I don't understand this thread when no-one has mentioned Skylar, who manages to be the most fucking annoying character and doesn't even instigate whore fights.
Why all the Joffrey hate when there's Tuco?
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Because Joffrey is a spoiled brat and an asshole. I know its not doing justice to Martin's writing to simplify a character to a single characteristic, but Joffrey is the epitome of "The Asshole". Every time he appears, he is being asshole-y... If he has the choice between asshole and not-asshole reaction to any given situation, he will take the asshole one, even when the other one does not require more effort.
That, and seeing Tyron slap him is awesome...
That, and seeing Tyron slap him is awesome...
Oh, where to start...Jofferey had Sansa's wolf killed, had a poor butcher boy killed, killed Ned in cold blood, thretaned to rape Sansa, starved his people, and just kind of sucks at everything. Also, he's a terrible human being.
Tuco...stole a guy's liquor. And a gun. I mean, yeah, he tortures Blondie, tries to kill him a couple times, and he does kill people, three in the film, I think, but never in cold blood, and only when they were going to kill him if he didn't.
...why you're comparing the antagonists of an epic fantasy[footnote]A Song of Ice and Fire[/footnote] and a spaghetti western[footnote]The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly[/footnote], on the other hand, I don't know. What am I missing?
Capatcha: how quaint
EDIT: DAMN IT, I GOT NINJA'D!
Tuco...stole a guy's liquor. And a gun. I mean, yeah, he tortures Blondie, tries to kill him a couple times, and he does kill people, three in the film, I think, but never in cold blood, and only when they were going to kill him if he didn't.
...why you're comparing the antagonists of an epic fantasy[footnote]A Song of Ice and Fire[/footnote] and a spaghetti western[footnote]The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly[/footnote], on the other hand, I don't know. What am I missing?
Capatcha: how quaint
EDIT: DAMN IT, I GOT NINJA'D!
Tuco is a grown-ass man and a meth dealer who was brought up by the cartel. At least there's a REASON for his horribleness. Plus, he's insane. So that's not really his fault.
Joffrey? He's just fucking crazy and evil for no damn reason. And he's arguably more cruel then Tuco.
Joffrey? He's just fucking crazy and evil for no damn reason. And he's arguably more cruel then Tuco.
Joffrey has the same personnality of a xbox-live teenage asshole with power. I don't remember who said that, but it does feel accurate.
Well, to people who watched Breaking Bad when it was first released, the Tuco thing is pretty much dead and buried and over, for three years and counting.
Little bastard Joffrey could easily continue to annoy us for another two seasons - at the very least. Many, many people will die because of Joffrey and his mommy dearest, while Tuco ended up just another victim of Walter White's pretty random desperate moves and illusions of grandeur.
Compared to the Joffrey character, Tuco was a regular choirboy that just diversified into drugs and a gangsta lifestyle.
Little bastard Joffrey could easily continue to annoy us for another two seasons - at the very least. Many, many people will die because of Joffrey and his mommy dearest, while Tuco ended up just another victim of Walter White's pretty random desperate moves and illusions of grandeur.
Compared to the Joffrey character, Tuco was a regular choirboy that just diversified into drugs and a gangsta lifestyle.
Aw, come on, the book that concluded Joffrey's fate was released in 2000 - and if the TV series really is the only thing you intend to put the effort of consuming into, know that you're missing out anyway... on an epic, big huge scale.Amaror said:
Here, have another - non-spoilery - snippet of the alternate reality original bit:
"...the only good thing that could be said of Joffrey was that he was tall and strong for his age."
So, in the books, Joffrey ain't the leptosomic, rat-faced weasel he's reduced to in the TV series. I still think it's all valid and good, since the actor is a splendid choice to the end of making Joffrey as despicable and loathsome as the character deserves.
1) Tuco is an asshole. That's who he is, that's how he is written. He is a bad guy who is there to be bad in an entertaining way, and that's all we expect of him. But Joffery is more of a character. We know him, we spend some time with him, we feel like he is not just a villain, but a person making choices. And those choices are TERRIBLE. So our hate feels more justified. It's like how you would feel about a dog that bites a baby versus a father that bites a baby.
2) Tuco does bad things, but Joffery does bad things for a horrifically skewed philosophical reason. His sexism and tyrannical perspective represent real world, identifiable evil on a large scale. Tuco wants stuff and tries to get it.
3) Tuco at least earned his place. Kind of. He was a viscous bad-ass who fought to get what he wanted. You can understand where he got corrupted. Joffery is a whiny little shit who had everything handed to him, and he just decided to be an asshole. He comes across as being not only evil, but weak and whiny.
4) Jofferys evil is broader. He can do in a casual decree what Tuco would need to put massive amounts of effort into. Joffery can start a war that destroys nations, Tuco can only destroy a few gangs.
2) Tuco does bad things, but Joffery does bad things for a horrifically skewed philosophical reason. His sexism and tyrannical perspective represent real world, identifiable evil on a large scale. Tuco wants stuff and tries to get it.
3) Tuco at least earned his place. Kind of. He was a viscous bad-ass who fought to get what he wanted. You can understand where he got corrupted. Joffery is a whiny little shit who had everything handed to him, and he just decided to be an asshole. He comes across as being not only evil, but weak and whiny.
4) Jofferys evil is broader. He can do in a casual decree what Tuco would need to put massive amounts of effort into. Joffery can start a war that destroys nations, Tuco can only destroy a few gangs.
Now I am assuming Joffery refers to Game of Thrones. Which if true that makes this one of the most bizarre comparisons ive ever encountered. Now I am really baffled if that is the case.
How the hell can anyone hate Joffrey? He is one of the best chars in all of fiction, and the saddest part about Joffrey is that the kid playing him, Jack Gleason has in essence gutted his career outside of Game of thrones with how well he has done with the role. Seriously, he will be type cast and struggle for work the rest of his career.
But as a char how can anyone not adore someone so sadistic, vile, masochistic, Impetuous, downright inventive with cruelty turning it into effectively a work of art, all wrapped up in a "pretty" package and hidden behind the veil of supposed childlike innocence? (I would spoiler this, but it is Game of thrones... If they arent dead they will be soon enough) The real shame about Joffrey is the fact he met his demise far too early and we just simply only got a little glimmer of the magnificent bastard he would have become.
I remember Kevin Smith discussing Episode 3 of Star Wars, talking about the backlash against how Anakin was portrayed, and he said, Yeah, that is exactly the sort of kid that would have grown to become Vader, Whiney, power hungry, etc. Joffrey makes Anakin look like an crying infant in comparison. Now Imagine what THAT would have grown into once it learned how to wield power.
Now I can understand why people disliked Tuco. Tuco was not really anything special. If you are trying to compare Tuco and Joffrey as Villains, Joffery exhibits many traditional hallmarks of villainy. Tuco is nothing. Tuco is just a tweaker who managed, for a time to get a leg up on competition. Yes he was volitile and dangerous. But again he was a tweaker, and any bit of unpredictable volatility should have been anticipated because with a tweaker, you come to naturally expect the unexpected. Thats really the root of any power Tuco actually has and really volitile and irrational villains are almost always defeated easily. Tuco pretty much went out of power like a punk *****. And technically he was just another 2 bit distributor who got taken out of power by a DEA agent. Really sounds more like a nightly news story than a narrative with great depth.
How the hell can anyone hate Joffrey? He is one of the best chars in all of fiction, and the saddest part about Joffrey is that the kid playing him, Jack Gleason has in essence gutted his career outside of Game of thrones with how well he has done with the role. Seriously, he will be type cast and struggle for work the rest of his career.
But as a char how can anyone not adore someone so sadistic, vile, masochistic, Impetuous, downright inventive with cruelty turning it into effectively a work of art, all wrapped up in a "pretty" package and hidden behind the veil of supposed childlike innocence? (I would spoiler this, but it is Game of thrones... If they arent dead they will be soon enough) The real shame about Joffrey is the fact he met his demise far too early and we just simply only got a little glimmer of the magnificent bastard he would have become.
I remember Kevin Smith discussing Episode 3 of Star Wars, talking about the backlash against how Anakin was portrayed, and he said, Yeah, that is exactly the sort of kid that would have grown to become Vader, Whiney, power hungry, etc. Joffrey makes Anakin look like an crying infant in comparison. Now Imagine what THAT would have grown into once it learned how to wield power.
Now I can understand why people disliked Tuco. Tuco was not really anything special. If you are trying to compare Tuco and Joffrey as Villains, Joffery exhibits many traditional hallmarks of villainy. Tuco is nothing. Tuco is just a tweaker who managed, for a time to get a leg up on competition. Yes he was volitile and dangerous. But again he was a tweaker, and any bit of unpredictable volatility should have been anticipated because with a tweaker, you come to naturally expect the unexpected. Thats really the root of any power Tuco actually has and really volitile and irrational villains are almost always defeated easily. Tuco pretty much went out of power like a punk *****. And technically he was just another 2 bit distributor who got taken out of power by a DEA agent. Really sounds more like a nightly news story than a narrative with great depth.
When it comes to A Song of Ice and Fire everyone always cites Joffrey as the most annoying character. I'm guessing that's mainly because most people haven't read the books to know that
CERSEI is by far the most irritating character in the series. Everything that Joffrey is is because of his mother and her uncompromising grabs for power and delusions of competence (most irritatingly paired with her belief that anything that goes wrong is due to the incompetence of others). Joffrey doesn't even manage to fuck up the country as much as she does. I'm curious, does anyone else who's read at least up to the third book hate Cersei more than Joffrey?
This. The book has been out for over a decade, might spoil some more stuff for you, Darth Vader is Luke's father, Bruce Willis is a ghost the entire time, THERE IS NO SPOON!Headdrivehardscrew said: