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You've paid for the disk, or paid for the license to play it (if downloaded). If you pirated it you have just taken a file.
Pretty simple, not sure what you were expecting?
Pretty simple, not sure what you were expecting?
I actually wasn't concerned with the legal definitions, just what the purchased item would physically be. Are we buying the software or some vague, abstract, non-physical, platonic idea of a "right of ownership of an agreement."
In addition, which is the most ethical alternative between these, in your opinion.
In addition, which is the most ethical alternative between these, in your opinion.
Well, he sort of waited for that - you don't really own the entire disk unless specified - you buy a game, you get a game + whatever way it comes to you. You don't have absolute free reign over that disc or whatever (again, unless specified).daveman247 said:You've paid for the disk, or paid for the license to play it (if downloaded). If you pirated it you have just taken a file.
Pretty simple, not sure what you were expecting?
But yeah, Matthew94 has a point - read the EULA - it's a bit hard to generalise when there would always be exceptions.
Erm, my opinion doesn't matter. The legal definition is what you get. You get the software under whatever rules, licenses, restrictions, etc. come with it. Just like any other software in existence.Moth_Monk said:I actually wasn't concerned with the legal definitions, just what the purchased item would physically be. Are we buying the software or some vague, abstract, non-physical, platonic idea of a "right of ownership of an agreement."
In addition, which is the most ethical alternative between these, in your opinion.
Well the law might be wrong.DoPo said:Erm, my opinion doesn't matter. The legal definition is what you get. You get the software under whatever rules, licenses, restrictions, etc. come with it. Just like any other software in existence.Moth_Monk said:I actually wasn't concerned with the legal definitions, just what the purchased item would physically be. Are we buying the software or some vague, abstract, non-physical, platonic idea of a "right of ownership of an agreement."
In addition, which is the most ethical alternative between these, in your opinion.
You should be getting a full copy of the game with the right to do with it whichever you want with it, including copy and modify the data. The only limitation being no distribution it to others, unless it's to one person and you delete all full or partly copies you have at the time of transfer.
Any less I consider anti consumer and should be made illegal.
Any less I consider anti consumer and should be made illegal.
Well, yeah its copyrighted etc so you can't legally make copies of it but at the moment we still own it/ can let people borrow/ sell it on. Its not like they can come and take the disc away from you like they can with downloaded gamesDoPo said:
Yes, however, there is one big issue with this - people claiming they've paid for all of what is on the disk, hence on disk DLC magically being theirs, as well. Which it isn't, because of they don't get ultimate ownership of all the data. It's not like being sold a basket of goods, after all - it's software, computer stuff that doesn't map exactly to the rules of the world people used until a relatively short time ago. That's why people don't really "own" the disk as such, and that is a bit inaccurate way to phrase it.daveman247 said:Well, yeah its copyrighted etc so you can't legally make copies of it but at the moment we still own it/ can let people borrow/ sell it on. Its not like they can come and take the disc away from you like they can with downloaded gamesDoPo said:
Or, hopefully, in a slightly less confusing way to phrase it - you do own the disk but not the data contained on it. Hence buying a game that has on disk DLC doesn't mean you should get the DLC, as well.
Whether the DLC was "cut" or not is another issue entirely. But legally and logically (as far as software goes) - you pay for a game, you get a game, not "game + whatever else is around it".
I'm with you. Anything outside of this very simple definition is unimportant and unnecessary.Ljs1121 said:I've bought/pirated a game.
Do I win?
You buy the game and receive a copy of the software under that title.
You're not allowed to make a copy and give it to someone, use data in the software as your own, or resell it illegally. Anything else is fine.
You're not allowed to make a copy and give it to someone, use data in the software as your own, or resell it illegally. Anything else is fine.
The real trick is that a pirated game is exactly the same as a DD game, except the price. There are exceptions to every rule but most of the exceptions lean towards the pirate getting the better version.
So, ignoring the exceptions, a digital game = digital game. Do you feel like a fool paying for it? I don't, for now, but I do think that it will become very much like music did during the Napster era. People realized that it was both cheaper and easier to get music free. iTunes has helped music because it is easier and the cost of a song is low.
I guess I am saying: If you get people used to downloading games but don't give them ownership of said games, the transition to piracy is a small step. I imagine that may be why some companies, like Disney, don't participate in Digital Distribution.
So, ignoring the exceptions, a digital game = digital game. Do you feel like a fool paying for it? I don't, for now, but I do think that it will become very much like music did during the Napster era. People realized that it was both cheaper and easier to get music free. iTunes has helped music because it is easier and the cost of a song is low.
I guess I am saying: If you get people used to downloading games but don't give them ownership of said games, the transition to piracy is a small step. I imagine that may be why some companies, like Disney, don't participate in Digital Distribution.
hmmm, i think i get itDoPo said:
I think DLC would come under licensing as well, because it is a download (whether its on the disk or not no one can tell)The default game, i think can be considered "owned". Unless it is dependant on being online. This was much simpler on last gen consoles D: You paid for what you got, and that was all of it. Bar a few map packs on the xbox.
Lawd i hope we stay on discs mostly...
It use to be you bought one copy of the game I can do whatever I want to except make more copies and sell them (or other things outside the general law). Now if you buy from DD you just buy a license that allows you to play the game but you can't edit it.
When you pirate you illegally download a copy of the game.
When you pirate you illegally download a copy of the game.
