Why are MOST PC gamers full of so much hatred towards Consoles?

[nuba km]

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FPS games it comes down to personal preference and I prefer consoles and I never see why people say the computer has so much better controls for it and rpgs they only have a disadvantage to the menu system but I will give you P&C and RTS games. also at the end of my second statement I did say it comes down to personal preference which is better for me it's console for others it may be PC. also the controllers were adapted for fps games.

 

[nuba km]

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that may say more for pc gamers skill rather then platforms quality(and it is with one game which isn't really enough testing to be reliable) and trust me I have good taste in quality. The fact is I and I am sure many others don't buy rpgs for the quality of their inventory system infact one of the greatest rpg's of all time is made for consoles and can only be played on pc by mods it is pokemon and people play it because it's fun and actually requires tactics in order to win not because it's brilliant inventory system and playing on the pc won't make you any better at it. Now I will list other games which are better on consoles/controllers:
pretty much all or nintendos franchises which is a lot of games
mirrors edge
most fighting games
anything with duel stick controls e.g. ZP2KX and I made a game with zombies in it
flight simulators
racing games
platformers
that's all I can think of from the top of my head but I am sure there are more but i have listed quite a view their. now to list all games that are better on the computer:
RTS
point and click
shoot em up
pretty much everything made by valve(due to free updates and modding)
pretty much everything made by Bethesda (due to modding)
not quite as many as for console are there also I don't think mirrors edge controls were exactly simple and the controllers only disadvantage to the keyboard is less buttons but it's main advantage is more natural controls which can be used for more complex controls. it's just that it used to be one action one button but with a controller you should compress it which if done right can lead to smoother gameplay and if done wrong leads to irritating controls but unfortunately a lot of developers that have more complex controls dent to do it wrong.

 

[Macrobstar]

It's a question of standards when it comes down to it. Console games are of a lower standard. It's as simple as that.

FANBOY ALERT, seriously dude, do you know what you are saying, games are meant to entertain if someone is more entertained by a pc fair enough but the "standard" of the entertainment value of consoles is pretty good thanks, now don't mind me you just go back to being superior than the rest of us console paupers

Well, first off, they're not made to entertain, they're made to make money. That right there zings your entire point into oblivion.

Second off, even if it were true, don't you dare tell me a person who looooves any Friedberg&Seltzer movie has anything even close to being called standards. You being entertained speaks nothing of standards, what you are entertained by does. And it's been pointed out countless times that console games in general are more simple. Stupid, to put it bluntly.

[ by far, better for gaming overall.

what so games aren't made to entertain? people don't just buy them to give developers money, the deveopers make them entertaining so people will buy them thus earning them money, so i'll make this slightly more simple for you, as you obviously didn't understand me, if a game has entertained me, no matter what, there is no possible way you could argue that a pc could do that job better with slightly better graphics. If i play a game i love on console, playing it on pc(Or ANY differant platform) will not improve the experience i had the first time, same for a game i hate playing on pc won't be better, and console games aren't dumber, MAINSTREAM games are. You say higher standards, but the only high standard that matters is a high standard of entertainment, and thats already amazingly high on consoles thanks.

 

[nuba km]

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OK lets look at why pokemon is great RPG before getting to the main argument:

1. easily changed parties means you can change your party when you find out a combo doesn't work.
2. with the large variety of pokemon many tactics can be formed.
3. with the new triple battles means you have to think a lot more picking which pokemon will take most of the beating as well as who is back up.
4. with a variation of stat inflictions as well as moves that affect them differently also adds more tactics to the game.
5. with a large number of types and all pokemons having them they hold a much more important value as you pick your team and moves
6. double battles also have a lot more depth in them
7. the battle towers can have a lot of interesting tactics especially the battle factory which makes you pick from a random selection of pokemon.

that's just some of the things that add depth to pokemon and I will say this:
[HEADING=1]JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS EASY TO LEARN DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SIMPLE[/HEADING]

OK tell me how the games are exactly dumbed down apart from auto aim which is noticeable in games but isn't necessarily that big but can make people think they are better then they are also you are acting like most games have call of duty level of auto aim(i.e. ridicules). also how are console RPG'S less deep then PC RPG'S.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Wow, this thread went exactly the way I thought it would go. PC elitists being PC elitists, console users being called outright "stupid" (seriously, why the hell haven't some of these posts gotten some of you in trouble?), and really just people arguing opinion as fact (on BOTH sides, mind you). I play about equally on both my 360 and PC, and can kinda see where both sides are coming from..., but screw it, I had this whole big rant/speech going, but there's no point. Nobody here is going to change their mind on anything, so it's just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Either agree or disagree with a present argument, present your own, or stop not-contributing-while-posting to threads of this type.

I did present an argument, my argument being that this argument is pointless. You are essentially trying to convince console users that they are wrong for playing on consoles, and don't say that isn't what you're trying to do, anyone who's read your posts will call bullshit on that. That isn't going to happen, and it's just as unlikely that console users will convince you that you're wrong. Hence, this argument is pointless.

 

[nuba km]

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1- Brink many people who have played brink demos at E3 or other places similair have said that it's AI is some of the best AI they have ever seen in a game and guess what it's coming out for consoles, as consoles are improving like computers they are starting to be able to handle the same kind of stuff.

2- their are tons of games that aren't using the button lay out correctly where they could have easily made one button have more then one function without interfering with the game and used the spare buttons for other functions. just because some games decide that opening a door and opening a chest requires two different buttons and then cut it down to one button for the console release doesn't mean the game was dumbed down it just meant the controls were made simpler which mean they are less of a barrier between you and the game

3- in most games were you would need more then four weapons at the ready their are eight d-pad directions.

4-they just combined two of the suit functions and slightly changed others around this is properly because they found it overall improved game-play not because it was too complex to but on to a console controller there were four nanosuit mods and four d-pad buttons just make it if you hold a certain button it makes you switch nanosuit not weapon but they decided to make it three nanosuit mods.

as for controller versus mouse I am still going with controller from my experience who knows maybe I have just played on crap computers or I am a one in a hundred that actually is better when using controller then mouse. Also from now on I am going to see whether I can turn off aim assist in my games and if I can I will.

 

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But one more thing: The thing about aim assist I have a problem with, is not the thing itself. Its people complaining. Controller users fight against other controller users so its a non issue when the field is balanced. You could complain that Keyboards such at racing games so everyone should use a wheel or not play.

That aside, guys who say consoles are better at FPS are wrong, but they're idiots anyways.

NO.

People should not play a driving game that has steering assistance.
IF a keyboard should prove to be inadequate, then use something else. But steering assistance in a game that's all about steering is fucking retarded.

Well if thats how you play then that's fine. Some people don't want to buy a wheel and will play racing games with the keyboard, because its not about mastering the controls for them. ITs about having fun.

People have fun in different ways you know.

 

[captain underpants]

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Whether you like it or not, consoles are directly affecting PC gaming by having almost everything be released multiplatform (again, thus being developed for consoles first and foremost with almost no exceptions) or ignoring the PC altogether. I already pointed out some things, like Mafia 2 lacking a basic feature such as the jump button or the gameplay of Crysis 2 being streamlined into that which uses less buttons, do you need more examples or what? Cutting features to appeal to the console crowd is the very definition of dumbing down. To say it doesn't exist is to say you know nothing about games and the gaming industry as of late.

I don't recall saying whether I liked it or not, but whatever. Look, I don't deny that developers are concentrating more on the console market and that is effecting what gets released on PC. I never once said it 'doesn't exist', merely that the problem is being overstated. You in particular seem to have quite a bee in your bonnet about it.

And I have a clearer view of games and the games industry than you do, that much is obvious. If you think the quality or 'smartness' of a game is down to how many buttons you have to press, it's you that needs some schooling on what games are about. The fact is that for as long as there have been games, there have been both smart and dumb games. Arguably, ALL of the early arcade games are 'dumb', certainly going by your 'number of buttons' theory. (BTW, 'Arcade' used to carry the same negative connotations that 'console' or 'casual' does now.) Today we have more choice than ever, and if you can't find games that enthrall you on the platform of your choice, then you're the 'dumb' one.

Therefore, if you think that people have a right to bash consoles (I wouldn't mind), then everyone else should also be able to make a negative comment about PC gaming without everyone rushing to slit his/her throat.

See, the sad thing is that console fanboys (and I really do call the irrational people fanboys, there's no helping those poor souls), the vast majority of the time, come into a thread with stupid non-arguments and myths, and while the PC players come here with, frankly, inarguable facts, they get brushed off as PC elitists - like that is supposed to mean anything other than "I can't argue you" these days - and the console fanboy walks away from the thread right there and there. He won't take up any challenges, he won't answer any questions posed by the PC gamer that will destroy his uninformed and prejudiced opinion, he'll just come in every thread like this and do the same thing over and over.

It's happened in this thread countless times already, just read through the first few pages.

Seems to me you're playing the 'PC Fanboy' role just as well.

 

[nuba km]

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mirrors edge I don't even know if this has ever been released for the PC if it has I want to see the control scheme because I can't see a natural control scheme for that game on the computer but their properly is a control scheme but I know why consoles can't to anything that computers can't because games are made using computers so if it can't be done on a computer it can't be made into a game. Also I have played team fortress on the computer for more then a year and I still play the console version once in a while purely due to the control scheme so in a way you are preaching to an atheist which ain't gone work.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Bullshit. PC gamers are not always the first to start flamewars in this regard. Both sides start flamewars at an equal rate. Even though I doubt the OP will read this making threads like this rarely if ever help the issue the yare trying to address. In fact they usually only serve to fan the flames of war. So to answer title most PC gamers do not hate console gamers same as most console gamers do not hate PC gamers. There is a very vocal minoirty on both sides that like to incite arguments and love when threads like this pop up every now and then.

 

[nuba km]

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OK I am going to dumb down what I am trying to say to you simple PC gamer.

you are trying to argue with some one who makes decision mostly on logic about something he has experienced and came to a different conclusion and he understands and has heard most of the arguments from the people who came to the other main conclusion and therefore by just saying 'but it does work really well' won't work as an argument in this situation unless you actually give a logical explanation of why it does so. ignoring my counter points and examples with 'well they've dumbed it down' will make you seem like a less reasonable person to argue with. also when a person goes 'I may be wrong for some strange reason but I don't think so' is similar to 'I like it better' but not the same. Also pointing out that a machine designed to make something to run on another machine as well as many other things can do more then that machine isn't a clever point it's just obvious and doesn't make the first machine any better at doing what the second machine is for. As well as that if the first machine is better and cheaper at doing what the second machine does no one would buy it for nearly 20 years (it may be more or less this is just from the top of my head a.k.a my mind).

sorry for the very passive aggressive post but I dent to do that at the end of an argument with someone that argues like my brother (i.e. a brick wall).

 

[Danceofmasks]

But one more thing: The thing about aim assist I have a problem with, is not the thing itself. Its people complaining. Controller users fight against other controller users so its a non issue when the field is balanced. You could complain that Keyboards such at racing games so everyone should use a wheel or not play.

That aside, guys who say consoles are better at FPS are wrong, but they're idiots anyways.

NO.

People should not play a driving game that has steering assistance.
IF a keyboard should prove to be inadequate, then use something else. But steering assistance in a game that's all about steering is fucking retarded.

Well if thats how you play then that's fine. Some people don't want to buy a wheel and will play racing games with the keyboard, because its not about mastering the controls for them. ITs about having fun.

People have fun in different ways you know.

Umm, are you actually reading my posts?
There's nothing wrong with driving games, because they don't have steering assistance.
What's more, the problem with aim assistance has NOTHING to do with "mastering" controls. NOTHING. ZIP. NADA. ZERO. Let me say it again. It has nothing to do with learning the controls.
It has everything to do with SHIT controls, that are totally unnecessary, which THEN forces a retarded mechanic to be included in every game of the genre.

It's not about "oh I want to have fun" so "there's nothing wrong with aim assistance."

You have it completely, utterly, backwards.

IF A CONTROLLER ISN'T SHIT, PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TROUBLE AIMING WITHOUT AIM ASSISTANCE

 

[Wisteso]

Maybe I've missed any such post, but I'm surprised that no one has pointed out the long term price difference between consoles and PC platforms.

Everyday Joe knows that a console is 100-300 dollars and a decent PC is 800-3000. What Everyday Joe does not realize is that console manufacturers are selling the hardware at a loss to them and making it back on the games.

I spent 1000 on my machine that will last for 2-3 years, solidly, and a few more after that at a lesser level. However, I will pay 5-30 dollars for my games, in NEW condition, while console players will pay 50-60 dollars for their games. Often times, for the same titles. Anyone that uses Steam knows this.

There are other benefits though, such as PC players being able to download our games while console players are coupled to a dying medium (dics). PC players can run multiple monitors, so we can watch a movie or read a forum while we play. We can mod our games. We have perfect or near perfect backwards compatibility every PC game every released. Emulators to play console games... the list goes on.

Though my main point was just the TCO (total cost of ownership). The rest is just gravy.