When has something been too mean-spirited or cruel for you to enjoy?

[Darth Rosenberg]

Melancholia bored the balls off of me. Most of the thing is just an unpleasant wedding bookended by a pair of nihilistic perfume commercials. I'd recommend going older if you can. Europa and Breaking the Waves are both pretty good, though I can't say the same about a lot of his other works that came after.

I guess I'd consider Von Trier mostly unpleasant. Haneke too---I can't think of any other filmmaker that's been praised as much for being mean and didactic toward their own audience.

Nah, from the clips and interviews, Melancholia's definitely one I'd like to see sometime. I like Dunst - especially when she has more of an auteur director to work with - and the whole cosmic angle makes it look (in both senses of the word) interesting.

Just watched the trailer for Europa... and 'weird as fuck' comes to mind. Breaking The Waves actually looks pretty great, though, and endearingly normal for Lars. Huh, that was Emily Watson's debut, as well.

As for Haneke? He's always a name that's lauded, seemingly universally, but I've only seen about thirty minutes of one of his films; Amour, and that at least was rather beautiful and humane.

 

[Chanticoblues]

Dunst is very good in Melancholia. If there's one thing I like about Von Trier it's all the committed performances he gets out of his actors. Breaking the Waves is definitely one of his more grounded films, and out of "I'm going to take a woman and break her down in front of an audience" series its the most sympathetic and balanced.

Amour is one of Haneke's warmer films for certain. Even then, I can't help but feel that he's very attracted to suffering, and even a movie about a pair of old people still falls victim to his shock theatrics. It's practically nothing compared to Benny's Video or Funny Games, though.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Seriously, screw The Departed. I don't care what anyone says, that was one of the most abrupt and crappy endings I ever had the displeasure of viewing. I mean what the hell was even the point of it then?
"Ooooh look at me I'm so dark and edgy and I make everything pointless because that's how life is"
Then piss off and kill yourself already, there's a limit to how much anyone could tolerate crap like this. I mean did ANYONE get the message of the ending? Life sucks and you're just a pawn?

Spoiler

But then what's this about the other rat getting killed as well? And who the hell is Mark Walberg's character anyways?

Do movies need to have a message? Some stories are just tragedies. Did the good guy have to die? No, but that's not always how it works in real life. Walberg was the only one suspicious of Damon, so after both his partner and the guy working under him are murdered, he takes it upon himself to enact vengeance. I do agree though (well, not in the sense that I didn't enjoy the movie), the ending is pretty damn cruel with how sudden the deaths are.

Anyway, a recent example for me would be the assistant's death in Jurassic World. It was completely off in tone from the rest of the movie. She has this brutally torturous death that feels ridiculously over the top compared to any other death in the film. It's like they thought we should be hating her for some reason.

 

[Leg End]

It could be that I gave up way too early, but I didn't make it past the tutorial of Hotline Miami. Within the first second of pressing the start button, the game is telling you to kill people, and the absolute first thing you do is go kill two innocent people who are fleeing from you.
Sorry, no, that's not my fantasy.

If you're meaning the tutorial, I don't remember them fleeing. If it helps, they're Russian mobsters.

The whole Steven Universe fandom controversy (when people bully a fan artist for drawing fanart of the show incorrectly to the point of suicide) has left me a foul taste toward the show.

Dammit Tumblr.

Also no I ain't acting melodramtic by stop watching the shows will make any difference.I still watching it well when it returns! I just find it strange that I watched the show and get an enjoyment from the action, comedy or the character development, some people out there are probably watching it as if it's a gift from gods!

ALL HAIL LORD SUCROSE
But being serious, I'm glad you're still hyped to see it.

Lastly yes I know every fandoms out there has a dark side but I don't recall anything similar to this. I mean not even the Derpy incident from MLP had resulted in someone trying to commit suicide!

That said... when I heard about the SU thing, it was legitimately the first time in my life where I though "okay... the dissenters might be onto something." Every popular thing is gonna attract its fair share of assholes. That's just simple math. but when I heard that, it really made me question what the hell the show does that attracts that kind of toxicity? Porn and some overdefensiveness here and there is one thing, but that was an example of a fanbase punching itself. I just don't get it.

It's an instance of a show attracting everybody, including a very specific type of SJW that enjoys the show but doesn't quite *get* that the show hates them and is not what they think it is. Anyone that can watch the show and enjoy it while telling someone to end their own life because of body depictions has clearly missed the entire point. The fanbase is so large it has pretty much everyone in it, which pretty much happens to anything that has one and it hits a certain level.

As far as the actual topic here, I can't think of anything but maybe modern Spongebob. I'll keep thinking.

 

[s0denone]

Family Guy and South Park always baffle me; I keep wondering how could so many people like that.

But if they like those cartoons, good for them. What really I can't stand is people on the internet giving a like+ to pointless acts of douchebaggery towards other people, children or animals.
There's a video of a guy crushing a poor parrot's cage and the parrot yelling at him. That video got something like 80.000 likes and I would give a punch of the face to those 80.000 people.

I think Family guy is often daft, while South Park can be legitimately funny, if ham-fisted, satire.

On the point of the parrot cage, though, here is the original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM8aBESf8EI
The parrot getting riled up is not the one whose cage it is, and the guy doing it is making a point: That parrots need corners in their cages, so round cages belong in the trash. He is a from a parrot rescue, bud.

http://www.saskatoonparrotrescue.ca/

Maybe reconsider whether you want to punch all those people )

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

I've reconsidered it and I still want to punch them.

They were laughing at a parrot seeming pissed at having his cage smashed. That's what they were laughing at; not a parrot rescue center making a point.

To be honest, they probably planned out the video going "and then we'll smash the round cage, because we're bird enthusiasts and we're sick of people putting their birds in round cages" and then the parrot flipped out and that turned out to be funnier than the original idea.

Seriously, man, they probably didn't even keep that parrot in that cage. They would've had a square cage sitting off-camera that the parrot actually lived in.

Then again I also want to punch in the face anyone who thinks a parrot mimicking human swearing is "funny".
Pro tip: if he learnt to swear it means that parrot's owners are bad people who either swear way too much or who willingly thought to teach the parrot offensive words.

This may surprise you, but swear words are often pretty funny, and parrots swearing is even funnier. Swearing a lot doesn't make you a bad person. Uncouth, maybe. Not face-punch-worthy.

If I had to do some comparative ethical analysis here, punching someone in the face for teaching their parrot to swear is probably a lot worse than teaching a parrot to swear in the first place.

 

[s0denone]

I've reconsidered it and I still want to punch them.

They were laughing at a parrot seeming pissed at having his cage smashed. That's what they were laughing at; not a parrot rescue center making a point.

Then again I also want to punch in the face anyone who thinks a parrot mimicking human swearing is "funny".
Pro tip: if he learnt to swear it means that parrot's owners are bad people who either swear way too much or who willingly thought to teach the parrot offensive words.

I once read on a vet site that a good way to tell if a parrot is well-kept is to see if they learnt to mimick the "smooch" noises.

So we establish that the guy is from an animal rescue, and that they created a video that went viral, in order to raise awareness for the fact that birds need cages with corners. Sure, a lot of people just thought it was funny because the parrot had a seemingly aggressive reaction, but you have to understand that this guy is doing his best to better conditions for that parrots as well as many others.

Pebble, the name of the crazy parrot in the video, has starred in several other youtube videos with the same guy. Some are quite adorable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hto_uvmLq-8

I think you're severaly mistaking the reason people like the video. I have extremely limited experiences with parrots, so it was just surprising and funny to me, how the parrot started going ballistic. People having infantile senses of humour and laughing at a bird saying "fuck" is something you're free to chastise them for, but that seems petty.

I don't think anyone thought it was funny in a mean way, as in laughing because the parrot was mad its cage was being smashed. At the very least, it has to be a minority, and they still contribute to raising awareness for the "round cages", not to mention the parrot rescue. No sense being riled up

Seriously, man, they probably didn't even keep that parrot in that cage. They would've had a square cage sitting off-camera that the parrot actually lived in.

If you just read one-line video description, you can see that the cage is from "JoJo", another rescued parrot, and that "Pebble"(the parrot going crazy) is just "supervising".

 

[WindKnight]

It's an instance of a show attracting everybody, including a very specific type of SJW that enjoys the show but doesn't quite *get* that the show hates them and is not what they think it is. Anyone that can watch the show and enjoy it while telling someone to end their own life because of body depictions has clearly missed the entire point. The fanbase is so large it has pretty much everyone in it, which pretty much happens to anything that has one and it hits a certain level.

As far as the actual topic here, I can't think of anything but maybe modern Spongebob. I'll keep thinking.

It wasn't "SJW's" in that case... someone wanted the artist 'out of the way' so they could have a chance with their partner, and that's why they started the harassment.

 

[Leg End]

It wasn't "SJW's" in that case... someone wanted the artist 'out of the way' so they could have a chance with their partner, and that's why they started the harassment.

That is just absolutely disgusting. Totally, infinitely goddamn disgusting.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The Big Lebowski. (Fuck that police chief)

 

[CyanCat47_v1legacy]

Throw in another vote for Game of Thrones. It amazes me when the creators act all offended when someone accuses them of doing things for shock value when much of the stuff they've done isn't in the books.

What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.

However, I will say this: those who think Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is too dark and gritty need to check out the Second Apocalypse books by R Scott Bakker. They make Thrones look like a fairy tale.

i will agree that GoT is way to heavy on shock value at times but in terms of the whole margaery thing most people i know lost their virginity at 14. tommen is 15, one year away from minimum age and most kids break the rule, some times with people older than themselves. besides isn't margaery technically 17? besides tommen inniciated it and in the medival ages this sort of thing was common. even in the 1700s the lords of versailes broke the betrothal of 15 year old Louis XV to a 4 year old spanish princess so that he could marry a 22 year old polish princess and the boy was a bloody nyphomaniac. in the next ten years they had ten children and it eventually got to the point that the queen of france kept making up saint's days as an excuse to not let her husband into her bed

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

Throw in another vote for Game of Thrones. It amazes me when the creators act all offended when someone accuses them of doing things for shock value when much of the stuff they've done isn't in the books.

What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.

However, I will say this: those who think Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is too dark and gritty need to check out the Second Apocalypse books by R Scott Bakker. They make Thrones look like a fairy tale.

i will agree that GoT is way to heavy on shock value at times but in terms of the whole margaery thing most people i know lost their virginity at 14. tommen is 15, one year away from minimum age and most kids break the rule, some times with people older than themselves. besides isn't margaery technically 17? besides tommen inniciated it and in the medival ages this sort of thing was common. even in the 1700s the lords of versailes broke the betrothal of 15 year old Louis XV to a 4 year old spanish princess so that he could marry a 22 year old polish princess and the boy was a bloody nyphomaniac. in the next ten years they had ten children and it eventually got to the point that the queen of france kept making up saint's days as an excuse to not let her husband into her bed

Margaery is in her 20s in the show while Tommen is underage. By Westerosi law, he cannot legally consummate the marriage.

 

[BrawlMan]

The Big Lebowski. (Fuck that police chief)

Can someone explain to me why this movie gets so much recognition? I saw it twice and found it pretty boring. So boring, that I do not remember anything.

 

[CyanCat47_v1legacy]

Throw in another vote for Game of Thrones. It amazes me when the creators act all offended when someone accuses them of doing things for shock value when much of the stuff they've done isn't in the books.

What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.

However, I will say this: those who think Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is too dark and gritty need to check out the Second Apocalypse books by R Scott Bakker. They make Thrones look like a fairy tale.

i will agree that GoT is way to heavy on shock value at times but in terms of the whole margaery thing most people i know lost their virginity at 14. tommen is 15, one year away from minimum age and most kids break the rule, some times with people older than themselves. besides isn't margaery technically 17? besides tommen inniciated it and in the medival ages this sort of thing was common. even in the 1700s the lords of versailes broke the betrothal of 15 year old Louis XV to a 4 year old spanish princess so that he could marry a 22 year old polish princess and the boy was a bloody nyphomaniac. in the next ten years they had ten children and it eventually got to the point that the queen of france kept making up saint's days as an excuse to not let her husband into her bed

Margaery is in her 20s in the show while Tommen is underage. By Westerosi law, he cannot legally consummate the marriage.

in the medival ages nobody cared about the law if there was need for a royal heir. both men and women would often have to marry children of 12-13 simply to ensure alliances or the survival of the bloodline. remember that in the books joffrey was 14 at the time of his wedding and very eager to consumate it. if sansa had been married to a worse man than Tyrion she would have gotten pregnant at 12

 

[Chanticoblues]

The Big Lebowski. (Fuck that police chief)

Can someone explain to me why this movie gets so much recognition? I saw twice and found it pretty boring. Sp boring, that I do not remember anything.

It's one of those movies you either dig or you don't. It's ostensibly a film noir where the everyman trying to clear his name is a stoner burnout. Because of this the plot takes a backseat to all the weird character interactions that happen, and if those don't do anything for you then the movie's kind of a lost cause.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Here's one: Game of Thrones

I stopped reading the books for just this reason, it's just too relentlessly cruel and violent. Any time anything even remotely good happens to a character it just makes you feel dreadful because you just know it's building towards something far more terrible down the road. There's no hope, no optimism, it's pure unhappy angry and often foul people being angry and foul to each other.

If I want unending cruelty and unhappiness I can examine facets of real life, so no thank you to having that in my fantasy as well. There was just this point mid-way through one of the books where I realized I was just miserable reading it as it was making me feel sad, after realizing that I put the book down and have never touched it since. Haven't seen the show either. Why bother? I already know how it's going to end: Miserably.

There are still 2 characters I really like in GOT that if either of them die I'm done with the series, but pretty much Any show that does this I can't get into.

Shows like Akame Ga Kill, or The Walking Dead. Characters that are in a situation where there really isn't any hope, and it's all just about getting close to the characters before they inivitably die.

The Walking Dead I think is the fucking worst though, cause after the first season they get to the CDC and find it abandoned, my only thought was... what is the point of this show? Were just going to watch them try to survive? For what? Theres no hope here. The world will NEVER go back to normal, these characters will NEVER have happy lives, and even if they find a place that's relatively safe it's just a big count down till they get over run or attacked.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

The Big Lebowski. (Fuck that police chief)

Can someone explain to me why this movie gets so much recognition? I saw twice and found it pretty boring. Sp boring, that I do not remember anything.

Because there never was any fucking money, man, they threw out a ringer for a ringer.

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

Throw in another vote for Game of Thrones. It amazes me when the creators act all offended when someone accuses them of doing things for shock value when much of the stuff they've done isn't in the books.

What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.

However, I will say this: those who think Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is too dark and gritty need to check out the Second Apocalypse books by R Scott Bakker. They make Thrones look like a fairy tale.

i will agree that GoT is way to heavy on shock value at times but in terms of the whole margaery thing most people i know lost their virginity at 14. tommen is 15, one year away from minimum age and most kids break the rule, some times with people older than themselves. besides isn't margaery technically 17? besides tommen inniciated it and in the medival ages this sort of thing was common. even in the 1700s the lords of versailes broke the betrothal of 15 year old Louis XV to a 4 year old spanish princess so that he could marry a 22 year old polish princess and the boy was a bloody nyphomaniac. in the next ten years they had ten children and it eventually got to the point that the queen of france kept making up saint's days as an excuse to not let her husband into her bed

Margaery is in her 20s in the show while Tommen is underage. By Westerosi law, he cannot legally consummate the marriage.

in the medival ages nobody cared about the law if there was need for a royal heir. both men and women would often have to marry children of 12-13 simply to ensure alliances or the survival of the bloodline. remember that in the books joffrey was 14 at the time of his wedding and very eager to consumate it. if sansa had been married to a worse man than Tyrion she would have gotten pregnant at 12

Nobody cared about the law, says who? Marriages happened at young ages, yes, but if Margaery didn't sleep with Tommen in the books (since she showed zero interest in sex whatsoever), why would she sleep with him in the show? He's still legally a kid, and by both modern and Westerosi standards, sleeping with him would be both illegal and immoral.

 

[SweetShark]

Yep, this is common for me when I am trying to find a normal Hentai to enjoy........
Holy sh*t they are cruel most of the times.

 

[CyanCat47_v1legacy]

Throw in another vote for Game of Thrones. It amazes me when the creators act all offended when someone accuses them of doing things for shock value when much of the stuff they've done isn't in the books.

What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.

However, I will say this: those who think Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is too dark and gritty need to check out the Second Apocalypse books by R Scott Bakker. They make Thrones look like a fairy tale.

i will agree that GoT is way to heavy on shock value at times but in terms of the whole margaery thing most people i know lost their virginity at 14. tommen is 15, one year away from minimum age and most kids break the rule, some times with people older than themselves. besides isn't margaery technically 17? besides tommen inniciated it and in the medival ages this sort of thing was common. even in the 1700s the lords of versailes broke the betrothal of 15 year old Louis XV to a 4 year old spanish princess so that he could marry a 22 year old polish princess and the boy was a bloody nyphomaniac. in the next ten years they had ten children and it eventually got to the point that the queen of france kept making up saint's days as an excuse to not let her husband into her bed

Margaery is in her 20s in the show while Tommen is underage. By Westerosi law, he cannot legally consummate the marriage.

in the medival ages nobody cared about the law if there was need for a royal heir. both men and women would often have to marry children of 12-13 simply to ensure alliances or the survival of the bloodline. remember that in the books joffrey was 14 at the time of his wedding and very eager to consumate it. if sansa had been married to a worse man than Tyrion she would have gotten pregnant at 12

Nobody cared about the law, says who? Marriages happened at young ages, yes, but if Margaery didn't sleep with Tommen in the books (since she showed zero interest in sex whatsoever), why would she sleep with him in the show? He's still legally a kid, and by both modern and Westerosi standards, sleeping with him would be both illegal and immoral.

Because in the book tommen is 8. as for the standards of the time the king would have to do some pretty extreme stuff before a significant ammount of people began to care. taking three sisters as lovers simoultaneously, being betrothed to infants for the sake of gaining land or just straight up executing wives they didn't like. the habsburgs were the most incestious family for centuries and still held major power and prestige. also considering how few eligible baratheon heirs are left in westeros most would forgive a king for marrying and having children even if he was a minor. also tommen may be young but he is not an imbicile. the relationship seemed pretty consentual on his part and margaery never explicitly forceed him to, told him to or even asked him to have intercourse with her