Who buys shooters for single player?

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TKretts3

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My two main reasons for disliking First Person Shooters that seem to have not payed too much attention to their campaign is for two reasons.

1) If you're going to have a game with multiplayer and an awful campaign mode, then why include and promote the campaign mode. In most of the First Person Shooter commercials and teasers I really only see clips from their Single Player campaign, saying how good it is, giving a preview of the story. When I see something like that, it makes it seem like actual effort went into the game, but when I actually play it, it has a horrible plot, bad characters, and just in full a bad experience.

2) If they're only selling a multiplayer game, then why do they charge $60-$70? Seriously, multiplayer through a game series doesn't really change too much from game to game. all that really changes are guns (Or in some cases gun-skins), maps, and technical things. You're really just paying for the same experience again, and again. The sensible thing would be to have some sort of DLC.

That actually brings me to another point; They essentially just release a new multiplayer mode every year or so. That means that in a year, the game you payed $60-$70 will be essentially useless because everyone will have moved on to the next one, and all you're stuck with is a crappy campaign mode.
 

Bat Vader

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I plan on buying Battlefield 3 for the single player and have no intention of playing multiplayer. I believe that if the developers want to make a multiplayer focused game than they should not add a single player mode to it. The same applies to a single player focused game as well.
 

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Me. I buy them for single player. Admittedly, I don't buy many shooters. I don't like multiplayer. I don't have particularly high standards for shooter single player, I just expect the gameplay to be competent, interesting and entertaining.
 

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I actually do get games like CoD just for the single player campaigns. I get them way after they come out for not much money since the campaigns are pretty short, but I still think they're fun (basically no where in town to rent games anymore). I should probably try the multiplayer.

At any rate, I have to agree with what the original poster is saying. I guess it's misleading to have box art and advertisements talking about a single player campaign that ends up being 5 hours long and tacked on, but it's pretty damn easy to find out if that's the case before you buy a game.
 

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I'm really tempted to for the next MW. I'm kinda sick now about how Activision treats the CoD franchise and I'm not gonna' put up with the next version. Be it the scaled down less risky ideas compared to Black Ops, or the fact that it's gonna' be competitive and people who play that need to pay them 50$ on top of the game for the Elite service. But that aside, I may rent it just to follow the campaign, I've always enjoyed Soap and Price.
 

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Yeah, I play 'em for single player. Despite what cynical older gamers will tell you, modern shooters still tend to have decent single players, they just look pale in comparison to the more diverse multiplayer aspect.
 

Roxim Teaga

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Alright, lets begin with shortening the arguments shall we?

Multiplayer: For this team, the argument is that theres tons of replay-value here, whereas Single-player replay-value tends to nosedive rather rapidly for them, theres more challenge, more fun in Multiplayer for this side

Single-player: IN THIS corner however the exact opposite is stated, many single-player gamers dislike Multiplayer, many of my friends i've talked to either love or hate (I rest in the middle but more on that in a minute) Multiplayer and prefer a game that advertises a solid single-player and/or co-operative single-player campaign to actually hold it's water in both department.


My argument: Alright (cracks his knuckles) lets begin, Right off the bat let me state that I love both single and multiplayer games TO A POINT,I played Medal of honor Spearhead (PC shooter) until the CD literally wouldnt run anymore online, I loved Halo Multiplayer, I loved COD: Modern Warfare 1 Multiplayer, and I even occasionally get on MAG (a PS3 MMO Shooter with RPG elements) still multiplayer wise. HOWEVER I prefer single-player more often than not.3/5s of my console and PC games are mostly for the singleplayer content. Now Midgeamoo's argument is that a game thats mostly multiplayer focused with a shoddy singleplayer content should advertise that it's singleplayer is indeed shit, now while I would appreciate such honesty from a gaming company I'll probably sooner see hell freeze over.

Several other members in the forum stated that if A games going to focus all efforts on one section why bother with the other? I agree with this, Lets look at each side of this argument, Oblivion and Morrowind, both games of the Elderscrolls genre, were considerd incredible in-depth strategy games with a absolutely massive modification community for both, Now lets take a look at Red Orchestra and Team fortress 2, Both of these games are equally popular in the gaming community, however both are (almost, with exception to RO's "practice" setting which pits you against AI players) Strictly Multiplayer based only, with rabid fans as far as the eye can see.

Now with both of these in mind, lets do a recap of what I've stated, Both are exclusive to either Multiplayer or Singleplayer, both have legions of die-hard fans, lets look in why I think each of these arguments both side's arguments have merit and have flaws shall we?

Multiplayer: Now the argument here is that Singleplayer tends to be incredibly boring for these players. Fair enough now lets look at a match of Team deathmatch or capture the flag on your typical shooter Multiplayer shall we?......huh....every players doing roughly the same thing as in singleplayer only on (typically) smaller or the same maps with even LESS things to do or going on. HOWEVER there will always be a challenge here as few players (outside of MP clans who train to play with similar strategies) play alike. Everyone thinks differently and so such interactions can last longer; HOWEVER just as another person stated earlier, eventually Multiplayer will lose it's rush, just as with....say Halo 2 for instance. Fewer and fewer people will play, until finally the servers are shut down and the multiplayers gone. Your XX dollars you spent for this game are now null and void, all those weeks/months/years you spent getting skilled at this game are now null and void as you cant play anything save local matches against the same people until even that becomes too repetitive.

Singleplayer: Alright, the field i'm a little more familiar with. Time to get cracking, the first argument for SP games is that many games are drifting away from singleplayer focus to focus on multiplayer games. This is true, the Call of Duty and Halo series (both revolutionary shooters from their singleplayer AND multiplayer content) were both incredibly popular in both aspects (although at the time Multiplayer was just getting it's momentum) However many multiplayer gamers consider Singleplayer games to be too repetitive. And sometimes I admittedly agree, after the 2nd or 3rd playthrough, most singleplayer games (short of Open End RPGs such as Fallout or Elderscrolls) have lost their value to me, HOWEVER. When a developer completely drops the ball on singleplayer (making it ridiculously generic or your just going through the motions about as much as you would in a Kung-fu dojo learning muscle-memory) then you've wasted your staff's time and the customer's time by producing absolute shit thats going to turn them away from wanting to risk buying a sequel (I know many of my buddies, as I said, both multiplayer and singleplayer gamers. Didnt bother buying Gears of war 3 if they were doing so for the campaign because the second game felt like the first one with a new voice-acting script save the worm scene).


The solution here: There is no clear-cut solution, the best we can do is do a few shots, agree to disagree that each side doesnt like the other's preference and deal with it, I'd love nothing more than to see rights for singleplayer-only/multiplayer-only/both purchases and have companies take the time to polish both out well. But as I also stated earlier we'll probably sooner see hell freeze over than game developers/publishers focus on the attentions of both equally and make a fine job of it.

TLDR; (well there goes an hour and a half of my life, hope your happy) Long story short, nut up or shut up, this is an argument thats going to drag on just as long as Communism vrs capitalism or Atheism versus religion etc. with either side whining the others wrong until one side keels over dead.

PS: I've been drinking quite a bit tonight so if my punctuation or spellings wrong I apologize, I'll try to make a mental note to fix any errors tommorrow if I can
 

Sack of Cheese

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I do buy shooters solely for singleplayer campaign because I dislike competitive multiplayer. If the game has bots zone then I'd be playing that too for a while then replay the campaign on higher difficulties.
 

Bat Vader

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Midgeamoo said:
Mark Hardigan said:
Midgeamoo said:
Mark Hardigan said:
Midgeamoo said:
Yup. If the multiplayer shines enough, I don't give a crap about the single player experience, it could be 5 hours of me hitting the right trigger and I wouldn't care because the multiplayer is amazing. Just read some reviews, watch videos of gameplay on youtube before spending your money to judge whether it's worth it, not expect that you spending money on their game means they need to stride to meet your tastes in both single player and multiplayer.

Would a nice shiny new car with a duff CD player ruin the whole thing and make it not worth it? Hardly.
So by your logic, if I gave you an amazing chocolate cake that was frosted with literal feces, it would still be a great cake for you?

You save your confusing logic for yourself. I myself demand that if something is included in a $60 game, it needs to be worth $60. If they don't want the game judged on the single player, then they shouldn't include the single player unless they are willing to make both single player and multiplayer equally good.
So a game with amazing multiplayer and a crap single player isn't worth $60.
But that same amazing multiplayer without the single player in at all is worth $60.

Talk about confusing logic.
Also stop embarrassing yourself by taking my examples that far that they sound ridiculous.
Saying that players have no right to complain when the game they buy has a crap single player is ridiculous.
Maybe, but it's their own fault for wasting their money on something that they would have known isn't for them if they spent 10-30 minutes checking the game out on reviews or youtube or something. It's people's decision to buy the game, not the games companies, they're just putting the shit out there, people can buy it if they think they will enjoy it, they don't deserve anything good, they try to buy the game that looks good for them.
If the developers know that the single player mode is going to be bad they should not advertise the single player or even have a single player mode in the game. A multiplayer focused game should just have multiplayer. A single player focused game should just have a single player mode. If the developers want to make a single player game and have multiplayer in it than they need to concentrate on one part at a time. Assassins Creed: Brotherhood is one of the games that gets the single player and the multiplayer right.
 

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Midgeamoo said:
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Congratulations, you have a preference. Well done, you are a valid human being. kudos on your achievement.

We care why?

You have to realise that A) the word of yahtzee is not law, in fact most of the time its bullshit (but entertaining bullshit and thats what matters) and B) The opinion of a critic is just that, an opinion, we all have opinions (you & me included), they are cheap and irrelevant to the reality of the industry. and finally C) Publishers milk the shit out of multiplayer games, you my friend are a cash cow, and whats more 10 excellent multiplayer games are not worth one good single player game in terms of quality of entertainment per hour played. Multiplayer is the soap opera of the video game world, and single player games are the feature films... and that is my opinion.
 

Shadowkire

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What I hate about shooters with crappy single player is that I spent ~$60 on a game where the single player campaign is crap and half of the entertainment of the multiplayer aspect of the game stems directly from others who bought the game.

Q:Where did my money go?

Hint: Not into development for the game. Else the SP would be better or I would see so many different kinds of maps for multiplayer that I would struggle to memorize the ins and outs of them all. Rarely are either of these two things present in any shooter that has come out in the last decade.
 

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Midgeamoo said:
I understand a lot of people don't like multiplayer, and so want a good single experience for their £40, but realise that this is the other way round for a lot of people, including myself, who are looking for multiplayer in their games, and single player is just an 'extra'. Please don't give my Yahtzee's "it has to stand up on it's single player" crap because it doesn't, what would people who are looking for a multiplayer focused game do if every game was focused around single player?
Here's my question. Why do you like multiplayer so much?

Is it for the interaction with your fellow man? I doubt it because you're likely talking about online multiplayer and you aren't really interacting with anyone.

Is it the challenge? Okay, there's a good reason. Because I remember trying to get into multiplayer myself with Team Fortress 2. It wasn't bad...until I left the base and got sniped in the head. The difficulty curve was through the roof. I simply didn't have fun, so I left.

But here's another question. Why buy any sequel? What does Modern Warfare 2 add over Modern Warfare 1? What about Halo 3 and Halo 2? The only thing I can think of is the story. Unless you'd like to enlighten me.

Then there's the reliance on external forces. You have to be pissed over paying $50 for a game that will be unplayable in a few years when you are the only one on the servers. Aren't you?

These are all honest questions by the way. I've had a problem recently about people thinking I'm insincere. I'm not.
 

Teh Jammah

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Midgeamoo said:
I understand a lot of people don't like multiplayer, and so want a good single experience for their £40, but realise that this is the other way round for a lot of people, including myself, who are looking for multiplayer in their games, and single player is just an 'extra'. Please don't give my Yahtzee's "it has to stand up on it's single player" crap because it doesn't, what would people who are looking for a multiplayer focused game do if every game was focused around single player?
If a game includes a single player mode it SHOULD be able to stand on it's own - otherwise it's a pointless add on. Shocking as it may be in this day and age but not everybody WANTS to play online.

If a game includes multi-player then that too SHOULD be able to stand on it's own. As you yourself said, there are also people who will buy a game and play the multiplayer mode almost exculsively.

If your shooter or whatever is all about the multiplayer, don't shoehorn in a BS '4 hour' single player experience and market the game around it. Just make it exclusively MP. (likewise don't shoehorn in MP to a single player game that doesn't need it)

I am, admittedly, not much of a shooter player, and I've only dipped my feet in the world of multiplayer stuff, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I DO tend to buy the few shooters i do for the single player. Mainly because the computer never calls me a 'f###w#### n#####f## c##b#####!!!'
 

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I have to say, it was a bit humorous when I finished reading this and the song by The Smashing Pumpkins I was listening to reaches the verse "Everyone is going to shoot someone/Everyone is going to ruin our fun/Because everybody's business/Is everybody's business." And now that the formalities are out of the way:

It seems to me as though you are posing a purely hypothetical question: "What would people who are looking for a multiplayer focused game do if every game was focused around single player?" (See lines 7 & 8) A glance at the modern market will reveal to you that most casual players seek a game with multiplayer support and actually let that become the center of the experience, thus it would be true to say that multiplayer drives the modern shooter market with multiplayer being a structure of a game that ensures its playability as while many would be slow to admit, it cannot go unsaid that a game fails without an online mode. This is simply because we have grown to bore quickly with shooters as they are based on action and story with single player campaigns posing little to no replay value. So because the market (as we just proved in brief) is driven by multiplayer support in games, I think your hypothetical question of an alternate future shouldn't be fretted over in the real world. But because you took the time to pose it on a forum:

If games focused on single player rather multiplayer (as depicted in your crude simulation of our world), the fact that humans bore easily would come into play at some point in time and the single player market would begin to slowly but surely fail if it does not collapse in one event and this is an unavoidable fact of human nature that must be applied to your scenario for sake of accountability. Out of the ruins of the fallen market will surely rise the unavoidable multiplayer market that evolves in all societies in any alternate future in which humans still retain all their humanity and the masses will have their satisfaction for that is the nature and the way of the modern market: supply and demand. So to directly answer your question:

Those who seek multiplayer over single player should wait for the market to reconstruct itself in accordance to common demand.
 

flaviok79

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007 Goldeneye invented (more like stumbled upon) multiplayer. Halo perfected it; But both had solid campaigns. The multiplayer is the bonus, the thing you bring friends together and pizza to celebrate the game. It is older than fast internet and yes, a US$ 60,00 game must have a decent single player experience.

When I put down US$ 60,00 (or over US$ 100,00, living in Brazil and all) I want my experience to be professionaly made levels, with a great story mode. I don't want it to relly solelly on the shoulders of stupid 13 year old kids who shoot me in hte back for picking up the weapon they felt entitled to.

I play loads of multiplayer, having sunk dozens of hours in each Halo, but that is a bonus. The campaing is the reason i bought the game.
 

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I buy games for single player. If a game does have multiplayer I tend to avoid it. Now I have played a little multiplayer, didnt enjoy it. If a game has a co-op option I enjoy that much more. I have friends that start up multiplayer before they even start the single player. Here's the BIG surprise.. We both enjoy it. Neither of us feel like we wasted our money.
 

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Multiplayer is full of immature kids, who usually enjoy camping, using the most unfair tactics possible, and spouting "your mom" jokes. Take MC for example, 90% of players are under 13, and of that 90%, at least half are dicks. Same thing in most mainstream shooter games.

Singleplayer, however is usually a more deep and engrossing experience. And the enemies are unlikely to hack/glitch, camp, or call your mom a whore.
 

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One of the good things about living where I do is PC games are ridiculously cheap. That, combined with the fact that I don't have my own abode yet so am restricted to crappy HSDPA broadband means I only ever buy games to play alone. I love games. Weird, or what?



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