Who are the best Anti Heroes in gaming?

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

CJ is definitely a hero

CJ buried a construction worker alive for saying shit to his sister. People tend to forget that.

how does Ezio fit the mould?

He doesn't. I love Ezio, but he's just one step away from being a Disney hero.

Exaclty. Ezio is just another Hero.

Edward kenway is anti hero and also best AC protagonist.

 

[jademunky]

2B from Nier: Automata

Because...... spoilers?

 

[Squilookle]

I'd say Claude is a pretty straight up anti-hero because he just wants violent revenge on his double crossing criminal girlfriend.

Yeah, but he doesn't really do anything heroic either.

I'd loosely define an anti-hero as "someone who does the right thing for the wrong (or selfish) reasons, or is generally apathetic about a situation of injstustice, but will fix it either by chance or through self-interest. Claude is just a thug. He doesn't improve things for anyone. He gets rich, he gets revenge, the end.

He dismantles multiple criminal organisations across the whole city as he goes along. I realise GTA 3 is far from a Shakespearean epic, but Claude leaves Liberty City a lot better than it was when he found it- even if he didn't do any of it for altruistic reasons...

 

[WindKnight]

But that aside, the Doom Slayer, at least in the context of Doom 2016, counts as an anti-hero for me. He just wants to kill demons, and he doesn't really care about anything else. He certainly doesn't care that he's causing a power crisis on Earth by not properly decoupling the Argent links, and there's not really anything to suggest that he cares about humanity at this point. He just wants to kill demons, and aside from saving the AI character, doesn't care about anything else.

That's up for interpretation. he seems angriest when Hayden is trying to JUSTIFY what happened (such as when he pointedly looks at a mangled corpse as Hayden is saying 'he had the best intentions for humanity'). If you strip away the euphemism, Argent energy is Hell Energy, sucked strain from the place of pure evil, the damned and eternal torment.

'Hell is not a toy', and it's entirely possible it guarantees bringing about hell on earth just by using it, and the backstory implies the doom slayer has a lot of experience of cleaning up messes caused by people thinking they could handle stuff they REALLY shouldn't be messing with. It's entirely possible the consequences of using 'argent energy' in any way or form are far worse than the energy crisis.

 

[Dalisclock]

Kratos. I mean, right? Kratos is so much fun to be, but good guy he is not.

Kratos isn't an anti-hero, he's a villian protagonist.

Granted, the rest of the Olympians aren't really any better.

GOW:
Athena: Gee, a psychotic, suicidal, rage-fueled murder machine just killed Ares. Let's make him the new God of War!
Kratos: But I'd rather just die.
Athena: Nope, you're the god of war now. Deal with it.

GOW2
Athena: Why are you causing so much war and killing everything?
Kratos: You made me the God of War. What did you expect?

Basically, Olympus(Athena and Zeus in particular) set set themselves up for this. Unfortunately, everyone else had to suffer in the process.

 

[Dalisclock]

But that aside, the Doom Slayer, at least in the context of Doom 2016, counts as an anti-hero for me. He just wants to kill demons, and he doesn't really care about anything else. He certainly doesn't care that he's causing a power crisis on Earth by not properly decoupling the Argent links, and there's not really anything to suggest that he cares about humanity at this point. He just wants to kill demons, and aside from saving the AI character, doesn't care about anything else.

That's up for interpretation. he seems angriest when Hayden is trying to JUSTIFY what happened (such as when he pointedly looks at a mangled corpse as Hayden is saying 'he had the best intentions for humanity'). If you strip away the euphemism, Argent energy is Hell Energy, sucked strain from the place of pure evil, the damned and eternal torment.

'Hell is not a toy', and it's entirely possible it guarantees bringing about hell on earth just by using it, and the backstory implies the doom slayer has a lot of experience of cleaning up messes caused by people thinking they could handle stuff they REALLY shouldn't be messing with. It's entirely possible the consequences of using 'argent energy' in any way or form are far worse than the energy crisis.

Granted, the energy crisis is a result of humanity always trying to take the easy way out and pick the dirtiest and cheapest source of energy instead of fixing it's shit as far as energy consumption and generation. It's almost as if Hell energy it's a giant, painfully obvious metaphor for fossil fuels and pollution.

 

[Dalisclock]

CJ is definitely a hero

CJ buried a construction worker alive for saying shit to his sister. People tend to forget that.

how does Ezio fit the mould?

He doesn't. I love Ezio, but he's just one step away from being a Disney hero.

Eh, Ezio did plenty of SKeevy things, especially in AC Revelations. Notably, he set fire to half of Constipoles harbor trying to escape the city, set fire to an underground city where thousands of people lived(but it's okay, you see like a dozen outside afterwards) and provoked a riot at a military arsenal so he could get inside.

Plenty of innocents were hurt and killed by his actions and Ezio really didn't seem to care. That's not even counting how often Ezio would beat people up in side missions just because he felt like it.

Then again, the Assassins seem to define innocent as "People not directly in my way at the moment", based on the series at large.

Edward has the excuse at least of being a Pirate first, mostly not giving a shit about anyone but himself and helping the assassins mostly when their goals and his happened to align.

 

[McElroy]

CJ is a straight-up hero.

He steals a bike within 10 seconds of setting foot in the streets of Los Santos.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

SNIP

Is Sly Cooper really an anti-hero? He's a time traveling thief, sure, but he specifically travels time and robs from other thieves and super villains, saving the world multiple times.
Its like that new Carmen Sandiego show where she's been re-imagined as Batman. Its just going so hard into 'they're a nice person' that 'anti-hero' doesn't fit anymore.
Sly is just a classic hero.

An anti-hero doesn't necessarily need to be an asshole. They can also be someone who achieves otherwise moral ends in ways that are not themselves moral, like stealing. Sly counts as an anti-hero for the same reason Robin Hood does.

But isn't Robin Hood just a classic hero? Yeah he robs from the rich, but the rich are evil and corrupt and levied extra taxes in excess of the King's sum, so he's actually 'stealing' back the gold the rich stole from the poor.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

But isn't Robin Hood just a classic hero? Yeah he robs from the rich, but the rich are evil and corrupt and levied extra taxes in excess of the King's sum, so he's actually 'stealing' back the gold the rich stole from the poor.

In his modern incarnations? Yes. In the actual medieval stories? It depends.

In many of the earliest ones he's a rather arrogant and violent thug, who's solely interested in getting back at the local nobles over a grievance and shows little regard for the small folk (in one story he casually kills a page for being in his way during a prison escape). The Sheriff of Nottingham is the antagonist, not because he's evil and corrupt, but because it's his job to deal with outlaws.

All that stuff about taking from the rich and giving to the poor, fighting against the corruption of the evil nobility, being a partisan for Richard Lionheart against the misrule of Prince John, threating his Merry Men as equals, Maid Marian and a bunch of other things commonly associated with him didn't become a regular part of the legend until the late medieval to early modern period.

 

[Xprimentyl]

Alex Mercer of Prototype and every GTA's "protagonist." Those games are made to let players roleplay as a murderous psychopath.

GTA protagonist are not anti heroes. they are flat out bad guys.

Anti Heroes are good guys but lack heroic qualities.

I?ll disagree. Antiheroes are simply main or central characters that, through action and/or trait, defy traditional hero/good guy tropes. As the player-controlled characters, the GTA ?protagonists?? goals are, for good or ill, the player?s goals. They are the ?heroes? of those tales despite their goals breaking every ethical and moral law in the book, almost like someone who is, oh, I dunno, against or has little regard for actions or traits that are traditionally accepted as noble and valorous? What?s the word for such a character?...

They are the protagonists of the GTA games- that doesn't make them heroes or anti-heroes automatically. I'd say Claude is a pretty straight up anti-hero because he just wants violent revenge on his double crossing criminal girlfriend. Tommy Vercetti is a straight up psychopathic villain, CJ is definitely a hero, and the rest I couldn't be bothered with.

I'd hesitate to call Tommy Angelo an anti hero either- like CJ he's a good man fallen into a life of crime that he'd rather avoid. He does things that the law would quite rightly want to see him do time for, but he never abandons his morals. I'd say Tommy, like CJ is a straight-up hero.

Maybe it?s semantics, but I consider ?hero? and ?protagonist? to be interchangeable terms insofar as the context of a fictional story. There?s [generally] a single person or group whose interests or goals are the primary focus of the story, and the degree to which those goals or interests are upright, ethical and moral defines the nobility or ignobility of the protagonist(s), or whether they are a ?hero,? ?antihero? or ?villain.?

But by your definitions of the terms, if mine does not apply to all GTA protagonists, If Vercetti is ?a straight up psychopathic villain,? who is the ?hero? of GTV Vice City? CJ is loyal to a fault, but heads up an illegal gang and through overt violence takes criminal control of the entirety of San Andreas; that doesn?t sound like ?a good man falling into a life of crime he?d rather avoid.? Nico of GTA IV has a typical, quasi-noble revenge plot, but falls easily and willingly into a life of crime to meet his ends. The trinity of GTA V are each characterized as ?good guys,? they just have no qualms doing ?bad things? (in Trevor?s case ?absolutely ABHORRENT things?) to serve their immediate purposes, but none of them are overtly hand-wringing, baby-shaking ?villains? against honor and decency for its own sake.

Also, most times, the GTA games show proper authorities like the police, FBI, military, etc. in a cynically seedy, immoral and crooked light making the protagonists, though criminal to their core, as fighters against the corrupted systems of control which lends them an implied righteous purpose. I?d argue that the worst thing the characters ever do are the things the player makes them do between character-defining cinematics and missions, i.e.: it?s cognitively dissonant to imagine Franklin (the character) standing on a corner gunning down civilians and police hoping to affect military countermeasures just because, no; the player does that; the player?s the villain.

 

[Asita]

I mean if you're going to look to Assassin's Creed, the best examples are probably not any of the protagonists, but the supporting characters. And before anyone says those don't count, do recall that the question is about Anti-Heroes in gaming, not playable Anti-Heroes specifically.

And for that, I'd say Blackbeard is a solid contender. Let's check this off, shall we? Warm, charismatic, and positively disgusted by the corruption in the British Government. Turns to a life of crime as a pirate, which naturally entailed a lot of waylaying innocent sailors and stealing anything of value from their ships. Plays up his image as a near demonic pirate to inspire fear...so that he won't actually have to use violence against his enemies. Strong sense of responsibility for the island of Nassau. Accepts a pardon for his piracy...and then continues to pirate to secure more funds for his retirement. The way he straddles good and bad is perhaps best shown late in the story where he takes hostages in a British Colony for the sake of securing some much-needed medicine for the island nation he'd helped to found.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

Garrett from Thief. I have sentiment for him, his VA and entire series.

JC isn't an Anti hero though. He's a straight up Paragon. The others in the program that made him all has apostolic names (Paul, etc) so JC is basically short for jesus christ.

I'd be hesitant to call Max Payne an anti-hero too. Atleast his non-Rockstar iterations. Yes, he murders armed goons by hundreds, but so do many classical video game heroes.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Caleb from Blood. True, he does single handedly exterminate an armed cult worshipping a demon god, and also busts a cap in said demon god effectively saving the world, but it doesn't change that he's an ammoral, homicidal gunfighter who did it all out of pure anger.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

But isn't Robin Hood just a classic hero? Yeah he robs from the rich, but the rich are evil and corrupt and levied extra taxes in excess of the King's sum, so he's actually 'stealing' back the gold the rich stole from the poor.

In his modern incarnations? Yes. In the actual medieval stories? It depends.

In many of the earliest ones he's a rather arrogant and violent thug, who's solely interested in getting back at the local nobles over a grievance and shows little regard for the small folk (in one story he casually kills a page for being in his way during a prison escape). The Sheriff of Nottingham is the antagonist, not because he's evil and corrupt, but because it's his job to deal with outlaws.

All that stuff about taking from the rich and giving to the poor, fighting against the corruption of the evil nobility, being a partisan for Richard Lionheart against the misrule of Prince John, threating his Merry Men as equals, Maid Marian and a bunch of other things commonly associated with him didn't become a regular part of the legend until the late medieval to early modern period.

But if we're talking Sly Cooper, he's a modern robin hood so wouldn't just vanilla hero fit him better? Sly doesn't have a morally grey early mythology

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

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The Demi-Fiend, Hitoshura, or whatever you want to name him. Though a silent protagonist in his own game, his cameos reveal someone who has had to embrace his Fiend side and become as vicious as any other demon in order to survive (and has apparently rid himself of any false modesty about his power if DDS is any sign). Also telling is that even in his own game, the 'best' ending demands the betrayal and murder of his friends along with God, and there is no purely 'good' ending.

One of the few fanfictions I've read that I wish hadn't been discontinued is a novelization of Nocturne where he starts out pious, wimpy and scared of everything around him, but very gradually accepting his fate and growing more badass over time.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

Weighing in on the Kratos thing, I'd say in the first game he's an anti-hero. He's seeking a form of justice against Ares, who has indeed wronged him, and doesn't really care how he gets that justice. Trying to do the right thing (end the reign of terror of a corrupt god) but often with questionable methods (butchering everyone in his path). Classic anti-hero material. In the later games though he lashing out at just about anyone, regardless of what wrongs they may have done and for any perceived slight. He goes from anti-hero to villain protagonist. Its only the Norse themed one that tries to bring him back from that

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

citizen snips

But if we're talking Sly Cooper, he's a modern robin hood so wouldn't just vanilla hero fit him better? Sly doesn't have a morally grey early mythology

You're probably right. It's been something like 15 years since I've played Sly Cooper, so I'm probably misremembering things.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Chloe from Uncharted: Lost legacy is a much more appealing anti-hero than Drake Nathan Drake. I'm not placing it entirely on her precision use of the word "bollocks" ...but it certainly helps. Raspy voices!

 

[Casual Shinji]

Chloe from Uncharted: Lost legacy is a much more appealing anti-hero than Drake Nathan Drake. I'm not placing it entirely on her precise use of the word "bollocks" ...but it certainly helps. Raspy voices!

I'd agree with that when it comes to the early stages of the game, where she's at her best. She casually notes a ruthless rebel leader being hansome, and tries to include herself in the conversation between Nadine and Asav when she feels like she's being left out. She knows she's a crook and she doesn't try to sugar-coat it like Drake does. However, near the end she gets all noble and the game pretty much turns her into Nathan Drake, which is a shame. Also the whole daddy issue backstory was totally unnecessary.