nintendo's last ORIGINAL game, was GREAT
but was never given a sequel? (I'm referring to Eternal Darkness)
Case in point:
That Super Mario Bro's 25th anniversary edition that was just a direct port from the original without even bothering to change anything.
That Super Mario Bro's 25th anniversary edition that was just a direct port from the original without even bothering to change anything.