Doom972 is referring to PC users. Haven't heard of console games using always online DRM so it'd be safe to assume its the PC version.Smeggs said:
When EA falls, Ubisoft will rise.
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Not really. The latter 3 you mentioned came out a decent bit before the trend of using piracy outlets to promote games was done. And Project Zomboid isn't even done yet.Tom Waits said:
Ultima Online was also one of the most hacked games of all time. That's why it never went past 250,000 subs. And 100,000 subs back when the only other graphical MMO was in South Korea isn't that big of a deal all things considered.Auron said:
Also considering that EverQuest came out 2 years later and immediately had many more players constantly. Runescape was even more popular.
Ultima Online was a milestone, but it also wasn't handled very well at all.
EA will eventually be dispersed due to bloat. Unfortunately thats what happens when cellular organisms get bigger than their host, the disperse into smaller chunks and some survive and some are eaten alive... or dead.
Something like that. I see EA as a malignancy, but with salvagable pieces were they to be left to their own devices rather than micromanaged by a creature who cannot understand their language or their design.
Something like that. I see EA as a malignancy, but with salvagable pieces were they to be left to their own devices rather than micromanaged by a creature who cannot understand their language or their design.
How would a crash fix anything? In the gaming industry, there isn't really any monopoly to talk of, and a crash isn't close to happening with how widespread gaming is at the moment. So can people stop spamming about the crash?Nurb said:
Is there anything really hateful that Valve has done in a while? They've pulled some nasty tricks, but not anything hateful enough that the constant Steam sales don't reimburse. Only thing I can think of is Steam-released Bioshock.FoolKiller said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Being the first game to do it and quite profitably at that makes it a failure how? The fact that it could have been handled better makes it a failure how? They couldn't possibly have any MMO experience when the genre was practically being invented right there. You must remember that back then gaming wasn't about 15 million subs and I still maintain it doesn't need them today.
If anything EA destroyed Origin for no reason. I'd link you a great article about the entire story right here in the escapist but I'm on mt android now. Highly suggest you search amd give it a read though, it's full of interviews of people involved.
Therefore it isn't a valid example piracy is hurting some indie games? A bit selective aren't we? I also throw in Project Zomboid because you mentioned something about indie games that's in alpha stage.AzrealMaximillion said:
You haven't named an indie game that piracy has hurt and I can't think of one. The main problem for indie games is exposure. That's why Steam Greenlight exists.Tom Waits said:
But as has been seen, piracy is probably the best exposure that some indie games have gotten in recent years. I don't recall ever hearing/seeing World of Goo's "rampant piracy problems".
The developer even blog about it on their site. It was quite a big news couple years back.AzrealMaximillion said:
http://2dboy.com/2008/11/13/90/
I'm sad whenever I'm seeing stuff like that. As I'm firm believer that content creators should get paid for their work.
EA, Ubisoft, and Activision own most of the well known content and control most of the gaming industry because they own all those developers. They have the money to take risks and try new things and make niche titles, but they're not interested in making games like the artists they own.crimson sickle2 said:
Them going into bankrupcy allows for a more even playing field which is what happened during the 90's and early 2000's, where independent developers created all of the games the big publishers are milking for all they're worth now after being bought up.
The artists controled the industry, not the publishers, and that's what needs to happen again.
Fuck Ubisoft. Ruining Assassin's Creed with constant releases and drawing out the series until it loses all plot integrity, Uplay trying to supplant actual online services, wasting my time, and online passes/preorder bonuses are rampant. I go to see about Assassin's Creed 3 and the special edition is the only one on the fucking shelves, selling for launch price and nothing more. THAT'S WHAT THE REGULAR EDITION IS FOR, ASSHOLES.
As you may have gathered, my only recent experience with them is AC3. But I do dislike them for it.
As you may have gathered, my only recent experience with them is AC3. But I do dislike them for it.
Thing is, EA, Ubisoft, and Activision don't own so many ip's that they can bully out every upstart design team, that doesn't stop them from trying. Even if they did, that's not a monopoly, it's technically an oligopoly.Nurb said:
Besides that irrelevant point, if a crash happens, even just targeted to these three, that's a lot of publishers out of commission. Who then is supposed to publish games? We got lucky with Nintendo stepping in and bailing out the industry. New publishers can step in and make themselves even more customer unfriendly than those three, make an even worst evil and all that. It'd be better to let them die off one by one if they continue to suck at their jobs, that's the natural order of nature and economy, plus it won't stop some inspired artist from getting the next classic gem published. Besides, how the hell is a crash supposed to happen at the current time? Maybe in a few years if we're diving for it, but otherwise I don't get how the chanting is supposed to call it upon us.
It was also a big news story that it was horribly exaggerated. From what I remember, they made up the statistic based on the number of IP addresses which had connected to the game's online features vs. the number of sales they had received. Lord only knows how many of those IP addresses came from me playing it on my laptop in various locations, and I paid for the stupid game. See the problem here?Tom Waits said:
It's always easy to be keyboard analyst when it's not your money on the line.Owyn_Merrilin said:
Likewise, it's always easy to go overboard and panic when it's your money on the line, even if it later turns out that what you were worried about wasn't really a problem.Tom Waits said:
The thing is, World of Goo was still decently successful. It was a multiplatform release after all. And I'm betting that the most of the 90% that pirated the game also bought it afterwards. The numbers on people who pirate THEN buy are never factored into these claims of 90% piracy.Tom Waits said:
Like I said, World of Goo is a pretty well known indie title that saw good success. The funnier thing is, if the had said that they were going to do always online DLC it probably would have failed in today's PC market.
What sounds better? A great success that gets pirated like everything else?
Or a failure that died only due to its draconian attempt to prevent people from pirating the game.
Look at Miner Wars 2081. That's a single player indie game that had always online DRM. While on Steam (which is DRM in a palatable form). They removed the DRM from the Steam Version after massive revolt and failing sales.
I hear more stories about games failing due to DRM than piracy.
Really? Because I'll still consider buying an EA game if it appeals to me. Same with Activision.
But Ubisoft? Dear Cthulu no they will not have my fucking money.
But Ubisoft? Dear Cthulu no they will not have my fucking money.
