So it is the first form only not evolved, who is the strongest 1 starter Pokemon atm. And it only has moves it learns naturally, no tm's.
Whos the strongest starter pokemon out of all generations of pokemon not inclding home console?
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The whole point of the starter system is that it balances out in a rock-paper-scissors fashion?
From a purely technical standpoint, they all have a near enough stat balance for it to not really make much of a difference. Not distributed in the same way, of course, so if you value speed and special attack power more than defense or health, for instance, you might think Charmander is better than Turtwig. But then it would entirely depend on how you choose to play.
And of course, it could depend on which generation you're picking them from. Movesets in the first Gen were pretty dire; Charmander at least got Flamethrower and Slash, but Bulbasaur and Squirtle had to make do with Razor Leaf and Water Gun.
EDIT: Basically, I don't know the movesets of all of the starters in Gen VI well enough to try answering.
The whole point of the starter system is that it balances out in a rock-paper-scissors fashion?
From a purely technical standpoint, they all have a near enough stat balance for it to not really make much of a difference. Not distributed in the same way, of course, so if you value speed and special attack power more than defense or health, for instance, you might think Charmander is better than Turtwig. But then it would entirely depend on how you choose to play.
And of course, it could depend on which generation you're picking them from. Movesets in the first Gen were pretty dire; Charmander at least got Flamethrower and Slash, but Bulbasaur and Squirtle had to make do with Razor Leaf and Water Gun.
EDIT: Basically, I don't know the movesets of all of the starters in Gen VI well enough to try answering.
Well, starters don't seem to matter much when you get into the competitive scene. In-game, they're all usable. I'm not big on the Fire/Fighting types. My favourite starter is Cyndaquil, and that one is a pure Fire type. Lots of people dig Charmander, for his Fire/Dragon Megaevolution as Charizard. I just choose whatever I think looks cool.
What you're asking seems really arbitrary, like when is this exact scenario going to come into play? And even when it does I doubt there's really that much of a difference between the choices.
If you don't include Pikachu and go by base stat totals, Bulbasaur, Chikorita and Turtwig have the highest at 318. Of those, Bulbasaur has the best typing and a decent enough movepool, so I guess Bulbasaur wins?
If you don't include Pikachu and go by base stat totals, Bulbasaur, Chikorita and Turtwig have the highest at 318. Of those, Bulbasaur has the best typing and a decent enough movepool, so I guess Bulbasaur wins?
If we're counting hidden abilities Froakie gets the best ability of all of them with Protean, followed by Torchic with speed boost. Otherwise the basic starters are pretty well balanced, though naturally you're unlikely to beat a grass starter with a water one if all else is equal.
If you count evolutions then I personally prefer Greninja. Even though it lacks a Mega Evolution- or perhaps because of that- it's very versatile and has fantastic stats for a starter, and is absolutely usable in online play when it has it's HA. Mega Blaziken and HA Blaziken are also very powerful.
If you count evolutions then I personally prefer Greninja. Even though it lacks a Mega Evolution- or perhaps because of that- it's very versatile and has fantastic stats for a starter, and is absolutely usable in online play when it has it's HA. Mega Blaziken and HA Blaziken are also very powerful.
I wouldn't have a clue, but then I don't know enough about later generations.
Off-hand, I would say if you ignore evolutions, Pikachu from Pokemon yellow has an unfair advantage in some ways.
Though I'm unsure if this applies to the game itself or just to transfers to Gen 2... (not to mention if you get yellow you get pikachu + all 3 gen 1 starter pokemon anyway. So... You don't actually need to choose. XD)
In any event, it almost seems as though the pikachu in Pokemon yellow has higher stats than an ordinary one.
Still, it's hard to settle on a 'best' starter in a game designed the way Pokemon is.
Since each one is weak to something, and strong to something else, it's very unlikely any one Pokemon will ever be 'the best'.
Even MewTwo can be crippled by the right opponent. (especially in later generations where Dark pokemon are a thing, and a lot of extra abilities exist)
Meta-wise, Mewtwo appears to still be the strongest pokemon there is, even amongst the other legendaries. The overwhelming force of a mewtwo can be lessened by choosing a bad moveset, and is generally not quite so overwhelming in later generations...
But it's hard to find anything that can take one on easily.
Getting back to starters... Without being able to do easy cross-generation comparisons it's a little difficult. Most of the time they don't exist in the same game. You have no real practical source of information to determine such things...
And it likely would depend on some rather subtle things....
Off-hand, I would say if you ignore evolutions, Pikachu from Pokemon yellow has an unfair advantage in some ways.
Though I'm unsure if this applies to the game itself or just to transfers to Gen 2... (not to mention if you get yellow you get pikachu + all 3 gen 1 starter pokemon anyway. So... You don't actually need to choose. XD)
In any event, it almost seems as though the pikachu in Pokemon yellow has higher stats than an ordinary one.
Still, it's hard to settle on a 'best' starter in a game designed the way Pokemon is.
Since each one is weak to something, and strong to something else, it's very unlikely any one Pokemon will ever be 'the best'.
Even MewTwo can be crippled by the right opponent. (especially in later generations where Dark pokemon are a thing, and a lot of extra abilities exist)
Meta-wise, Mewtwo appears to still be the strongest pokemon there is, even amongst the other legendaries. The overwhelming force of a mewtwo can be lessened by choosing a bad moveset, and is generally not quite so overwhelming in later generations...
But it's hard to find anything that can take one on easily.
Getting back to starters... Without being able to do easy cross-generation comparisons it's a little difficult. Most of the time they don't exist in the same game. You have no real practical source of information to determine such things...
And it likely would depend on some rather subtle things....
It seen kinda redudent to asked which starters is the stronger if evolved forms are not included.
According to the Uber tier list on Smogon, it's a toss up between Torchic and Froakie, as their evolutions are the only starters that can only be played in the Ubers tier.
I don't think it has an advantage in Yellow because that was before held items became a thing, but when traded into Gold/Silver, Yellow's Pikachu will be holding a Light Ball, which doubles its Attack and Special Attack stats.CrystalShadow said:
EDIT: Though that might be what you meant anyway. >.>
Intent and reality often clash. Case in point:shrekfan246 said:
Death Battles are a legally binding way of solving arguments, right? They should be. Them an Epic Rap Battles of History.
I'm really bad with Pokémon, though. I'll skip ones I know are powerful to get the cool/cute looking ones.
But yeah, you can break the "rock paper scissors" in Pokémon pretty easily.
Can't say who's strongest, but I've always been biased towards grass-type starters, specially Snivy.
OP did specify no evolutions, though.Zachary Amaranth said:
Not that I'm saying Pokemon was ever as well-balanced as it intended to be, I honestly think there are far too many types and type-combinations for that to happen, to say nothing of the stat balances themselves and how many new things they've added since the first generation.
Just imagine how much of a fustercluck that video would be if they tried tallying up every single starter.
It was more for demonstrative purposes. The bit about it being legally binding was just a joke about the idea of using Death Battle to resolve things.shrekfan246 said:OP did specify no evolutions, though.
I would be rooting (no pun intended) for Turtwig (or Torterra, if evolutions were allowed), but yeah. I do kind of wonder if there would be any sort f clear winner there, though.
Smogon had to create an entirely new tier just for Mega Rayquaza, (the Anything Goes tier, or AG) if you're willing to count Mega Evolutions. In other words, they had to ban this Pokemon from the standard tournament ban list.CrystalShadow said:
If you're not counting Mega Evolutions, then you're probably right, but Mega Rayquaza is on a whole new level of brokenly overpowered.
No evolutions? Pikachu, Gen I. He comes with a Light Ball if transferred to Pokemon Stadium 2. Light Ball DOUBLES the Special Attack stat. It's just awesome. Even without TMs he can learn Surf if you're clever, but that probably doesn't count. He's still great without it.
Normal starters, I'll just go with Squirtle, cause I love that little guy.
Normal starters, I'll just go with Squirtle, cause I love that little guy.
With Snivy's hidden ability contrary combined with leaf storm and a few other good moves, it's rocketed up the ladder to become one of the most powerful starters. Which is fine by me since Serperior is my second favorite Pokemon.0takuMetalhead said:
OT: Since you basically want a little cup match-up between the starters, my money would be on Snivy, or Torchic. Though when talking about starter strength, you really gotta talk about their final forms.
I can tell you Bulbasaur is the best un Blue. Grass has the high ground throughout the first few gyms, long enough until you catch a decent team.