Which developers are better without publishers?

[yuval152]

DICE,Bioware,IW,Treyarch.(imo)

what developers are better without their current publishers?

 

[neonsword13-ops]

So what developers you think is better off their publishers?

You grammar son, bad. I can't decipher it. Please make some edits.

 

[yuval152]

So what developers you think is better off their publishers?

You grammar son, bad. I can't decipher it. Please make some edits.

Google translate says it's okay.

 

[Tanakh]

Google translate says it's okay.

It's not, but being the mind reader that I am what you meant was:

"Which developers do you think are better off without their publishers?"

 

[neonsword13-ops]

So what developers you think is better off their publishers?

You grammar son, bad. I can't decipher it. Please make some edits.

Google translate sees it as okay.

Well, it's okay now. Good Job. ^-^

OKAY! I will have to say Bioware. I bet they could make the perfect game if they were not held under time constraints and budget issues. (Also not being told to change anything by the Big-Budget Publisher is nice too.)

 

[Mr. Omega]

*Ahem* Rare? Please go back to Nintendo. You two were so good together in the SNES and N64 days...

 

[Tanakh]

I wouldn't go Bioware, the last game i liked and thought it had heart from them was made 11 years ago, good old MDK2. Still play their games, and for me they have improved a lot since SW:KotR (cant stand that one).


Honestly i can't think of a dev that would be better without their publisher.

 

[ReaperGrimm]

DICE, IW, id, Bioware, maybe even Treyarch who knows without Activision having them rush the next COD out they could probably make a really good game.(or a shit story mode and epic zombies)

 

[HassEsser]

I'm just going to respond to the thread's title:

All of them (quality-wise)

 

[random_bars]

Every developer is better without publishers, but for most they're a necessary evil, sacrificing control, quality of game and profit in exchange for not going bankrupt the instant one of their games doesn't sell.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Ughhh. Poor Bioware. Atari was a bad influence, but one they at least had the strength to stand up to. Since they were acquired by EA they've completely gone to crap.

Is that why their first game with EA is considered easily the best they've ever done?

IMO, the best game Bioware has done to date is Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.
Strong characters; better variant gameplay than anything they've done since. Solid story... Just old ass graphics.

The Mass Effect series is pretty good for most of those (especially characters), but the gameplay is extremely one-dimensional; you basically play Whack-a-mole with your chest-high walls and cover.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Wow only the first few posts and we already have a flamewar brewing.

OT: All of them, because accountants don't know shit about making games, they know alot about making money, but not about making games.
If only developers could find an alternate revenue source like Valve and Blizzard.

 

[Veldel]

Ughhh. Poor Bioware. Atari was a bad influence, but one they at least had the strength to stand up to. Since they were acquired by EA they've completely gone to crap.

Is that why their first game with EA is considered easily the best they've ever done?

I hope you're not talking about DAO or ME. DAO and ME were already in the pipe when EA bought Bioware.

DAL and ME2 and ME3 are sequels to games that Bio developed without significant EA influence, but even they are fraying at the edge. Especially DAL. It feels like the division team leaders are all EA accountants. Each generation has been a little more dumbed down than the last. Bio is clearly moving toward the EA model of catering to console tards and that's just not where I'm going. I'm a dedicated PC gamer precisely because I don't like the control limitations offered by consoles.

Beyond that...

Support is now handed by EA. EA support SUCKS. I never did get any of my DAO DLC working, and the support people were morons. They just kept sending me the same support links over and over again (links which I had already found on my own without their help).

Nah. Bioware is dead. It's just another once great dev that's been assimilated by the evil collective that is EA. I'll always play NWN, and I'll always remember them fondly for what they once were, but they're EA now and I don't buy EA games. If you wanna stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA" for a few more years more power to you, but I'm out.

I meant Mass Effect 2. You know, that game that is considered hugely superior to the first Mass Effect by every single critic with a brain.

Really? I got bored with it.

What are you, narcoleptic or something? How do you get bored of Mass Effect 2?

Dumbed down skills?, Boring gameplay?, Shitty endgame boss?,STUPID PROBING?,The story is decent but gameplay is what maters

 

[Garret866]

Hmm i think Bungie would have been much better off without Microsoft buying them.. if anyone can remember the game "ONI" by bungie they will know what im talking about, now halo is just milking the franchise thanks to Microsoft corporate encouragement..

also off topic: mass effect 2 "STUPID probing"?? i enjoyed probing Uranus countless times and i didn't get bored at all

 

[Atmos Duality]

Well, no offence man, but the critics heavily disagree with you

The critics are every bit as wrong as I am. Opinions are worthless.
Then again, I'm also of the opinion that most critics today are corporate yes-men who are too easily swayed by flashy graphics.

 

[random_bars]

Every developer is better without publishers, but for most they're a necessary evil, sacrificing control, quality of game and profit in exchange for not going bankrupt the instant one of their games doesn't sell.

So therefore they aren't better off without publishers are they?

If they have the money to survive a flop or two then yes, they are.

 

[aaronobst]

*Ahem* Rare? Please go back to Nintendo. You two were so good together in the SNES and N64 days...

Every single product they made in their pre-microsoft days I enjoyed

Not too sure how they'd fare with the whole motion control bollocks Nintendo has latched onto though

 

[GeorgW]

Um... all of them.
Seriously, there are extremely few times where publishers doesn't destroy creativity.
But the worst ones are DICE and Bioware. Oh, and Pandemic... Fuck EA.

 

[random_bars]

Every developer is better without publishers, but for most they're a necessary evil, sacrificing control, quality of game and profit in exchange for not going bankrupt the instant one of their games doesn't sell.

So therefore they aren't better off without publishers are they?

If they have the money to survive a flop or two then yes, they are.

Then they're self published and they are a publisher.

Oh come on, that is completely abitrary semantics and you know it. Alright then, if you insist on calling it that, developers who are their own publishers are better off than developers who rely on external publishers. But they're both still better off than developers without publishers because that would mean the developers are making the game entirely for themselves and are not publishing it for anyone else to play, meaning they would get no money at all from their games and would instantly go bankrupt after the first one.