Yeah! I often forget about that show, but remember it fondly. I really enjoyed the In Vitro story angles a lot. The two different "tubey" main characters were very well done, and I loved their view on life and the world. Definitely an under-appreciated show for it's time.Unkillable Cat said:
What's your favorite science fiction show?
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Lordie, I'd completely forgotten that series, but you jogged my memory.Unkillable Cat said:
I remember when that came out. It looked like something I'd been waiting for forever: a Sci-fi series, but with realistic dirt, grime and warfare, rather than a pristine Enterprise crew ending a Borg war with one shot and a shower of fireworks. Band of Brothers in space. Aliens' Marines given the limelight and their own series. It should have been AWESOME! It had its moments, and a rock-solid concept, but it was so bloody cack-handed in its scripting. "Today's Episode is about Racism. Racism is BAD. Hating people because they're different is BAD. To drive that home, let's show this week's Twagic Formative Background of one of our in-vitro characters." Such a waste...
Glad to see this thread catching off. Some musings based on the most common themes:
-Star Trek: Ironically, it was the Abrams film reboot that actually introduced me to the series, as in, I was aware of Star Trek before that but hadn't seen much of it. Right now though, my favorite era of the three film series I've seen enough of to judge would be TNG, the others being TOS and Enterprise. Though that said, well, ever heard of SfDebris? If not, change that.
Of the three above, TNG would be my favorite. As dreary as season 1 is, it does pick up in season 2, and I especially remember it for the episode "The Measure of a Man." TOS, I think has aged quite well. What's more, I appreciate in TOS how it parallels what was going on in the world at the time. The klingons are an obvious stand-in for the Soviets for example, the doomsday weapon the Enterprise faces represents the idea of nuclear armageddon, etc. As for Enterprise...well, "bleh." That's all I have to say of season 1. Archer just won't shut up about how special humans are, how nasty vulcans are, and...well, yeah.
-Babylon 5: Regretfully never seen it. Sfdebris's reviews have given me the basics, but it's just that, the basics. And because I'm mean, I'm going to half throw down the gauntlet, half get advice - which series should I get into first? B5 or DS9?
-Firefly: Y'know...I never really got into this. I mean, yeah, I've watched the TV series, seen the movie, I've got the novelization of said movie and a few of the comics on my bookshelf. And yet, while Firefly isn't bad by any means, I've never really got into it the same way so many other fandoms have.
Which is strange, because a lot of parallels can be drawn with Farscape. Band of outlaws on the fringes of civilization? Check. Quirky humour and whatnot? Check. Decent continuity that makes episodes have consequences? Check. And yet, even taking the first season of Farscape by itself (and it had some misteps), I'd still rate it higher than Firefly, even though for having one season, Firefly clearly found its stride early on. I guess if I had to say is that by its nature, the Firefly setting is static, that it's a band of outlaws doing their thing, and that's it. But even that's unfair because every Star Trek show I've listed above was arguably "just a starship doing its thing" (I know the borg and xinti change that up, but haven't got that far), and Farscape was "a spaceship fleeing the Peacekeepers" through most of season 1, and remained the same in season 2, only with the added layer of Scorpius/Harvey. So why is Firefly a problem for me?
Farscape, IMO, has far more going for it in its setting. We start off with "alien of the week," then by the end of season 1, introduced to Scorpius, the wormhole tech, etc. Season 2, chase continues, we're introduced to the scarrens. Season 3, stakes get higher, have two Crichtons, learn the nature of the scarren-Peacekeeper conflict, ends with the destruction of Scorpius's carrier. Season 4, now the scarrens are the threat, Earth's at risk, etc. Peacekeepr Wars, one final battle. Farscape is an excellent case of starting off small, then slowly building up your universe, the stakes, and the characters in it. Firefly, while one can speculate how it might have gone, is a series I can't see really going anywhere. Even after the film, I don't doubt that Mal and his crew will just do what they keep doing (though a sequel comic series is out that I haven't read, so that may change. Likewise haven't read the Farscape sequel comics yet either).
I dunno. Good show, but I don't hold it that highly on a personal level.
-Stargate: I have a weird relationship with Stargate. I saw the original film around the time it first came out (it was on DVD though), forgot about it, then started with Stargate Universe when it began airing, then made my way to SG-1, then made my way to Atlantis. The weird result is that I've seen every episode of the live-action Stargate series (and one episode of Infinity...oh God...) Of the three, I'd label SG-1 as the strongest, followed by Universe (different, but did its own thing, and definately picked up in season 2) followed by Atlantis (a.k.a. "SG-1 lite"). Not bad, but I feel playing it safe too much, basically face-lifting what SG-1 already did, and making it less interesting (the goa'uld have the whole god thing going for them and cultural oppression, while the wraith...eat people. Yay.)
Despite the cynicism, I still like Stargate. While I don't hold it as highly as other series (similar to Firefly), I think it's decent overall. SG-1 has its share of tongue and cheek, but does deal with interesting concepts (the entire goa'uld-human-cultural-religious thing), has elements of the military but isn't jingoistic about it (e.g. Russians are treated as rivals of sorts to the US Stargate program, but aren't lambasted), had a natural buildup (start off with the stargate, develop fighters, the Prometheus), and in a way, has its own version of "where no man has gone before."). If asked what Stargate was about, I'd actually label it as "discovery"). Discovering new worlds. New cultures. It's a bit like Star Trek actually, but with different means. It's probably why I like Universe as well, and not so much Atlantis.
-Red Dwarf: I actually have the DVDs on my "to get list." But apart from Sfdebris, my only experience is the novel 'Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers'). Good read overall.
-Futurama: Seen the first two seasons and a few of the later episodes. Overall, quite like it. I have to hand it to Matt Groening in that unlike, say, the library of Seth McFarlene (Family Guy-American Dad-Cleaveland Show...ugh), it's its own thing from the Simpsons. Fry, Leela, and Bender are clearly the main characters, whereas the Simpsons is more eclectic in who it focuses on. Also like how Fry develops as a character (at least in later seasons) over time, slowly becoming more responsible. I haven't seen enough of Futurama to comment on it deeply, but overall, quite like the series. Lighthearted fun and sattire that manages to do drama and emotion quite well also.
-Battlestar Galactica: Only familiar with the rebooted series (and Blood and Chrome, seen the DVD movies as well, namely Razor and The Plan). Overall, solid series. Season 4 really had issues though, it felt like two seasons being compressed into the space of one. IMO, season 4 should have been everything from Kara's return to Earth, and a season 5 should have covered everything from Earth to 'new Earth'). I understand that this was due to the Writer's Guild Strike as well.
But overall, like it. It does try to be a bit too 'gritty' at times (how willingly characters frak), but overall, solid. Last cast of characters, but many of them get development. Space combat is good, and something we haven't seen before in other sci-fi shows that much (e.g. Stargate, Star Trek). Universe is bare bones, drama is on the ships, but it works. All in all, good job.
As for the low tech aspect, that was another thing that kind of bothered me. We have a society that's mastered FTL travel, but apparently hasn't advanced in any other area. Telephones still use chords, paper is used instead of pads, the weapons are basically pop-guns against Centurions, etc. While it's quintisential to the series, it does remain iffy from a worldbuilding standpoint.
-Defiance: Only seen the first season. Overall, rocky start, but I feel the setting has a lot of potential. Characters are okay, but not that interesting, but granted, that may have changed over season 2. Overall, not that large a fan, but I'm glad to see it continue.
But oh God, the effects. It's not a dealbreaker, but the volge at the start of season 1, the creatures they confront in the mines (the ones creating the gulanite)...ugh. I'm more tolerant of CGI than most, but...gah!
-Cowboy Bebop: Not a large anime fan, but seen this series. Overall, quite like it. It's a bit hard to explain why, and what's more, it's in a similar position as Firefly. Beatdown ship, ecletic cast just doing their thing, etc. However, if Cowboy Bebop has a theme (and I'll spare a lecture on what I percieve as the "meaning" of Bebop), it is, in my mind, nihilism. And it carries that well. Oh, and Ed's adorable.
-Andromeda: Oh why. Why?
I've only seen the first two seasons on DVD, but from what I understand, the series takes a nosedive onwards, and arguably I could label the point where that nosedive occurs as the point when future Trance shows up. Andromeda...Andromeda is a lot like Star Trek: Voyager, going by what a lot of people say about the latter. Andromeda had so much potential. Sometimes in the first two seasons, it lived up to it. It has a great premise, but it so rarely felt like it was actually living up to it. Season 1, solid overall, it establishes the characters, the goals, and by the Worldship, we've established the stakes as well. First half of season 2, good character development, such as Harper's magog issue, the growing tension/friendship between Dylan and Tyr, the introduction of Terezed, etc. And then...then we get future Trance. The costume change. Rev Bem leaving. And a season finale that is, well, ugh.
I could go on. Overall, I'm fond of Andromeda. But of what I've seen, I can't rate it that highly. It had all the potential to be something excellent. But so often it would not, or could not, seize the greatness it could have been.
Oh, and http://www.cyberspace5.net/agentrichard07/coda.htm may be what Rattja's looking for. Haven't read it yet, I want to see the series as a whole before going down the path of "what if?"
-Star Trek: Ironically, it was the Abrams film reboot that actually introduced me to the series, as in, I was aware of Star Trek before that but hadn't seen much of it. Right now though, my favorite era of the three film series I've seen enough of to judge would be TNG, the others being TOS and Enterprise. Though that said, well, ever heard of SfDebris? If not, change that.
Of the three above, TNG would be my favorite. As dreary as season 1 is, it does pick up in season 2, and I especially remember it for the episode "The Measure of a Man." TOS, I think has aged quite well. What's more, I appreciate in TOS how it parallels what was going on in the world at the time. The klingons are an obvious stand-in for the Soviets for example, the doomsday weapon the Enterprise faces represents the idea of nuclear armageddon, etc. As for Enterprise...well, "bleh." That's all I have to say of season 1. Archer just won't shut up about how special humans are, how nasty vulcans are, and...well, yeah.
-Babylon 5: Regretfully never seen it. Sfdebris's reviews have given me the basics, but it's just that, the basics. And because I'm mean, I'm going to half throw down the gauntlet, half get advice - which series should I get into first? B5 or DS9?
-Firefly: Y'know...I never really got into this. I mean, yeah, I've watched the TV series, seen the movie, I've got the novelization of said movie and a few of the comics on my bookshelf. And yet, while Firefly isn't bad by any means, I've never really got into it the same way so many other fandoms have.
Which is strange, because a lot of parallels can be drawn with Farscape. Band of outlaws on the fringes of civilization? Check. Quirky humour and whatnot? Check. Decent continuity that makes episodes have consequences? Check. And yet, even taking the first season of Farscape by itself (and it had some misteps), I'd still rate it higher than Firefly, even though for having one season, Firefly clearly found its stride early on. I guess if I had to say is that by its nature, the Firefly setting is static, that it's a band of outlaws doing their thing, and that's it. But even that's unfair because every Star Trek show I've listed above was arguably "just a starship doing its thing" (I know the borg and xinti change that up, but haven't got that far), and Farscape was "a spaceship fleeing the Peacekeepers" through most of season 1, and remained the same in season 2, only with the added layer of Scorpius/Harvey. So why is Firefly a problem for me?
Farscape, IMO, has far more going for it in its setting. We start off with "alien of the week," then by the end of season 1, introduced to Scorpius, the wormhole tech, etc. Season 2, chase continues, we're introduced to the scarrens. Season 3, stakes get higher, have two Crichtons, learn the nature of the scarren-Peacekeeper conflict, ends with the destruction of Scorpius's carrier. Season 4, now the scarrens are the threat, Earth's at risk, etc. Peacekeepr Wars, one final battle. Farscape is an excellent case of starting off small, then slowly building up your universe, the stakes, and the characters in it. Firefly, while one can speculate how it might have gone, is a series I can't see really going anywhere. Even after the film, I don't doubt that Mal and his crew will just do what they keep doing (though a sequel comic series is out that I haven't read, so that may change. Likewise haven't read the Farscape sequel comics yet either).
I dunno. Good show, but I don't hold it that highly on a personal level.
-Stargate: I have a weird relationship with Stargate. I saw the original film around the time it first came out (it was on DVD though), forgot about it, then started with Stargate Universe when it began airing, then made my way to SG-1, then made my way to Atlantis. The weird result is that I've seen every episode of the live-action Stargate series (and one episode of Infinity...oh God...) Of the three, I'd label SG-1 as the strongest, followed by Universe (different, but did its own thing, and definately picked up in season 2) followed by Atlantis (a.k.a. "SG-1 lite"). Not bad, but I feel playing it safe too much, basically face-lifting what SG-1 already did, and making it less interesting (the goa'uld have the whole god thing going for them and cultural oppression, while the wraith...eat people. Yay.)
Despite the cynicism, I still like Stargate. While I don't hold it as highly as other series (similar to Firefly), I think it's decent overall. SG-1 has its share of tongue and cheek, but does deal with interesting concepts (the entire goa'uld-human-cultural-religious thing), has elements of the military but isn't jingoistic about it (e.g. Russians are treated as rivals of sorts to the US Stargate program, but aren't lambasted), had a natural buildup (start off with the stargate, develop fighters, the Prometheus), and in a way, has its own version of "where no man has gone before."). If asked what Stargate was about, I'd actually label it as "discovery"). Discovering new worlds. New cultures. It's a bit like Star Trek actually, but with different means. It's probably why I like Universe as well, and not so much Atlantis.
-Red Dwarf: I actually have the DVDs on my "to get list." But apart from Sfdebris, my only experience is the novel 'Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers'). Good read overall.
-Futurama: Seen the first two seasons and a few of the later episodes. Overall, quite like it. I have to hand it to Matt Groening in that unlike, say, the library of Seth McFarlene (Family Guy-American Dad-Cleaveland Show...ugh), it's its own thing from the Simpsons. Fry, Leela, and Bender are clearly the main characters, whereas the Simpsons is more eclectic in who it focuses on. Also like how Fry develops as a character (at least in later seasons) over time, slowly becoming more responsible. I haven't seen enough of Futurama to comment on it deeply, but overall, quite like the series. Lighthearted fun and sattire that manages to do drama and emotion quite well also.
-Battlestar Galactica: Only familiar with the rebooted series (and Blood and Chrome, seen the DVD movies as well, namely Razor and The Plan). Overall, solid series. Season 4 really had issues though, it felt like two seasons being compressed into the space of one. IMO, season 4 should have been everything from Kara's return to Earth, and a season 5 should have covered everything from Earth to 'new Earth'). I understand that this was due to the Writer's Guild Strike as well.
But overall, like it. It does try to be a bit too 'gritty' at times (how willingly characters frak), but overall, solid. Last cast of characters, but many of them get development. Space combat is good, and something we haven't seen before in other sci-fi shows that much (e.g. Stargate, Star Trek). Universe is bare bones, drama is on the ships, but it works. All in all, good job.
As for the low tech aspect, that was another thing that kind of bothered me. We have a society that's mastered FTL travel, but apparently hasn't advanced in any other area. Telephones still use chords, paper is used instead of pads, the weapons are basically pop-guns against Centurions, etc. While it's quintisential to the series, it does remain iffy from a worldbuilding standpoint.
-Defiance: Only seen the first season. Overall, rocky start, but I feel the setting has a lot of potential. Characters are okay, but not that interesting, but granted, that may have changed over season 2. Overall, not that large a fan, but I'm glad to see it continue.
But oh God, the effects. It's not a dealbreaker, but the volge at the start of season 1, the creatures they confront in the mines (the ones creating the gulanite)...ugh. I'm more tolerant of CGI than most, but...gah!
-Cowboy Bebop: Not a large anime fan, but seen this series. Overall, quite like it. It's a bit hard to explain why, and what's more, it's in a similar position as Firefly. Beatdown ship, ecletic cast just doing their thing, etc. However, if Cowboy Bebop has a theme (and I'll spare a lecture on what I percieve as the "meaning" of Bebop), it is, in my mind, nihilism. And it carries that well. Oh, and Ed's adorable.
-Andromeda: Oh why. Why?
I've only seen the first two seasons on DVD, but from what I understand, the series takes a nosedive onwards, and arguably I could label the point where that nosedive occurs as the point when future Trance shows up. Andromeda...Andromeda is a lot like Star Trek: Voyager, going by what a lot of people say about the latter. Andromeda had so much potential. Sometimes in the first two seasons, it lived up to it. It has a great premise, but it so rarely felt like it was actually living up to it. Season 1, solid overall, it establishes the characters, the goals, and by the Worldship, we've established the stakes as well. First half of season 2, good character development, such as Harper's magog issue, the growing tension/friendship between Dylan and Tyr, the introduction of Terezed, etc. And then...then we get future Trance. The costume change. Rev Bem leaving. And a season finale that is, well, ugh.
I could go on. Overall, I'm fond of Andromeda. But of what I've seen, I can't rate it that highly. It had all the potential to be something excellent. But so often it would not, or could not, seize the greatness it could have been.
Oh, and http://www.cyberspace5.net/agentrichard07/coda.htm may be what Rattja's looking for. Haven't read it yet, I want to see the series as a whole before going down the path of "what if?"
I take it you are talking about the reboot series.Rattja said:
Personally i always enjoyed the original show, didn't really get in to newer one.
An other good show i didn't see mention yet was Earth: Final Conflict.
It was created by Gene Roddenberry.
And it was about an alien race made out of mostly energy, that came to earth for "dipolmatic" reasons and of couse a hidden agenda.
Personally i greatly enjoyed this show.
And lets not forget: Captain Power and the soldier of the Future.
A show with morphing power armor long before i even heard about the power rangers.
I enjoyed many of the shows mentioned.
But to be honest not many have aged well.(probably some nostalgia at play)
Star trek: TNG, season 1 and 2 are terrible, all the characters are as stiff a board(this does improve).
Star trek: TOS, (the Kirk one) aged a lot better.
Star trek: voyager, by no means bad, but a litte to alike to TNG. (especially when Q started to pop up, but loved the final episode though)
Star trek: DS9, didn't really pull me in until the Dominion war near the end)
Babylon 5, not seen in ages but enjoyed back then.
Farscape, loved it back then, but it just looks silly now.
Any StarGate series: haven't seen one in ages, but loved it back then.
Does Red Dwarf count? Yes I know it's comedy but I still consider it to be sci fi.
Other than that I still got to mention Quantum Leap!
Other than that I still got to mention Quantum Leap!
Found it!;Rattja said:
http://www.roberthwolfe.com/Coda/Andromeda___Coda.pdf
Thanks to TV Tropes. He explains it's basically fan-fiction, but it's by the original showrunner, so it's as close to what should have been as possible.
SG-1 for sure as my favorite. It had all the things it needed to be fun and funny, while still getting the time it needed to develop some great stories and characters. It even survived a rebooting at the end after losing the main character.
Farscape takes second for me. A human getting stuck in an insane galaxy is fun enough, but having that human face that insanity head on by being just as insane took it to whole new levels.
It's a 2 way tie for 3rd, because they share a lot of the same basic elements. Babylon 5 (minus the 5th season) and DS9. Both have great characters, political intrigue, and threats to destroy the galaxy. Both take place on a space station. Yay!
Horrible mention goes to the new BSG. When you overarching plot boils down to God saying that humanity needs to be destroyed so that they can migrate to space and fuck space apes on another planet to be stronger, you've lost your fucking marbles putting that shit on TV. Not to mention that Bob Dylan/Jimmy Hendrix apparently were tapping into some genetic memory from the Cylon DNA to write The Watchtower.
Farscape takes second for me. A human getting stuck in an insane galaxy is fun enough, but having that human face that insanity head on by being just as insane took it to whole new levels.
It's a 2 way tie for 3rd, because they share a lot of the same basic elements. Babylon 5 (minus the 5th season) and DS9. Both have great characters, political intrigue, and threats to destroy the galaxy. Both take place on a space station. Yay!
Horrible mention goes to the new BSG. When you overarching plot boils down to God saying that humanity needs to be destroyed so that they can migrate to space and fuck space apes on another planet to be stronger, you've lost your fucking marbles putting that shit on TV. Not to mention that Bob Dylan/Jimmy Hendrix apparently were tapping into some genetic memory from the Cylon DNA to write The Watchtower.
TNG, ironically, spent its first season trying way too hard to be TOS "in the future!" (so to speak), and was far worse than the original show. It wasn't until halfway through season 2 when it let go of that and stopped being afraid to be its own show that it improved greatly. And season 3 is when TNG hit its stride and became pretty consistently excellent.Hawki said:
And I'm always glad to see someone from my generation appreciating TOS for what it was, rather than shunning it because of the goofy props and effects and hammy acting. You're right, it holds up well despite its limitations because it earnestly tried to be about something, and much of what it had to say still applies.
But the less said about Enterprise the better...
Babylon 5 is fantastic, all in all I would say a better put-together show than any Star Trek, even if it can never quite claim my heart away from Trek. But since you are already immersing yourself in it, I would say watch DS9 first. Once you finish that, you can try out B5 to see a different but contemporary view of political intrigue in space.Hawki said:
I am very pleasantly surprised by how much I am currently enjoying Farscape. I'm halfway through season 2, and so far I am impressed. It is very refreshing to see a sci-fi show blend character drama and self-aware humor so expertly. Star Trek had its comedy and drama sharply divided, and Firefly I think relied too much on quippy lines to lighten the mood. Farscape takes itself seriously enough to pull off drama and tension, but never loses sight of its nature as a silly space show. That episode where the blind alien uses mind-warping light to make everyone crazy was brilliant, just a great example of how to be hilarious and gripping at the same time.Hawki said:
Also, I've heard that people complain about the puppets, but I never had trouble accepting them as characters. The animatronics are amazing, and Pilot especially never feels like an inanimate object.
Futurama is the absolute best sci-fi nerd show of all time. It totally gets what makes science fiction so interesting, and the number of references to all kinds of sci-fi culture is astounding. It also manages to tell its own unique stories, never relying on cliches, only mocking them and having fun with them. And on top of that, it manages to be fantastically funny. Even the last couple seasons on Comedy Central were both better sci-fi and better comedy than almost any other show on tv at the time.Hawki said:
I can die happy knowing I can always turn to Rick and Morty and Futurama (I don't watch live action shows that often. At all); the dedication is strong when you have a tattoo from the former.
Also I'm not ENTIRELY sure if Ergo Proxy counts since it's like a mix of science fiction, cyberpunk, futuristic crap but I COUNT it as science fiction so I'll add Ergo Proxy to the list.
I bet my dad's disappointed in me since he likes all the ones mentioned (Firefly, Stargate: Atlantis, etc) and I just couldn't get into them - I found River to be one of the most singularly annoying characters I've ever seen so I couldn't even get through Firefly BUT I TRIED, DAD -sob-
Also I'm not ENTIRELY sure if Ergo Proxy counts since it's like a mix of science fiction, cyberpunk, futuristic crap but I COUNT it as science fiction so I'll add Ergo Proxy to the list.
I bet my dad's disappointed in me since he likes all the ones mentioned (Firefly, Stargate: Atlantis, etc) and I just couldn't get into them - I found River to be one of the most singularly annoying characters I've ever seen so I couldn't even get through Firefly BUT I TRIED, DAD -sob-
The first episode of season two was the most realistic for me. I can legitimately see everything up to the last step happening NOW, even! I feel like the technology might already be there. Such a well done show.DizzyChuggernaut said:
Heh, it's kind of endearing in a way. It may be just me, but I found with TOS, season 1 seemed to more commonly go for the "mythical route," as in, Gary Mitchell (becoming godlike), the metrons (godlike beings), though granted, season 2 had Apollo. May be over-generalizing, but I enjoyed season 2 of TOS more (like I liked season 2 of TNG more). Haven't got to season 3 of either series yet.TheVampwizimp said:
Ah, yes. Crackers Don't Matter. While Farscape has definately pulled on the heartstrings, even as early as season 1 (John's torture, Crais's guilt, Gillina's death), I'd actually call that episode my favorite Farscape episode ever. It's quintisential Farscape. Campy and goofy on the outside, but with character threads buried beneath the insanity.TheVampwizimp said:
As for the muppets, well, damn. I'm more tolerant of CGI than most, but I've got to say, the practical effects in Farscape are fantastic. There's Rygel of course, but also alien designs, especially the scarrens. You've probably encountered them so far, being halfway through season 2, but damn. While humanoid, they're some of the most alien designs I've ever seen in a TV series, at least for bi-peds. Humans wearing suits of course, but damn if the effects aren't convincing.
Anyway, while I'm rambling, I'll knock off some more shows I've seen:
-Terra Nova. In a way, I'd call this the sci-fi equivalent of 'Merlin.' As in, it's a family show through and through, with reduced violence and complexity. Still, while Merlin had characters that were fun to watch (the Merlin-Arthur banter) and characters that developed over time (Morgana and Arthur himself), Terra Nova doesn't do its characters as well. It may be an unfair comparison, considering it only lasted one season, but it's a comparison that comes to mind nonetheless. Boys like girls. Family is happy. There's dinosaurs, but they don't do anything too nasty.
I've only seen half of the season, and while I have the DVD, I've never got round to watching it yet. Overall, decent, but nothing to write home about.
-Outcasts: I've heard people say that this was sacrificed on the BBC's pillar, to prove that the public didn't like science fiction and/or the only science fiction they wanted was Doctor Who. To which I say, no. Outcasts was canceled because it was bad.
Okay, that's just me, but there's really nothing to recomend about this show IMO. Characters? Bland. Setting? Bland. Story? Bland. Worldbuilding? Sketchy. I only watched a few episodes, but even reading the plot summary on Wikipedia, it doesn't look that appealing to me. I feel that as far as the "frontier town" idea goes, Defiance is a superior example to both Outcasts and Terra Nova. Defiance has its flaws, sure, but its setting and characters are strong enough to make me glad it's still around.
Anyway, I'll sign off here. Got a few more shows to mention, but time's limited and whatnot.
My favorite show would have to be SG1 and Stargate in general. I guess a lot of my attachment to it comes from it being the show I grew up watching with my Dad and the rest of my family. It has definitely had a big effect on my tastes.
Jeez, that last episode. I already kinda knew what's going to happen (because I knew a bit of the backstage problems it recentely had), but I imagine that came out of nowhere for a lot of people. Damn...Remus said:
One of the main characters Sameen Shawn sacrifices herself to save the other characters, the whole scene was very strong, the kiss, the machine trying it's hardest to find a way to save Shawn, Root complete desperation. That was probably due to it's actress being pregenant (of twins apparently) and wouldn't be able to continue on the show for at least two years. (It would be Season 6 by the time she could come back, and probably was very, very hard to justify the character being away that long)
Also, shippers were made happy even if was for a brief moment.
Also, shippers were made happy even if was for a brief moment.
Yeah, currently is one of my favorites. So add another vote for me.
A bit offtopic, but it's Farscape that good? I saw a couple times while navegating Netflix and thought "This could be good... But I want to watch something else." I could give it a try if people recommend enough... (Yes, I am asking to you try to covert me to Farscape, so convert away)