Why are 'casual' games bad?
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This is proof that game sites mostly hire women as eye candy and the fact that they're probably required to at least have 1 woman on their site.Magnalian said:
The issue I have with these games is they tend to be utterly linear, and feature dull level design. They also have levels with old "x number of retries = difficulty" concept, as opposed to challenges you can think your way through, the gameplay tends to be trial-and-error. And the gameplay itself is so simple you cannot interact with the world in meaningful or very many ways, leaving you with one (arbitrary) way of doing something. If these games would keep to themselves, great, but it is infecting more hardcore titles. the only platform it hasn't yet affected to severe degree is pc. When was the last time you played an original(ish) game from a "small-name" studio, that was truely great or even just good. most are just bland generic garbage that does nothing to amuse those of us framilair with games.
Ah. SO I'm in the casual item loving Port Town Aero Drive person. Awesome (Favorite stage) And I went back to melee and I hate melee.NeutralDrow said:
Because everything that I, personally, do not enjoy, regardless of whether or not I'm the target audience, is made of fail and does not deserve to exist. This is why metal, rap, all sports, Superman, FPS games, racing games and bananas should be purged from the earth, as should all the heathens who dare to enjoy them.
Because people who claim to be 'hardcore gamers' are sad idiots who feel the need to be protective about games.
it's because of how gaming is set up, there is no 'middle ground' when it comes to games, you're either on the hardcore-dedicated-been-playing-since-I-could-pick-up-a-controller gamer or a person who's only ever played a fews games on their new handheld Nintendo every couple of updates. let me explain myself
I personally don't think casual games are bad, if devs focused entirely on hardocres, then when the hardcores grow out of gaming, they would have no-one to cater to, and gaming would die. However, because of casual gming, they will still have an audience to cater to, and the hardcore audience would grow because, lets face it, as long as there are nerds, there will hardcores.
IN CONCLUSION: casual games are fine. as long as devs don't forget about us, of course.
if you have any counter points, or reasons why I am wrong/retarded, feel free to call me out on it. One can never learn if one is never proven wrong, correct?
EDIT: I agree with the guy above me, also.
in other mediums (literature, cinema, music), there are different levels you can enjoy on, from Dr. Suess to Stephen king, there are all sorts of thing you could read to get you to the 'best' stuff, in games we don't have thet, we only have say runescape to Maplestory to WOW. sure, their all the same genre,
but the ways for achieving victory are VASTLY different:
in runescape, grind, grind, grind BEAT BOSS BECAUSE OF LEVEL YAY!
in wow, same thing. Only the way you beat a boss is through deep, thought out strategy and teamwork. now victory in runescape would be easier to obtain for a casual gamer, but in wow it would be convoluted, confusing and 'scary' so they would shy away from it. pretty much every MMO out there is like runescape or WOW. strategy or force.
but in literature its a much easier task to get to the most 'hardcore' experience
Dr. Suess to Stephanie Meyer to Dean koontz to Stephen King to Dante/Homer/Ayn Rand
since there are so many different levels of reading, the means of getting to the best experiences are mcuh easier.
no story and shallow characters to deep characters and better stories to words that actually provoke thought, emotions and caring for the characters.
the hardcores of gaming mock and shun the casuals because they do not have the skill, or the will to heave themselves into a clusterfuck(for lack of a better word) of abbreviations, references, inside jokes and the like and thus causes the CASUAL GAMES R BAD additude amongst (some) hardcore gamers
but the ways for achieving victory are VASTLY different:
in runescape, grind, grind, grind BEAT BOSS BECAUSE OF LEVEL YAY!
in wow, same thing. Only the way you beat a boss is through deep, thought out strategy and teamwork. now victory in runescape would be easier to obtain for a casual gamer, but in wow it would be convoluted, confusing and 'scary' so they would shy away from it. pretty much every MMO out there is like runescape or WOW. strategy or force.
but in literature its a much easier task to get to the most 'hardcore' experience
Dr. Suess to Stephanie Meyer to Dean koontz to Stephen King to Dante/Homer/Ayn Rand
since there are so many different levels of reading, the means of getting to the best experiences are mcuh easier.
no story and shallow characters to deep characters and better stories to words that actually provoke thought, emotions and caring for the characters.
the hardcores of gaming mock and shun the casuals because they do not have the skill, or the will to heave themselves into a clusterfuck(for lack of a better word) of abbreviations, references, inside jokes and the like and thus causes the CASUAL GAMES R BAD additude amongst (some) hardcore gamers
I personally don't think casual games are bad, if devs focused entirely on hardocres, then when the hardcores grow out of gaming, they would have no-one to cater to, and gaming would die. However, because of casual gming, they will still have an audience to cater to, and the hardcore audience would grow because, lets face it, as long as there are nerds, there will hardcores.
IN CONCLUSION: casual games are fine. as long as devs don't forget about us, of course.
if you have any counter points, or reasons why I am wrong/retarded, feel free to call me out on it. One can never learn if one is never proven wrong, correct?
EDIT: I agree with the guy above me, also.
It's simple for me.
Will casual games help or hurt hardcore games and , more importantly, will they help or hurt game's development as an art form?
(yes, I went there)
hurt- I hate them
help- I love them
I don't know which way it will turn out.
They may suck funding and recources from these other kinds of games or they may bring many new people to gaming and create a stronger market for them.
We, indeed, will see.
In the mean time, I wish they would start putting some real effort into making hardcore games for the Wii and give me a solid reason to buy the thing already...
Will casual games help or hurt hardcore games and , more importantly, will they help or hurt game's development as an art form?
(yes, I went there)
hurt- I hate them
help- I love them
I don't know which way it will turn out.
They may suck funding and recources from these other kinds of games or they may bring many new people to gaming and create a stronger market for them.
We, indeed, will see.
In the mean time, I wish they would start putting some real effort into making hardcore games for the Wii and give me a solid reason to buy the thing already...
I see what you did tharrIronChuck said:
pretty much what I was trying to say. (but I am terrible and summarizing my words into something short and sweet)
1 - They are overpriced badly programmed pieces of crap that bored middle aged housewives and teenages buy and fund making them lucrative and diverting money away from good projects.
2 - Who the hell wants Farmville and Runescape earning hundreds of millions a year, why can't GOOD developers who actually make something get this cash. The 'Casual' games don't push any envelopes or expand any technology. The Wii is a frigging step back in power, it has a frigging 725 Mhz SINGLE CORE CPU. Ever been pissed when a game doesn't support crossfire, 64 bit or 4 cores, consoles like this earning billions are the cause. Why even frigging bother making half-decent code when you can slap dreamcast level technology onto a console for a tuppence and make a killing
3 - Casual games are, obviously, casual. Sure the Wii is fun but I doubt many people play it 24 hours straight. The greatest modern games can keep you playing from 10 am to 10 pm the next day, unless you have some serious issues I doubt you could stay on Wii sports all night.
4 - In comparison to most titles they are incredibly dumb with hardly any variety in tactics or playstyles, it isn't 'true' gaming.
5 - Like it or not they hurt true gaming, no big companies are going to bother paying big bucks to develop high tech engines when friggin' peggle will make you near on $1 billion. This is just my opinion but a lot of the recent releases seem to be getting less and less challenging and more 'casual'. Modern Warfare 2 was filled with cheap, easy to use guns and gimmicky killstreaks with poor balance *cough* Model 1887's *cough*. The recent C&C games have been a doddle compared to old school Red Alert Counterstrike missions which were hard as nails, inevitably casual hurts original gaming and that's not a good thing. It's like sacrificing the Mona Lisa for a bleedin crayon painting.
As for Casual games improving the reputation of normal games I think that's not happening at all. People are surprised to hear that I play many PC games and call me a game addict etc but are totally happy with themselves playing just as much on Wii's and Casual games. People don't see 'Casual' games as games, they've just been integrated into some giant lattice of douchedom.
There's also the point that I've never seen someone go 'Holy crap' at a Casual game, they generally just have a glazed hypnotized expression and play it mindlessly. No casual game has the sheer wow factor of extremely High-tech modern games, people see you playing Arma II and Crysis on maxed out graphics and just gawp; I think people enjoy 'casual' games simply because they have been too scared to properly game and only just realize how good it is. There's still a lot of stigma and prejudice out there which makes women want to stay away from High-end PC's and games despite the fact that it's very easy to learn and sort out.
2 - Who the hell wants Farmville and Runescape earning hundreds of millions a year, why can't GOOD developers who actually make something get this cash. The 'Casual' games don't push any envelopes or expand any technology. The Wii is a frigging step back in power, it has a frigging 725 Mhz SINGLE CORE CPU. Ever been pissed when a game doesn't support crossfire, 64 bit or 4 cores, consoles like this earning billions are the cause. Why even frigging bother making half-decent code when you can slap dreamcast level technology onto a console for a tuppence and make a killing
3 - Casual games are, obviously, casual. Sure the Wii is fun but I doubt many people play it 24 hours straight. The greatest modern games can keep you playing from 10 am to 10 pm the next day, unless you have some serious issues I doubt you could stay on Wii sports all night.
4 - In comparison to most titles they are incredibly dumb with hardly any variety in tactics or playstyles, it isn't 'true' gaming.
5 - Like it or not they hurt true gaming, no big companies are going to bother paying big bucks to develop high tech engines when friggin' peggle will make you near on $1 billion. This is just my opinion but a lot of the recent releases seem to be getting less and less challenging and more 'casual'. Modern Warfare 2 was filled with cheap, easy to use guns and gimmicky killstreaks with poor balance *cough* Model 1887's *cough*. The recent C&C games have been a doddle compared to old school Red Alert Counterstrike missions which were hard as nails, inevitably casual hurts original gaming and that's not a good thing. It's like sacrificing the Mona Lisa for a bleedin crayon painting.
As for Casual games improving the reputation of normal games I think that's not happening at all. People are surprised to hear that I play many PC games and call me a game addict etc but are totally happy with themselves playing just as much on Wii's and Casual games. People don't see 'Casual' games as games, they've just been integrated into some giant lattice of douchedom.
There's also the point that I've never seen someone go 'Holy crap' at a Casual game, they generally just have a glazed hypnotized expression and play it mindlessly. No casual game has the sheer wow factor of extremely High-tech modern games, people see you playing Arma II and Crysis on maxed out graphics and just gawp; I think people enjoy 'casual' games simply because they have been too scared to properly game and only just realize how good it is. There's still a lot of stigma and prejudice out there which makes women want to stay away from High-end PC's and games despite the fact that it's very easy to learn and sort out.
I suspect some of the more reasonable competitive players would object to that line of thought (or at least my telling of it), but yes.Aura Guardian said:
Happen to love Big Blue, Hanenbow, Pirate Ship, and assist trophies, myself. Tried Melee again for the first time in a while a couple weeks ago, and the only things I actually miss are Pichu, Fourside, and Pokefloats. I just like the way Brawl handles much better...though admittedly, I can see why competitive players find it disappointing.
I loved Poke Floats. But I go online with brawl like crazy and 90% of the matches are always on Final Destination. No Spear Pillar. No Luigi's Mansion. No Warioware Inc. Just Final Destination.NeutralDrow said:
Casual games are bad when they cost the same as none casual games. A 6 hour long game should not cost the same as say FF12, which is 60 hours long.
You know, I think this might destroy what little reputation I have as a cynic, but...you give people too little credit.RobJameson said:
I suspect I'm exactly the wrong audience for that statement, because I don't quite know what those things are. I'm equally certain I wouldn't care if I did.
I've got more issues than National Geographic. Why do you ask?
Ah, weasel words. Almost entertaining as <url=http://chamorrobible.org/images/photos/gpw-200703-03-UnitedStatesFishAndWildlifeService-Short-tailed-Weasel-Kanuti-NWR-Alaska.jpg>actual weasels.
By this point, I've stopped taking you seriously, but I can't resist pointing out that those old games are a piece of cake.
Pots and kettles, good sir. Pots and kettles and accusations of achromatic shades.
*<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.163654?page=1>cough*
Wow. That article was brilliant. Still doesn't excuse my biggest problem with Nintendo, which is that they need some original IPs. I love Zelda, and the Mario games are cool to, but I want something fresh.Connor Lonske said:
I just hope that Microsoft doesn't die, only because I don't want to lose all of my achievements. lol
I've been astoundingly lucky, so far (so far being "one excursion"). I managed to wind up picking the stage five times in a row...so I sent us to Shadow Moses, Skyworld, Hanenbow, Pirate Ship, and Pictochat!Aura Guardian said:
I'm guessing that meant the others were just on random, or something.