When do you consider a series as "Dead"?

[Sheo_Dagana]

When the IP's owner not only murders it, but stages an elabortae "Weekend at Bernie's"-style farce to convince everyone it's alive and kicking.

I'm not naming any names here *cough* Mega Man *cough*.

Your accurate portrayal of the circus that was Capcom killing the Mega Man franchise picks at my wounded heart.

OT: Nothing ever truly stays dead, as publishers will pull out some old shit just as a cash-grab. Zelda has been dead to me for a long time now. Basically, a series is dead to me when it stops being interested. Zelda did not become more interesting just because they replaced mashing buttons with waving controllers around.

 

[krazykidd]

I'd call it dead once the first re-make comes rolling out. Not because remakes are inherently bad, they just tend to signal the point when the developer runs out of ideas.

This . Remakes and reboots for me . Rip DMC . I rarely by reboots .

 

[hotdogoctopus]

When ever it stops being fun to play.

 

[JackandTom]

I've actually only ever declared one thing 'dead' to me media wise.
And that's (unfortunately) Doctor Who. At least until Moffat and Smith are gone.

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I respect your opinion but, even though it can get complicated, it's consistently better now than it was under Russell T. Davies. Matt Smith is great as well but even he can't fill that David Tennant shaped void.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I've actually only ever declared one thing 'dead' to me media wise.
And that's (unfortunately) Doctor Who. At least until Moffat and Smith are gone.

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I respect your opinion but, even though it can get complicated, it's consistently better now than it was under Russell T. Davies. Matt Smith is great as well but even he can't fill that David Tennant shaped void.

Yeah River Song was just a fantastic addition to the cast. I like having an overbearing preachy Mary Sue who strips the Doctor of almost everything that makes him good.

I watched until 'Let's Kill Hitler', and even watching that far was because it was kind of a family thing. After LKH I outright refused to watch another episode. I'm not torturing myself weekly just because my sister thinks Matt Smith is hot.

 

[BrotherRool]

Spec Ops has shown there's almost no metric where a franchise can actually be called dead. Okay '10 years without games' I could understand those coming back, because in 10 years, fans of those games can become developers or publishers and make a push for them, or a genre comes back into fashion and people mine it for IPs. And I can understand it surviving a developer breakup, because money.

... but the fact that a franchise can survive all those things, plus no-one giving a toss about it when it was new?


So that means you can basically only call a franchise dead when the IP has got so tangled up in legal battles and that no-one can work out who owns what.

Yeah River Song was just a fantastic addition to the cast. I like having an overbearing preachy Mary Sue who strips the Doctor of almost everything that makes him good.

I watched until 'Let's Kill Hitler', and even watching that far was because it was kind of a family thing. After LKH I outright refused to watch another episode. I'm not torturing myself weekly just because my sister thinks Matt Smith is hot.

I don't think he said any of those things you're replying to? Unless he edited his post.

I agree with him actually, I feel like the top end has been knocked off with the show-running and I don't like River Song or the repeated use of Angels(basically what Moffat running the show has spoilt, is allthe stuff that Moffat contributed to make previous series' of Dr Who excellent ) and Matt Smith will never steal my heart like David Tennant... but there's more consistent middle ground now. You see far less of the absolutely awful episodes that used to be seen, even if the brilliant ones haven't quite showed up either.

...but all of this is opinion, and I can't imagine me saying this is going to change your lack of enjoyment with the show

 

[Signa]

To me, a dead series is not a series that is no longer in production. No One Lives Forever isn't dead, it's just on permanent hiatus. What is dead is the games that are still around to remind you that they have a corpse. Sonic would be a great example of this, because they keep making games that no one likes, and the formula doesn't even resemble the original games.

Granted, I haven't played Sonic since the Genesis, but every time I glace at it, it's like seeing the zombie of your old friend. It looks the same, but it's not the friend you once had.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Yeah River Song was just a fantastic addition to the cast. I like having an overbearing preachy Mary Sue who strips the Doctor of almost everything that makes him good.

I watched until 'Let's Kill Hitler', and even watching that far was because it was kind of a family thing. After LKH I outright refused to watch another episode. I'm not torturing myself weekly just because my sister thinks Matt Smith is hot.

I don't think he said any of those things you're replying to? Unless he edited his post.

I agree with him actually, I feel like the top end has been knocked off with the show-running and I don't like River Song or the repeated use of Angels(basically what Moffat running the show has spoilt, is allthe stuff that Moffat contributed to make previous series' of Dr Who excellent ) and Matt Smith will never steal my heart like David Tennant... but there's more consistent middle ground now. You see far less of the absolutely awful episodes that used to be seen, even if the brilliant ones haven't quite showed up either.

...but all of this is opinion, and I can't imagine me saying this is going to change your lack of enjoyment with the show

He said Moffat's run was consistently better than RTD's. My counter-argument is that Moffat's is automatically inferior by the simple inclusion of River Song. The three way combination that stopped me watching Doctor Who is thus:

River Song.
Matt Smith.
Moffat is terrible at writing long connected story arcs.

As for there not being as many terrible episodes? I can't actually remember a single episode I liked pre-LKH when I stopped watching. I can't remember most of what happened at all. it was so much wallpaper paste and paint drying to me, with no memorable characters, no exciting plots or action scenes, and an absolutely god-awful Doctor who I couldn't stand.

It all comes down to opinion, and while I will freely admit that Blink and The Doctor Dances are quite possibly the best RTD episodes ever made the Moffat seasons never even came close to interesting me, let alone impressing me.

And finally: The Vampires of Venice, The Curse of the Black Spot, Let's Kill Hitler. Three episodes that for me hold the distinction of being in my bottom ten television episodes ever. Of all the television I have ever seen (a lot) three of the most hated things I've seen are all Moffat Doctor Who episodes. Maybe 1 is an RTD Doctor Who.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Either death by mediocrity or death my non-existence.

 

[Twilight_guy]

When they stop making games for the series. Yo can bring a series back *cough*Dues ex*cough* but its dead so long as no one is making any games for it at the moment.

 

[Shadowstar38]

The first, very obvious one, is when a series has not only stopped being made, but also no one would give a fuck if there were more games in that series.

The second is when the series no longer looks like what it originally was. Spyro the Dragon still has a game out, but it's dead to me. All I can say when I look at footage of it is "wtf is this shit?!"

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Typically when it hits the 3rd instalment.

Or indeed any sequel that very suddenly shits on everything that the previous instalment/s established.

 

[Smeggs]

When I ask myself, "Why are they even still making these?"

Honestly, most series of games I've played have not yet gotten that question from me. As long as Nintendo keeps pumping out good Zelda games, I'll keep playing them.

Though I have asked of FF, "Why are they still making the same character?" Seriously. There are more mentalities than Brooding Hero, Chipper Hero, and Girl. And you know what I mean by the last one.

They always have the same personality. Always.

 

[StylinBones]

You can't do it! These days, Hollywood will dig anything out of the grave and re-make it - Total Recall, Judge Dredd, Planet of the Apes, etc. How many times are they gonna do a Spiderman saga? Batman? Throw in some fancy costumes and special effects, switch up the plot, and you're golden.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

When EA publishes it.

/thread

This is one of those times where "/thread" isn't an arrogant or joking statement, but rather a statement of fact.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Have you played the Resident Evil 6 demo...?

There you go.

 

[Sean Hollyman]

When the studio is out, no more games are being made, no news, nada.