I never get angry at those slurs. I even wonder about how out of all the slurs out there whites only get craka and honky? They dont seem very offensive at all. Hell, my pet name used to be saltine cracker and ex was gram cracker.
White People! Are you offended being called a "Cracka"?
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There are racial slurs for whites?
Seriously though I only found out after thrift shop by macklemore that honky was a racist term for white people.
What makes me laugh is how EVERY music channel/radio station will happy play that word but bleep out cock
If it is the equivalent of ****** or any other racial slur surely it should have the hell bleeped out of it?
BTW none of the words used are meant to cause offence.
At the end of the day I don't think any word is racist per se, but it is the intent with which a word is used that should be the thing causing offence if anything.
Seriously though I only found out after thrift shop by macklemore that honky was a racist term for white people.
What makes me laugh is how EVERY music channel/radio station will happy play that word but bleep out cock
If it is the equivalent of ****** or any other racial slur surely it should have the hell bleeped out of it?
BTW none of the words used are meant to cause offence.
At the end of the day I don't think any word is racist per se, but it is the intent with which a word is used that should be the thing causing offence if anything.
Why not?Lilani said:
I mean, I know why you'll say it isn't, and it wouldn't make a difference to me if she were changed to an Asian man or if it were a completely different add depicting a white guy in khakis having a blast listening to Taylor Swift and playing crochet (actually, that middle part offends me to my core, but that's Taylor Swift's fault, not race relations.) I mean, the more you're offended by a stereotype, the more power it has to offend. Why does nobody care about watermelon jokes? Because they're blatantly stupid and don't actually mean anything serious. Heck, people from all colours of the rainbow love watermelon. Watermelon is fucking awesome.
Point is, it's just a joke. Nobody's getting hurt, and it's not going to get people to rush out and change the laws to be regressive about womens' driving rights. To assert that it would do so would be ridiculous and require evidence. It's an ad, it's meant to catch people's attention and turn heads. It generates a buzz. You'd be a lot happier if you just learned to accept these things, and fought real issues as they came, like (assuming that you're American) the fact that your government is systematically removing your rights regardless of race or sex.
And to add to the thread, no. The word cracker does not offend me. I kind of agree with TC in a twisted sort of way though... We need catchier, more hurtful racial slurs for white people. Something on the level of "beaner" or "spear-chucker", that just succeeds on a really simplistic pop-culture view point.
Maybe something about how we can't play basket ball...?
I wouldn't be offended by it at all, but I'd then make the assumption that the person using it is an ignorant, racist, mouth-breathing bastard and react accordingly by divesting myself of their company with the utmost haste.SaneAmongInsane said:
Not really, I refer to other white people as "honkey" all the time for shits and giggles, and no one gives a shit because this isn't the 60s.
For god's sake, I mean as a whole. An entire people. Yes, some white people have been oppressed. No, white people as an entire whole have never been oppressed. There is a difference.CityofTreez said:
From a logical perspective, I probably should, as it is a racial slur intended to offend me personally based on race.
But really? No.
Not sure why. I'm just not offended.
But really? No.
Not sure why. I'm just not offended.
Nah dude I don't really care what people call me. I mean yeah I guess it's a slur, but people have called me much, much worse. For anyone wondering the origin, it's contested. it basically refers to an older English word meaning loud sound which in turn was used to insult the scotch-irish community, or slave drivers in pre-rebellion America. Personally I always thought the two just developed separately, but there's evidence of use before the "Georgia cracker" term, so if nothing else it could be an adaptation.
I love linguistics. Honestly so many slurs have fallen into common speech and nobody notices anymore. Hooligan used to be a slur directed at irish people. So was paddy, carrot top, the term shanties is derived from shant, which was another. Some sources say clowns are based on irish stereotypes(patchwork clothes, red nose from drinking, red hair, really pale with bright red cheeks) but I don't know about that. Gypped comes from gypsies who always screwed you over, even cotton picking used to be an pejorative for black people. Once you start looking into it you find all kinds of words that used to be extremely hateful that people have all but forgotten. Makes me wonder what won't be offensive a hundred years from now.
I love linguistics. Honestly so many slurs have fallen into common speech and nobody notices anymore. Hooligan used to be a slur directed at irish people. So was paddy, carrot top, the term shanties is derived from shant, which was another. Some sources say clowns are based on irish stereotypes(patchwork clothes, red nose from drinking, red hair, really pale with bright red cheeks) but I don't know about that. Gypped comes from gypsies who always screwed you over, even cotton picking used to be an pejorative for black people. Once you start looking into it you find all kinds of words that used to be extremely hateful that people have all but forgotten. Makes me wonder what won't be offensive a hundred years from now.
I got more offended once whens omeone called me a dago than when someone called me a cracker. But once someone uses it I sling a racial slur and see how long it takes them to get pissed and say I cant say that before i tell them thats what they did to me. and it usually it ends in the vairant of "you're white, so its oka to do that"
Yes, but mostly because it's kind of bland. (Fitting, am I right?)
I mean, if there was some historical/social context to it, I'd understand. If white people were a minority where I live, I'd understand. But since both of those possibilities come up short, it just seems...lazy, I guess.
I mean, it's my skin pigment. It's purely aesthetic. If I was used to being judged by it, it might mean something to me, but since I mostly just view it as an efficient way to keep out the sun and hold my blood in, I'd rather be hated for more personal traits. My religion, or lack thereof. My economic standing. My political beliefs. My morals. I don't want to be hated because I'm white--I want to be hated because I'm /me./
I mean, if there was some historical/social context to it, I'd understand. If white people were a minority where I live, I'd understand. But since both of those possibilities come up short, it just seems...lazy, I guess.
I mean, it's my skin pigment. It's purely aesthetic. If I was used to being judged by it, it might mean something to me, but since I mostly just view it as an efficient way to keep out the sun and hold my blood in, I'd rather be hated for more personal traits. My religion, or lack thereof. My economic standing. My political beliefs. My morals. I don't want to be hated because I'm white--I want to be hated because I'm /me./
You're wrong, it happens today in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Depending on who you would classify as "white" it has happened plenty of times throughout history.BathorysGraveland2 said:
Can you give one example of a people that has "been oppressed as whole". I can see this discussion falling into an argument about what is "race", there is no clear definition of that.BathorysGraveland2 said:
NOPE I think its silly to let mere words offend you especially when the context isnt directed at you or intended to offendSaneAmongInsane said:
its the "whos been oppressed more as a whole" arguement. I really dont think debating who had it worse back in the day is really productive at all. At the end of the day people just get to say: yep these_____people had it worse lets feel bad about that.Keepitclean said:
Well, obviously it's a racial slur. I would personally find it rather amusing, however, for I'm not insulted by racist insults. I've never even been directly insulted with racial slurs, but I would oddly find it cool to be so some day. Being caucasian, I find it utterly impossible to feel suppressed, hated, or personally diminished by an insult towards my race.
Couldn't have said it better myself. These words have power in a historical context. Trying to align them all in some sort of "racism spreadsheet", while a natural inclination, is ultimately misguided.Lilani said:
I see this a lot in arguments on the internet. Sometimes a person craves logical consistency to a point that ignores context. Fact is sometimes historical context calls for deference above and beyond logical consistency. Cracker doesn't hurt me because, generally speaking, no one has ever used the word to hurt anyone.
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Not really. At least in America, there's never really been any stigma or connotation attached to it, so it just seems kind of forced. It just feels like someone had to come up with a derogatory term for white people and they settled for "cracker."
Also, Crackers are f*cking delicious.
Also, Crackers are f*cking delicious.
Not at all. I've never heard it used maliciously towards me or anyone else, and even if I magically did some day I would probably laugh because it's just...silly sounding.
The only time I've been really offended or felt targeted because of my race was when I was told that "my country" sucked and I wouldn't understand why it sucked because I was white... (it didn't make any sense to me either) despite the fact that I'm actually mixed race and from a family that immigrated to Canada.
I didn't hold it against him. though since I figured he was just homesick and I've heard that a lot of Koreans get sent over here against their will by their parents to learn English. ):
The only time I've been really offended or felt targeted because of my race was when I was told that "my country" sucked and I wouldn't understand why it sucked because I was white... (it didn't make any sense to me either) despite the fact that I'm actually mixed race and from a family that immigrated to Canada.
I didn't hold it against him. though since I figured he was just homesick and I've heard that a lot of Koreans get sent over here against their will by their parents to learn English. ):