Well, to each their own, I love somewhat every gerne of metal but I can't bare hardcore and rap, of which I think its just random noise.
Ah, that's just classical conservatory types. They don't even consider Jazz composers to be "serious" composers. Which is a viewpoint I have absolute contempt for. Jazz is every bit as complex and artistically viable as anything from the Classical realm. Don't get me wrong, you can learn a lot from these guys, but take it all with a grain of salt.Tragedy said:It IS elitist hogwash, but the OP specifically asked where we draw the line and in theory that is the line. I study composition at the local conservatory and, like all hardened old musicians, the professors are really conservative. About John Cage's famous (or infamous, depends on who you ask) composition - the idea behind it is to listen to the ambient sound of the surroundings. I'm neutral towards it because I don't know what I can say. It sets out to do something and it succeeds, so I suppose that's a triumph ;dbluepotatosack said:I have a BA in music performance, and personally I think that's a bit of elitist hogwash. Music is simply artistic expression by way of a combination of rhythm, melody, harmony, and silence. Not all components need be present, however.
And now I'm curious, how do you feel about something like John Cage's 4'33"?
All real instruments produce broad spectrum sound. That is, you get all frequencies from any real instrument but some frequencies are much louder than others. No real instrument can produce a pure tone. Therefore, your definition means that all actual, played music is not really music.Tragedy said:Well, music is clearly defined in musical theory as composed of the musical notes. If you hit a desk with your hand that's not a musical note, it's some random noise. All musical notes have a set frequency they resonate on, everything outside of this is considered noise in the eyes of musical theory.
This is the only reasonable answer. What makes something art is the intent of the creator. Here's Google's definition of art:shadebreeze said:So, as far as I know, the only "line" that is technically drawn between music and noise is whether the sequence of sounds was produced or defined by humans with some specific intent.
Nah, they aren't THAT bad. Even the requirements to enter the conservatory is to play at least 1 piece from a composer of our country and most of them use folklore. We also have a Jazz and Pop department. Only the really experimental stuff gets them riled up.bluepotatosack said:Ah, that's just classical conservatory types. They don't even consider Jazz composers to be "serious" composers. Which is a viewpoint I have absolute contempt for. Jazz is every bit as complex and artistically viable as anything from the Classical realm. Don't get me wrong, you can learn a lot from these guys, but take it all with a grain of salt.
Many of the great European composers lifted melodies straight from their respective nations folk music, but the guys that teach in these conservatories seem to have no respect for their own nations homegrown music. I don't get it. Um, this might be mostly an American phenomenon though.
Sorry if this is coming off a bit harsh, these conservatory teachers rile me up a bit.
Froggy Slayer said:I've recently become aware of a 'band' called Stalaggh that purportedly record insane people screaming at each other to make their 'music'. However, I must ask at what point it stops being music and starts being noise.
No, I'm not providing a link, it's easy enough to find their music yourself on youtube. Be forewarned, however; it's pretty...harsh stuff, to say the least.
Alright, that's pretty cool. I just have a friend who's going for his masters in composition, and one of his assignments was to analyze a Jazz composition and compare it to what "serious" composers had done. The language they used was just a bit insulting. It's good to hear that your professors are a bit more open minded than that.Tragedy said:Nah, they aren't THAT bad. Even the requirements to enter the conservatory is to play at least 1 piece from a composer of our country and most of them use folklore. We also have a Jazz and Pop department. Only the really experimental stuff gets them riled up.
The thing is, I can kind of see why that would be seen as music. It has a very strong rhythm to it, even if there is little melody to it. Saying that it isn't music would be similar to saying that a marching snare drum solo isn't music.Loop Stricken said:I consider this to be music but many people disagree.
So I can only assume it's entirely subjective.
Well, not quite.. but you can get close.FalloutJack said:People don't rock out to actual random noise.