Why all the hate for "Fallout: New Vegas"?
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Short, linear, not many interesting new weapons, and a feeling of "that was it?" I just felt like I wasted ten bucks.Draco Aleksander said:
I'm a long term Fallout lover and i'm currently replaying NV (almost) as we speak.
My only real niggle was the fact that i thoroughly disliked practically *all* the factions in the game to the point of nearly not finishing it almost every time it came to choosing what to do about who i side with.
I'm hoping that i can get the DLC soon or that they bring out a collection with it all on disc, so that i can actually make the almost perfect character like in Fallout 3.
My only real niggle was the fact that i thoroughly disliked practically *all* the factions in the game to the point of nearly not finishing it almost every time it came to choosing what to do about who i side with.
I'm hoping that i can get the DLC soon or that they bring out a collection with it all on disc, so that i can actually make the almost perfect character like in Fallout 3.
Fallout NV sits in a weird place fan wise. In some ways it is by far the superior FO game. (yeah yeah FO 1 and 2 fans rage away). It has the most refined interface and the AI and game systems are much better dialed in then in FO3. Plus it has a decent story.
Where it loses a bit is in the environment. Yeah once again I know the classic FO players prefer the western side of things. But FO3 was crowded. Everywhere felt like bombed out suburbia. With every step you took in that game world you knew that this used to be something else. That atmosphere was fantastic. FO:NV fails to recapture that somewhat. I mean really the Mojave after a nuclear Holocaust? Who could tell the difference? It's flat empty desert either way. So it just felt emptier and more lifeless. Yeah Vegas itself is great, but the open world seemed more barren.
Add to that, that the factions were more of a mixed bag for some. Yeah it is really neat how many different ways you can go, and how complex the factions can be. But you quickly get to the point where you are afraid to shoot anything for fear of screwing up one faction or another. FO3 was a little simpler. It's a red dot = Splatter it's brain everywhere. I mean in FO:NV even the bloody Super Mutants have a friendly faction
Where it loses a bit is in the environment. Yeah once again I know the classic FO players prefer the western side of things. But FO3 was crowded. Everywhere felt like bombed out suburbia. With every step you took in that game world you knew that this used to be something else. That atmosphere was fantastic. FO:NV fails to recapture that somewhat. I mean really the Mojave after a nuclear Holocaust? Who could tell the difference? It's flat empty desert either way. So it just felt emptier and more lifeless. Yeah Vegas itself is great, but the open world seemed more barren.
Add to that, that the factions were more of a mixed bag for some. Yeah it is really neat how many different ways you can go, and how complex the factions can be. But you quickly get to the point where you are afraid to shoot anything for fear of screwing up one faction or another. FO3 was a little simpler. It's a red dot = Splatter it's brain everywhere. I mean in FO:NV even the bloody Super Mutants have a friendly faction
New Vegas is one of my favorite games ever. Possibly my most played game ever. (17-20 or so characters 50+ hours as each)
I've never experienced any game breaking bugs, aside from one time the cloud effect in Dead Money glitched and wouldn't go away.
I don't understand the complaints, but maybe I'm just extremely lucky.
I've never experienced any game breaking bugs, aside from one time the cloud effect in Dead Money glitched and wouldn't go away.
I don't understand the complaints, but maybe I'm just extremely lucky.
Fans of Fallout 1 and 2 generally liked New Vegas much more than 3.
As for why fans of 3 didn't like New Vegas, basically they went into it expecting 3 but they didn't/ This is probably due to the fact that it wasn't even trying to be Fallout 3, it was meant as a sequel to Fallout 2, not 3.
As for why fans of 3 didn't like New Vegas, basically they went into it expecting 3 but they didn't/ This is probably due to the fact that it wasn't even trying to be Fallout 3, it was meant as a sequel to Fallout 2, not 3.
The FPS gameplay is TERRIBLE and clunky.
The RPG gameplay is alright but suffers generally from having an FPS trying to hog the limelight.
Fallout 3 and it both have stupid balancing in terms of scaling and general usage, it is very easy to break the game in one way or another because nothing is balanced against anything else.
The animations are disgusting, it is horrible to look at, not because the graphics engine isn't capable of being pretty but because everything moves and behaves idiotically, it also suffers more than most from being the colour of underpants that somebody hasn't taken off in a decade or so. Ontop of this the landscape itself feels shallow and empty. This makes it difficult as an RPG when a lot of people find it hard to either care about the people or environment. (not even mentioning the conversation faces).
It is full of bugs and clipping issues, some have been fixed, a large chunk havn't and probably never will. It is always going to be unstable and fussy.
The AI is pretty bad, pathing issues are funny. This adds to the earlier balancing issue even more when a scope will totally break the AI, and when it does work all it will do is run straight from where it is standing at you onto the mines you most likely have set up.
This is off the top of my head, I could probably be both more thorough and coherent.
All in all it is a mediocre game with alright potential that's usually milked excessively through DLC and mods, and a particularly rabid fanbase.
Edit: The writing is quite substandard in a lot of places, specifically the main storyline. There is no real feeling to why you should be doing anything or why you should give a flying toss about any of the various factions, including the fact that they're willing to go "well here are some quests you havn't done, we would like to instantly forgive you and bring you to our side with no questions about loyalty asked".
Double edit: I just realised how tired I am and how badly written this post is, apologies in 'semi' advance. Not enough to fix it though -__-.
The RPG gameplay is alright but suffers generally from having an FPS trying to hog the limelight.
Fallout 3 and it both have stupid balancing in terms of scaling and general usage, it is very easy to break the game in one way or another because nothing is balanced against anything else.
The animations are disgusting, it is horrible to look at, not because the graphics engine isn't capable of being pretty but because everything moves and behaves idiotically, it also suffers more than most from being the colour of underpants that somebody hasn't taken off in a decade or so. Ontop of this the landscape itself feels shallow and empty. This makes it difficult as an RPG when a lot of people find it hard to either care about the people or environment. (not even mentioning the conversation faces).
It is full of bugs and clipping issues, some have been fixed, a large chunk havn't and probably never will. It is always going to be unstable and fussy.
The AI is pretty bad, pathing issues are funny. This adds to the earlier balancing issue even more when a scope will totally break the AI, and when it does work all it will do is run straight from where it is standing at you onto the mines you most likely have set up.
This is off the top of my head, I could probably be both more thorough and coherent.
All in all it is a mediocre game with alright potential that's usually milked excessively through DLC and mods, and a particularly rabid fanbase.
Edit: The writing is quite substandard in a lot of places, specifically the main storyline. There is no real feeling to why you should be doing anything or why you should give a flying toss about any of the various factions, including the fact that they're willing to go "well here are some quests you havn't done, we would like to instantly forgive you and bring you to our side with no questions about loyalty asked".
Double edit: I just realised how tired I am and how badly written this post is, apologies in 'semi' advance. Not enough to fix it though -__-.
I don't get the hate for that game. It was a solid hack-n-slash. Sci-fi Champions of Norrath, if you will.chaosyoshimage said:
ugh it was made by obsidian not bethesda.....if i have a nitpick this past month or so, it is that, there have been so many damn people who don't get this simple fact straight
please people get it right -_-
and i don't mind when people don't like new vegas, but if you go right back and say it's a "buggy mess", then you are being a fucking hypocrite, it took me literally 12 hours straight to get fallout 3 to even WORK on my computer, as in start up without crashing the whole damn thing, and that was the GOTY edition LAST SUMMER, so it had been out for hell of a long time to be patched right, while new vegas, right off the bat, hasn't crashed on me hardly at all (usually once per playthrough, and i always have a save roughly a minute behind it so no big deal.)
so if your going to blame one, then blame both.
otherwise i think new vegas excelled beyond F3 in every category, especially characters/story/choices, but to each their own.
please people get it right -_-
and i don't mind when people don't like new vegas, but if you go right back and say it's a "buggy mess", then you are being a fucking hypocrite, it took me literally 12 hours straight to get fallout 3 to even WORK on my computer, as in start up without crashing the whole damn thing, and that was the GOTY edition LAST SUMMER, so it had been out for hell of a long time to be patched right, while new vegas, right off the bat, hasn't crashed on me hardly at all (usually once per playthrough, and i always have a save roughly a minute behind it so no big deal.)
so if your going to blame one, then blame both.
otherwise i think new vegas excelled beyond F3 in every category, especially characters/story/choices, but to each their own.
I think he had to do with the amount of glitches in the game when it first came out, there were a lot more glitches than in some of their other games.
Also, it didn't really change much game-play wise from Fallout 3.
Also, it didn't really change much game-play wise from Fallout 3.
My copy of NV actually crashes very little. I also found the fact you don't have to go through your life much better then Fallout:3. however I'm the sort of person who makes a character for each ending and I nearly always veered towards being sided with the NCR or Yes Man (mainly because If you work with the legion all your companions hate you). I started my "Fallout experience" with fallout 3 and haven't played all of the games but NV is probably my favourite.
I've been thinking about that recently, and I think I found a good reason.
Play the beginning of Fallout 3. And then play New Vegas. They sheer depth and energy put into Fallout 3 is instantly noticeable.
You start out as a child, and you have absolutely no idea what awaits you on the outside. It takes a good 30 minutes before you even begin the game, all the while the game is pumping you up because you know you are eventually going to be set loose in the wasteland. There's no combat, only the inside of a very linear set of rooms inside a vault. And just when you start to get used to the general understanding of the lifestyle and bleak corridors in Vault 101, the game puts you out into the middle of the Wasteland. You're alone, and the first thing you see is the ruins of the Wastelands from the top of the cliff.
You go down a little ways, and you most likely hear American theme songs playing from the Enclave eyebot. The first little town of Megaton is vastly different from the narrow clean vault.
The beginning of that game did a lot for it. It established a tone that it keeps up for about half of the game.
Now Fallout New Vegas. You watch the beginning cutscene. You make your face. A guy gives you a gun. You get thrown out to the game. The first city was the most boring thing I have ever seen. The first mission was one of the dullest things I've ever played.
It remains about as exciting as the first town for rest of the game, with rare moments where something almost shines through, like the Legion. The towns are dull, the landscape is especially boring, and the missions are very tedious.
Fallout New Vegas was not a bad game, but in the light of Fallout 3, it was complete garbage.
Play the beginning of Fallout 3. And then play New Vegas. They sheer depth and energy put into Fallout 3 is instantly noticeable.
You start out as a child, and you have absolutely no idea what awaits you on the outside. It takes a good 30 minutes before you even begin the game, all the while the game is pumping you up because you know you are eventually going to be set loose in the wasteland. There's no combat, only the inside of a very linear set of rooms inside a vault. And just when you start to get used to the general understanding of the lifestyle and bleak corridors in Vault 101, the game puts you out into the middle of the Wasteland. You're alone, and the first thing you see is the ruins of the Wastelands from the top of the cliff.
You go down a little ways, and you most likely hear American theme songs playing from the Enclave eyebot. The first little town of Megaton is vastly different from the narrow clean vault.
The beginning of that game did a lot for it. It established a tone that it keeps up for about half of the game.
Now Fallout New Vegas. You watch the beginning cutscene. You make your face. A guy gives you a gun. You get thrown out to the game. The first city was the most boring thing I have ever seen. The first mission was one of the dullest things I've ever played.
It remains about as exciting as the first town for rest of the game, with rare moments where something almost shines through, like the Legion. The towns are dull, the landscape is especially boring, and the missions are very tedious.
Fallout New Vegas was not a bad game, but in the light of Fallout 3, it was complete garbage.
Maybe for you, but for me New Vegas gave me something that Fallout 3 failed at; it gave me more proper RPG elements, characters and places that made sense, a more interesting story revolving around the political turmoil of the Mojave, grey morality, interesting characters and DLCs that provided a connected story with a large arcing narrative.JoesshittyOs said:
Oh yeah, and New Vegas didn't screw with the lore and wasn't so inconsistent witht the gameworld.
I will say one thing it's really really insufferably annoying that many of the worst bugs in FO3 are still in F'n FO:NV.
On topic I prefer FO3 I simply had for fun and as for all the raping of the lore, hell FO2 raped F0 1's shitty lore into it's shitty punish, pop culture "lore".
On topic I prefer FO3 I simply had for fun and as for all the raping of the lore, hell FO2 raped F0 1's shitty lore into it's shitty punish, pop culture "lore".
This is why I prefer NV to 3. The Capital Wasteland had no means of food production, no reliable clean water, no means of any kind of production, and we're supposed to believe that people could settle there and live off of garbage indefinitely? And what about Little fucking Lamplight? How did any aspect of that make sense? Aside from that, the game world felt like a big trash heap--which I guess is what you're going for in a post-apocalyptic setting, but NV's setting felt so much more alive.ChupathingyX said:
I didn't really care for 3's plot, either. "Dad"'s motivation behind moving into the vault doesn't make much sense to me (much less how he got in to begin with, or the source of his education), the prominently placed Bible verse felt extremely out of place in Fallout, the water purification device being lethal to you was contrived as hell (as was the Enclave's presence)... I'm struggling to think of anything that I liked about it. Maybe character creation.
Out of all the games, I loved Fallout Tactics
OT: I dont hate it, but I did much more enjoy fallout 3 than fallout NV, I thinks its just how it starts that puts it in the wrong with me, im not totally sure... I dont know any more about why I dont totaly like it...
OT: I dont hate it, but I did much more enjoy fallout 3 than fallout NV, I thinks its just how it starts that puts it in the wrong with me, im not totally sure... I dont know any more about why I dont totaly like it...
I can't comment on why some people may dislike fallout 3 and/or fallout new vegas.
I personally played both to a great extent. I am still playing fallout new vegas. 491 hours on steam and counting for New Vegas, specifically.
I use a plethora of modifications. I feel that the customization of the game permits me to change things that I did not like about the game.
I also feel that the customization of the gameplay experience, from the system of leveling up and choosing your stats/perks all the way to the modifications I use, permit me to make the game my own.
I couldn't imagine playing this game without modifications...
A few examples of the modifications I use:
The point is, the mods that I use in my game drastically change and improve the game world for my playstyle. Not many games let you do that~!
Finally, I'll just say this: I feel that the story, music, and "playable" areas of Fallout 3 were far better in my opinion.
The dynamic of Fallout 3 and its juxtaposition of the capital wastelands pleasant, if not irradiated countryside against the harsh, bombed out cities and sewer tunnels of the Urban sector made the game both visually diverse and made it seem much larger to me.
I found the lack of underground areas in Fallout New Vegas extremely disheartening, and while the shitty, barren desert most certainly succeeded in illustrating what a post-fallout life might be like, there weren't nearly enough buildings/places to go into and explore. It seems like 9 out of 10 buildings were boarded up and could not be entered. Fallout 3 had a shitload of buildings you could go into and explore.
Thankfully, "A World of Pain" puts over 100 rich, diverse, explorable locations into the game; including but not limited to an insanely large underground network of tunnels, pseudo-communities, lost-and-forgotten deep-underground facilities, and finally, plenty of above-ground buildings filled with enemies and loot.
I think that all sums up how I feel about the games in general.
I'm going to post links for the modifications that I have mentioned in this thread, as a courtesy to other PC players who would like to enhance their Fallout New Vegas experience. (I can do that, right?)
I personally played both to a great extent. I am still playing fallout new vegas. 491 hours on steam and counting for New Vegas, specifically.
I use a plethora of modifications. I feel that the customization of the game permits me to change things that I did not like about the game.
I also feel that the customization of the gameplay experience, from the system of leveling up and choosing your stats/perks all the way to the modifications I use, permit me to make the game my own.
I couldn't imagine playing this game without modifications...
A few examples of the modifications I use:
--Sprint Mod: A mod which allows the player to (when the button of your choice is pressed) run significantly faster (based on formulae regarding carried weight, agility, endurance) for a short period of time until AP recharges.
--Implant GRX hotkey: Permits the player to bind the usage of Implant GRX (Implant GRX is a perk that lets the player use "Turbo" without having the chem) to any key of your choosing. Without this modification, I feel that the Implant GRX perk breaks gameplay flow by forcing the player to open the pipboy. Implant GRX was implemented with Old World Blues.
--MCV or Modified Combat Values: A modification which changes NPC behavior to make enemies more effective in combat against the player. NPC's crouch when possible to increase accuracy, they can search dead bodies for better weapons. (and frequently do) Also, NPC's actually aim thanks to this modification.
Default NPC's use a very strange "Spray and Pray" behavior pattern that basically means they never TRY to shoot you. This mod makes the game a lot more challenging -- especially if you piss off Caesars legion and 4 assholes with brush guns come at you in an open field.
The point is, the mods that I use in my game drastically change and improve the game world for my playstyle. Not many games let you do that~!
Finally, I'll just say this: I feel that the story, music, and "playable" areas of Fallout 3 were far better in my opinion.
The dynamic of Fallout 3 and its juxtaposition of the capital wastelands pleasant, if not irradiated countryside against the harsh, bombed out cities and sewer tunnels of the Urban sector made the game both visually diverse and made it seem much larger to me.
I found the lack of underground areas in Fallout New Vegas extremely disheartening, and while the shitty, barren desert most certainly succeeded in illustrating what a post-fallout life might be like, there weren't nearly enough buildings/places to go into and explore. It seems like 9 out of 10 buildings were boarded up and could not be entered. Fallout 3 had a shitload of buildings you could go into and explore.
Thankfully, "A World of Pain" puts over 100 rich, diverse, explorable locations into the game; including but not limited to an insanely large underground network of tunnels, pseudo-communities, lost-and-forgotten deep-underground facilities, and finally, plenty of above-ground buildings filled with enemies and loot.
I think that all sums up how I feel about the games in general.
I'm going to post links for the modifications that I have mentioned in this thread, as a courtesy to other PC players who would like to enhance their Fallout New Vegas experience. (I can do that, right?)
-- New Vegas Nexus: The site for Awesome, free FNV mods (www.newvegasnexus.com)
-- Sprint Mod: (http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34943)
-- Implant GRX Activator Hotkey: (http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=42926)
-- MCV or Modified Combat Values: (http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=40097)
-- A World of Pain: (http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38719)