When will we see a NON-attractive woman in a video-game?

FireDr@gon

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I've been watching alot of videos and reading alot of forum posts on the escapist going on about female representation in video games and I have stumbled across a solution of sorts.

Why not include women in video games that aren't conventionally physically appealing but are not over-the-top gross or outlandish.

You see unattractive men all the time, you can't see the same for women.

If you want to represent anything fairly in a medium - show it in every light. For example (and this is another thing about video games) evil people do not have to be ugly nor do they have to be evil all the time, or REALLY evil, or powerful,intelligent or rich.

Women have varied roles in video games; from sex-symbols for some to lust over, protagonists like in metroid and support characters (i could go on but you get the point). So we can conclude that women have been represented fairly well up until now as far as professions go.

However I think the real leap forward could be made by simply having more (or any) average looking women and characters with real depth in video games.

I know that my points probably don't apply to EVERY game, and im sure people with more knowledge of this medium can name them.-( EDIT -posters, stop fixating on this!) But when both genders are consistently fairly represented we can all stop reading posts like this....


OP UPDATE:
In light of some comments;

* It was wrong to accuse games developers of being lazy and i have edited out that comment - i was trying to influence the consumers opinion as much as any potential developer.

* Most media has unrealistic standards of beauty, enforced by a selection process which is driven by cultural perceptions of beauty. This leads to people feeling bad about themselves because of how they look. I think this is wrong. I see and talk to hundreds of people each day and most of them are not confident about their self-image. It's written all over them, and belied by the way they behave. And worse, i even see people passing judgement upon other people because of how they look. It's unforgivable. It's time the media woke up to the fact that we don't need to see beautiful people to be entertained.

* By creating this thread I wanted to communicate a desire for games and gamers to attempt to lead the field in creating and demanding realistic characters to help improve the medium. I want to see people demanding to see realistic people in games so devs make them. This applies to stereotypes too - who says they have to look, act or be treated in a certain way because of their gender, proffession or sexuality?

I hope this clarifies my points somewhat...
 

skywolfblue

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I present:

Aveline


Wynne


There are quite a few women that aren't strictly sexy.

FireDr@gon said:
But when both genders are consistently fairly represented we can all stop reading posts like this....
Men aren't "fairly" represented either. Most games it's typical macho marine. So in that respect, they are kinda equally represented, as stereotypes.
 

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Dishonored has this.

Also, I don't think all games need multidimensional characters. Some games aren't character driven or even story driven. Stereotypes (of both men and women) are just fine.

What worries me more are games that have deep male characters but have only cardboard cutouts of female characters. Or even worse having no or few women when we should expect to see more.
 

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I have a feeling very few people were attracted to Eve....



At least I'd hope.
 

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Fappy said:
I have a feeling very few people were attracted to Eve....
Oooh. MILF. Amirite?

Uh...OT....that's a tough one. Aveline and Wynne were at the very least handsome women, if not traditional supermodels.

How about SHODAN? She was pretty veiny.
 

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Borderlands 2 Ellie says hi...



skywolfblue said:
I present: Aveline & Wynne
Are you implying that my two favourite female cahracters from the Dragon Age games are NOT attractive? I always wanted Wynne to be a romance option and was pissed when my attempts to romance Aveline in DA2 came to nothing. Also, while they're not supermodel hot, I'd hardly call them unattractive...
 

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What about Ellie from Borderlands 2?



Saying that, I've since learned that if you type "borderlands 2 ellie" into Google images, you'll immediately be presented with the suggestion of "borderlands 2 ellie rule 34". What is wrong with people?

Edit: ninja'd.
 

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WoW Killer said:
What about Ellie from Borderlands 2?



Saying that, I've since learned that if you type "borderlands 2 ellie" into Google images, you'll immediately be presented with the suggestion of "borderlands 2 ellie rule 34". What is wrong with people?

Edit: ninja'd.
A man isn't allowed like a larger woman?
 

WoW Killer

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TimeLord said:
A man isn't allowed like a larger woman?
Whatever floats your boat I guess... but the general absurdity of erotic pixelated images aside, I find that particular idea even more creepy than most.
 

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Jandau said:
skywolfblue said:
I present: Aveline & Wynne
Are you implying that my two favourite female cahracters from the Dragon Age games are NOT attractive? I always wanted Wynne to be a romance option and was pissed when my attempts to romance Aveline in DA2 came to nothing. Also, while they're not supermodel hot, I'd hardly call them unattractive...
From the Original Poster:

aren't conventionally physically appealing but are not over-the-top gross or outlandish.
Aveline and Wynne aren't "Ugly", yet they're not the typical brand of "Sexy" either. They're good characters, I'm posting them because I like them.
 

DazZ.

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Behold the stunning mediocrity that is Alyx Vance![br]


There are loads of non attractive females in games, maybe you should just have higher standards.
 

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Lilith from Borderlands looks like a heroin addicted skank. Ok, I'm reaching a little but she does.
 

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Jason Rayes said:
Oblivion and Skyrim (Unmodded) both feature some pretty hideous women.
This is especially true for Oblivion. I never understood how a team that could create such lovely landscapes could fail so badly at faces. Those people weren't hit with an ugly stick, more like the whole ugly tree.
 

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skywolfblue said:
Jandau said:
skywolfblue said:
I present: Aveline & Wynne
Are you implying that my two favourite female cahracters from the Dragon Age games are NOT attractive? I always wanted Wynne to be a romance option and was pissed when my attempts to romance Aveline in DA2 came to nothing. Also, while they're not supermodel hot, I'd hardly call them unattractive...
From the Original Poster:

aren't conventionally physically appealing but are not over-the-top gross or outlandish.
Aveline and Wynne aren't "Ugly", yet they're not the typical brand of "Sexy" either. They're good characters, I'm posting them because I like them.
And the reason you both like them is nothing to do with the 3D model used, its to do with the fact that they are well written characters. Looking just like they are but with writing and depth as thin as the pixels they are made from and you would likely not even recall their names. The models aren't attractive/sexy in the sense that the OP was speaking of, any affection a gamer feels toward them is imbued by the personality gifted to them by the writers. We believe in these characters and we like them, they become more than they appear.