Who is the most powerful Superhero? - Can't seem to trump Silver Age Superman
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Ambiguous guidelines. What constitutes a hero? What's standard "cannon"? Who defined it?rossatdi said:
Since your rules are ambiguous at best, I'll ignore your overruling of Jon Osterman, a.k.a. Dr. Manhattan, and proceed to name him the most powerful, on the account that he can control matter itself, including his own, and, seeing as he seems to be little more than an almighty consciousness, capable to reform himself if every single atom in his body is torn apart, he's as immortal as it gets.
The only other fantasy being capable of matching it's power would be the bible's "God", but that one's cheating, and product of a fairly lazy deus ex machina to be honest.
ON THE OTHER HAND...!
... It's absolutely ridiculous to compare different cannons/"universes", considering power is scaled differently between them... And generally speaking, the higher the power to worse and more ridiculous the character (exception made to Jon Osterman, which is why I named him).
Did anyone forget that being expose to kryptonite too long can cause cancer.Also I say Cable is the most powerful superhero.He can block his mind from being read from psychics on the level of Phoenix (Jean Grey), Professor X and Marvel Girl.Also his dad is Cyclops and Jean Grey
Who said The Flash can't fly? lrn2flash.
He creates whirlwinds from his arms which he uses to propel himself through the air. He just doesn't do it very much because it's a snails pace compared to running.
I thought it was established ages ago, Flash wins as his only weakness is Black Flash.
He creates whirlwinds from his arms which he uses to propel himself through the air. He just doesn't do it very much because it's a snails pace compared to running.
I thought it was established ages ago, Flash wins as his only weakness is Black Flash.
The other problem is that you can't get those two in a fight to the death, because they're both goody-two-shoes heroes.notsosavagemessiah said:
But, I agree that if you were to get those two in a fight like the world martial arts competition, Goku would win. Of course this would depend on the point of his life Goku would fight him, I presume as ssj4.
Sentry is an awesome character. He balances out the usual stereotype of being an awesome, overpowered, living dynamo by being an agrophobic, nervous, emotional wreck.rossatdi said:
Also, don't forget he can come back to life when he dies. Morgan Le Faye goes back in time and frigging removes him from it and he doesn't care.
There comes a point when a select few group of super heroes match out their powers near evenly, each near omnipotent given their ideal situations. Thus it would be up to the writer to decide what went down. However, any good writer doesn't want to disappoint serious fans, and thus would have a gimmick like squirrel girl win, leaving next to no one happy. Therefore we should propose a list of highly criticized and tightly chosen heroes who have the potential to win. I would propose that we need not worry who is cannon, and who is a hero, because those are often extremely biased points and decisions, and often should not affect this debate. However, if a non cannon hero has a greater power than it`s cannon counter part, and they both would qualify, there is no need to point out how one character becomes more omnipotent than he or she previously was. Its already assumed at their original level, they would have the power to win during the proper writing and situation. Super villains are obviously barred due to the chain`s original purpose and how including super villains would bring in a land slide of people who were defeated in unlikely turns of events by people who had significantly less power. I`d say its safe to consider heroes heroes if they are arguably heroes, or were trying to be (like superboy prime as an example), did the job (like doctor Manhattan), or did the job despite unorthodox ways (like Ozymandias), which is not to say every kook who wanted to mess up the world for perverted senses of recreation will qualify.
Now, in no particular order:
Super boy prime
SA Superman
Green lanterns (Jon Stewart likely the seed as strongest)
The sentry
Dr Manhattan
The silver Surfer
Most magi(such as Zantanna, etc)
Captain Marvel
Squirrel Girl
Goku
All telepaths (notably Xavier, Phoenix, etc)
Thor (Especially with the Odin force)
Rogue
The hulk
The Thing
Any of the +100 strength class marvel mutants
For a less well known one, Devi, from the virgin comics comic book of that name. Less well known ones like that are good to add to the list. I would more, but they seem like they would soon over crowd as everyone ever thought of in a nerd`s basement would begin to qualify.
Also, a special shout out to batman. If a story line like this ever came out, he would be involved, despite his lack of powers.
I also want to point out that the green lantern`s power symbol has been used as a focus for magical energy to remove fear in the casters to maximize their united strength. Just throwing that out there, as people have been pretty harsh on lanterns after super boy prime thrashed them.
Also, another thing about superman, he often never uses half of his powers. In the JLA episode where the heroes met alternate selves, the alternate superman lobotomized the alien with his lazer vision. Normal superman would never had done that.
Also, instant movement (goku) is worse than moving so fast that you can reverse time (superman). Again, it comes to the writer.
Now, in no particular order:
Super boy prime
SA Superman
Green lanterns (Jon Stewart likely the seed as strongest)
The sentry
Dr Manhattan
The silver Surfer
Most magi(such as Zantanna, etc)
Captain Marvel
Squirrel Girl
Goku
All telepaths (notably Xavier, Phoenix, etc)
Thor (Especially with the Odin force)
Rogue
The hulk
The Thing
Any of the +100 strength class marvel mutants
For a less well known one, Devi, from the virgin comics comic book of that name. Less well known ones like that are good to add to the list. I would more, but they seem like they would soon over crowd as everyone ever thought of in a nerd`s basement would begin to qualify.
Also, a special shout out to batman. If a story line like this ever came out, he would be involved, despite his lack of powers.
I also want to point out that the green lantern`s power symbol has been used as a focus for magical energy to remove fear in the casters to maximize their united strength. Just throwing that out there, as people have been pretty harsh on lanterns after super boy prime thrashed them.
Also, another thing about superman, he often never uses half of his powers. In the JLA episode where the heroes met alternate selves, the alternate superman lobotomized the alien with his lazer vision. Normal superman would never had done that.
Also, instant movement (goku) is worse than moving so fast that you can reverse time (superman). Again, it comes to the writer.
Dude, destroying a planet versus moving a whole one is a completely different test of mettle. Destroying a planet? Relatively easy in comparison. As a matter of fact, they've pointed out that it just doesn't take that much energy to actually do that in the DBZ universe. They've pointed out that even Baby Saiyans have that potential.ElTigreSantiago said:
But moving a planet out of orbit? You have to be truly strong to do that, and it's a feet that we've never seen anyone in that universe even attempt. In feets of strength, we've never seen Goku even come close to matching that.
Goku's Instant transmission attack can go at NEAR the speed of light, but silver age Supes could go past it. Also, in that time, Superman was pretty much completely indestructible, while Goku has been killed by energy attacks not once but twice.
...So yeah, you've pretty much not picked up a Superman comic ever, from what it sounds like. It's not like Superman was ever a fugitive (Superman/Batman: Public Enemies), or that he lives his life completely outside of the law (He flies around the world, interacting with different countries with no diplomatic ties to pretty much any of them, not to mention the very fact that he fights crime, which makes him technically a vigilante). Your argument is that he's working for the government because he tries to abide by the law? That's like saying that by trying to abide by the law, that you, in fact are a tool of the government, and I'm sure that Superman probably breaks more domestic and international laws everyday then you do. Although I do like, that when your argument is backed into a corner, you think my "panties are in a wad". I hate to tell you this sport, but thoroughness doesn't indicate that my blood pressure has spiked. So calm down, and don't take this so personally.Island said:
The whole "boring" and "2 dimensional" thing, is a matter of opinion, but again, it really sounds like you haven't picked up an issue of Superman in a very long time. Clearly there is something to him, because most writers (Geoff Johns included) say Superman is amongst their favorite character to write for.
Regardless, we've now degraded to the point where you aren't even arguing the "Power" issue anymore, now you're only attacking Superman's character...which is kind of weak.
As much as i hate to say it, sentry from marvel comics, he's a deus ex machina basically....i wonder if i spelled that right...
