Leaf Storm is somewhat of a monster on itself if you ask me. Same for the "lesser" version of it, for the lack of a better word.Hero of Lime said:With Snivy's hidden ability contrary combined with leaf storm and a few other good moves, it's rocketed up the ladder to become one of the most powerful starters. Which is fine by me since Serperior is my second favorite Pokemon.0takuMetalhead said:Can't say who's strongest, but I've always been biased towards grass-type starters, specially Snivy.