Whats Wrong with WAR?
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I played it for a couple weeks but just wasn't having any fun with it. It's not that it was a bad game it was just missing something. I think the pacing on it was a problem for me, it felt more like a grind when I'd do the same PQ over and over again and have a chance for the very same items each time.
Also there were so many things that were leveling up all at the same time that I was confused to what I was actually acomplishing with each thing. Then you add in skill points or talent points or whatever the hell they are and it was kind of overwhelming all at the same time. Plus the rewards were kind of pointless in that they were too easy to get, or seemed useless, not to mention everyone had the exact same stuff and looked exactly the same (dyeing armor does not make you look that individual when all the models are the same).
But that's not to say it's a bad game, it was a solid game, but just missed that special something. I really felt like the game was on rails the whole time, and yes I know WoW is very much finish one zone go on to the next, but it always felt more orgainic in how you moved through it.
Also there were so many things that were leveling up all at the same time that I was confused to what I was actually acomplishing with each thing. Then you add in skill points or talent points or whatever the hell they are and it was kind of overwhelming all at the same time. Plus the rewards were kind of pointless in that they were too easy to get, or seemed useless, not to mention everyone had the exact same stuff and looked exactly the same (dyeing armor does not make you look that individual when all the models are the same).
But that's not to say it's a bad game, it was a solid game, but just missed that special something. I really felt like the game was on rails the whole time, and yes I know WoW is very much finish one zone go on to the next, but it always felt more orgainic in how you moved through it.
It's funny though.
Most every MMO that comes out these days is derided as being a WoW clone, yet when something that ISN'T the usual grindy, levely affair comes out, a lot of the gamers will stab it through the heart with stakes, stuff garlic in its mouth, cut off its head and then let out a sigh of relief while wondering "jesus christ what was that horrid abomination!?"
Take Eve Online. Completely different experience than anything else on the market, and yet a lot of gamers go completely cross eyed when they play it because they just don't get it.
If you're going to play a regular old 'mmo' with the same ole leveling mechanics and what not, then hell, might as well play WoW.
Most every MMO that comes out these days is derided as being a WoW clone, yet when something that ISN'T the usual grindy, levely affair comes out, a lot of the gamers will stab it through the heart with stakes, stuff garlic in its mouth, cut off its head and then let out a sigh of relief while wondering "jesus christ what was that horrid abomination!?"
Take Eve Online. Completely different experience than anything else on the market, and yet a lot of gamers go completely cross eyed when they play it because they just don't get it.
If you're going to play a regular old 'mmo' with the same ole leveling mechanics and what not, then hell, might as well play WoW.
War is a horrible thing that destroys the lives of millions usually for a cause which can never justify the deaths yet always seems enough to justify the start
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Oh wait you're talking about Warhammer online? WTF I thought this was some deep shit about the futility of the will of mankind, not Gears of War's prime poaching ground (Yeah, it might as well be called Gears of Warhammer)
(reads thread)
Oh wait you're talking about Warhammer online? WTF I thought this was some deep shit about the futility of the will of mankind, not Gears of War's prime poaching ground (Yeah, it might as well be called Gears of Warhammer)
They actually fixed that in a recent patch.Ralackk said:
Personally, I picked up WAR because I've been playing warhammer fantasy for over 5 years now, and I personally like it. I've never really been a big fan of MMOs, and I never liked WoW, so it was definitely my fantasy background that got me into the game
I've actually written about this recently [http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237221], albeit a bit indirectly.
WAR has its flaws. I'd say the most critical issues right now are fixing a server population spread out across too many servers, stabalizing client to server traffic and bugfixing in the tier 4 campaign (especially in sieging of fortresses and capital cities), and dealing with crowd control with 22 currently active, somewhat mirrored, but altogether different, classes. Mythic has their work cut out for them.
But the reason I continue to do what I do for the WAR fansite community, and why I keep playing, is the constant hotfixing, interaction of the developers directly with the community to solicit feedback, and the "big picture" of the design - which, a lot of people agree, has huge potential and no danger of going down the same road as Hellgate London and Tabula Rasa anytime soon.
The other factor, as many people have referred to, is "MMO stigma" - whether that is from WoW players looking for the "WoW experience, only with decent PvP", dragging with them the "if it isn't good in one month, leave" mentality, or whether it is from people coming to immediate conclusions about the product based upon associations with EA or Games Workshop. Many of these stigmas are unfair, but in the post-WoW world, they must be lived with, dealt with, and adapted to.
If I had to make a guess, WAR is at a critical time in its life, whether to shore up its subscribers and build itself into the PvP MMO alternative for many players, or bleed subscribers until the plug is pulled. As someone waist-deep in the community, I can say we still receive tens of thousands of posts and threads a day, and many people who've quit have since poked their head in and considered a return. It's doing decently. It could, however, do better. I'm often critical (constructively so) of what Mythic is doing, but overall, I'm satisfied and confident about the game, and it is, dare I say it, an MMO that a casual player like myself can get in and play for whatever time I want. It deserves the comparison as the "Counterstrike" of MMOs, and I hope it does well, because competition can only be a good thing.
WAR has its flaws. I'd say the most critical issues right now are fixing a server population spread out across too many servers, stabalizing client to server traffic and bugfixing in the tier 4 campaign (especially in sieging of fortresses and capital cities), and dealing with crowd control with 22 currently active, somewhat mirrored, but altogether different, classes. Mythic has their work cut out for them.
But the reason I continue to do what I do for the WAR fansite community, and why I keep playing, is the constant hotfixing, interaction of the developers directly with the community to solicit feedback, and the "big picture" of the design - which, a lot of people agree, has huge potential and no danger of going down the same road as Hellgate London and Tabula Rasa anytime soon.
The other factor, as many people have referred to, is "MMO stigma" - whether that is from WoW players looking for the "WoW experience, only with decent PvP", dragging with them the "if it isn't good in one month, leave" mentality, or whether it is from people coming to immediate conclusions about the product based upon associations with EA or Games Workshop. Many of these stigmas are unfair, but in the post-WoW world, they must be lived with, dealt with, and adapted to.
If I had to make a guess, WAR is at a critical time in its life, whether to shore up its subscribers and build itself into the PvP MMO alternative for many players, or bleed subscribers until the plug is pulled. As someone waist-deep in the community, I can say we still receive tens of thousands of posts and threads a day, and many people who've quit have since poked their head in and considered a return. It's doing decently. It could, however, do better. I'm often critical (constructively so) of what Mythic is doing, but overall, I'm satisfied and confident about the game, and it is, dare I say it, an MMO that a casual player like myself can get in and play for whatever time I want. It deserves the comparison as the "Counterstrike" of MMOs, and I hope it does well, because competition can only be a good thing.
I think some people are forgetting that WAR has been out for, what, 5 months now? Of course there's going to be problems just like any other MMO. It just kinda pisses me off that people who picked it up the first week it came out, and quit after a month because "It had too many problems." Every MMO has problems at launch, just wait for them to fix it
I can't help but think this is what it boils down to. Obviously the game could just be shit but 1 million WAR subscribers showed that people are willing to at least try something different.CoziestPigeon said:
Actually, there hasn't been a single report of amount of subscribers since the news about 750k.ElArabDeMagnifico said:
Sure, the game won't be good after a month. Or even three. But not fixing bugs, that apparently were in-game since Closed Beta? Or imbalance in professions (Squig Herders and Shadow Warriors were the worst classes in the game, BWs and Sorcs were the OP in terms of damage) that people wanted to be fixed 2 months before official release? This I won't tolerate.
It plays in the same way as wow. For the people who are not fed up with wow that is fine. Even though the game bring in many awsome feutures the core gamplay is about the same as wow. As I was really tired of wow I got tired of WAR too. If you have not played wow I advise you to pick it up.
WAR! Huh! Good God, y'all, What is it good for? Absolutely NUTHIN.
Sorry, had to do it. Now, what is this thread about?
Ah, I see. Well, I never played Warhammer Online, so I cannot form an opinion. Sorry for interrupting the discussion. I'll be leaving now.
Sorry, had to do it. Now, what is this thread about?
Ah, I see. Well, I never played Warhammer Online, so I cannot form an opinion. Sorry for interrupting the discussion. I'll be leaving now.
Once order gets their stun gun the game will be balanced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SdjbfakDiE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SdjbfakDiE&feature=related
Fyi, Mythic wasn't lieing about there not being Healbots. In Beta, healers didn't heal.
Guess what? That game wasn't fun and they quickly adapted. Mythic learned that there are some people or rather a lot of people that WANT TO HEAL and by excluding that part of the game they not only removed a very popular MMO element but a key component to the traditional combat setting.
Guess what? That game wasn't fun and they quickly adapted. Mythic learned that there are some people or rather a lot of people that WANT TO HEAL and by excluding that part of the game they not only removed a very popular MMO element but a key component to the traditional combat setting.
QFTsanzo said:
WoW was a broken mess in its first year. Everybody hopped from EQ to WoW and straight back again because it was crap. No, don't try to say different, if you were there, you know this to be true.
WAR, unlike another set of MMO's that will remain unnamed has the staying power to last that first year while being up against the titan that is WoW, that should convince anyone of its quality. And like WoW, it will improve and evolve over time.
LMAO!Kukul said:
Kukul, Does that make sense in your head?
MMOs have a hard time keeping me interested - I've tried both WAR and WoW, and neither kept me interested long enough to reach any high level. This is surely a result of my feet firmly placed in the fertile soil of the "Games are art"-camp.
This being said, I like WAR over WoW. Some of the reason behind this is probably that I play the tabletop game of Warhammer myself, and that I am deeply fond of the Warhammer setting on its own. Gameplay is a minor factor for me, although I found WAR to be more exciting in that aspect as well - the characters seem more original to me, even if that comes from just ripping off the system from WoW (I am not saying that WAR rips off WoW, the basic interface just strikes me as a bit too familiar) and slapping extra gadgets (like the beat-o-metres of the Warrior Priests and Disciples of Khaine) on it. Also PQs and RvR added another dimension to the game, although it didn't matter very much to me.
The thing that really make me like WAR over WoW is, though, the general atmosphere and believability of the game. To take some brief examples:
In WoW, the human starting zone is a green area around an abbey where disturbingly tight groups of bandits, kobolds and wolves hang out in peaceful union, only waiting for budding heroes to be assaulted by.
In WAR, on the other hand, the human (or "Imperial") starting zone is scorched, wartorn fields where the Imperial forces battle marauding hordes from their ramshack, barricaded village. The whole place cries out with the desperation that is war.
Also, to look at the cities, Altdorf seems much more like a probable city than, say, Stormwind and The Inevitable City is, albeit strange and outlandish, more exciting than Orgrimmar or indeed any other town in WoW.
All of this may not matter to the regular MMOer, but to an arty fag (not really a fag - Go, asexualism, go!) like me it helps making the world believable, and thus much more enjoyable to play in. I play neither game at the moment, but should I return to one it'd be WAR.
This being said, I like WAR over WoW. Some of the reason behind this is probably that I play the tabletop game of Warhammer myself, and that I am deeply fond of the Warhammer setting on its own. Gameplay is a minor factor for me, although I found WAR to be more exciting in that aspect as well - the characters seem more original to me, even if that comes from just ripping off the system from WoW (I am not saying that WAR rips off WoW, the basic interface just strikes me as a bit too familiar) and slapping extra gadgets (like the beat-o-metres of the Warrior Priests and Disciples of Khaine) on it. Also PQs and RvR added another dimension to the game, although it didn't matter very much to me.
The thing that really make me like WAR over WoW is, though, the general atmosphere and believability of the game. To take some brief examples:
In WoW, the human starting zone is a green area around an abbey where disturbingly tight groups of bandits, kobolds and wolves hang out in peaceful union, only waiting for budding heroes to be assaulted by.
In WAR, on the other hand, the human (or "Imperial") starting zone is scorched, wartorn fields where the Imperial forces battle marauding hordes from their ramshack, barricaded village. The whole place cries out with the desperation that is war.
Also, to look at the cities, Altdorf seems much more like a probable city than, say, Stormwind and The Inevitable City is, albeit strange and outlandish, more exciting than Orgrimmar or indeed any other town in WoW.
All of this may not matter to the regular MMOer, but to an arty fag (not really a fag - Go, asexualism, go!) like me it helps making the world believable, and thus much more enjoyable to play in. I play neither game at the moment, but should I return to one it'd be WAR.
Kyuumi said:
Excuse me, but either my sarcasm detector is broken, or you are serious.
Real game. On a console. On Xbox 360 or PS3.
I think I've got a humor overload. Like when you see something so funny, you can't even laugh.
Look at PvP from WoW. Look at PvP from WAR.Valiance said:
Especially scenarioes.