Why are MOST PC gamers full of so much hatred towards Consoles?

[Scow2]

Ouch... some of these people are proving the OP's point while arguing about how bunk it is.

Worst Generalization I've seen so far: "Developers are dumbing down their games so the Idiots on Consoles can play them."
In my experience... there are no Full-time "Idiot Gamers" on any system. In fact, there aren't any Full Time idiots in any context. Everyone's prone to doing something stupid occassionally. But for the most part, everyone's actually as smart as you are through most of the day.

The control pad is not inherently inferior to the Keyboard+Mouse. Otherwise, the Control Pad wouldn't be so prolific. (Best influence the CP's had on game design: Basic functions on PC games aren't scattered throughout the keyboard)

I'm a low-end PC player, playing on a $300 laptop. I guess one could also call me a "Casual Gamer", because I don't invest heavily in gaming. As far as I can tell, people are getting worked up over nothing. And yes, PC gaming is currently being marginalized by console gaming, for numerous reasons.

Also, I can't see the benefit of PC gamers flaunting the 60+ FPS they get on their games, when the human eye can only process about 24.

What I do like about PC is the flexibility of the platform. I have everything I need at my fingertips.

 

[icame]

But one more thing: The thing about aim assist I have a problem with, is not the thing itself. Its people complaining. Controller users fight against other controller users so its a non issue when the field is balanced. You could complain that Keyboards such at racing games so everyone should use a wheel or not play.

That aside, guys who say consoles are better at FPS are wrong, but they're idiots anyways.

NO.

People should not play a driving game that has steering assistance.
IF a keyboard should prove to be inadequate, then use something else. But steering assistance in a game that's all about steering is fucking retarded.

Well if thats how you play then that's fine. Some people don't want to buy a wheel and will play racing games with the keyboard, because its not about mastering the controls for them. ITs about having fun.

People have fun in different ways you know.

You know PC's can use regular controllers too...right? Sorry if I come off as snotty when saying that but I'm just wondering.

 

[icame]

Also, I can't see the benefit of PC gamers flaunting the 60+ FPS they get on their games, when the human eye can only process about 24.

What I do like about PC is the flexibility of the platform. I have everything I need at my fingertips.

"If you don't want to read it all, then the short answer is, the human eye / brain combination can see well over 100 frames per second and thus far the limits have not thoroughly been tested yet. Suffice it to say, IT IS NOTHING LIKE THE 24, 30, 60 or even 100 fps crap, that gets spouted on the Internet."

http://whisper.ausgamers.com/wiki/index.php/How_many_FPS_human_eye_can_see

 

[Deleted]

But one more thing: The thing about aim assist I have a problem with, is not the thing itself. Its people complaining. Controller users fight against other controller users so its a non issue when the field is balanced. You could complain that Keyboards such at racing games so everyone should use a wheel or not play.

That aside, guys who say consoles are better at FPS are wrong, but they're idiots anyways.

NO.

People should not play a driving game that has steering assistance.
IF a keyboard should prove to be inadequate, then use something else. But steering assistance in a game that's all about steering is fucking retarded.

Well if thats how you play then that's fine. Some people don't want to buy a wheel and will play racing games with the keyboard, because its not about mastering the controls for them. ITs about having fun.

People have fun in different ways you know.

Umm, are you actually reading my posts?
There's nothing wrong with driving games, because they don't have steering assistance.
What's more, the problem with aim assistance has NOTHING to do with "mastering" controls. NOTHING. ZIP. NADA. ZERO. Let me say it again. It has nothing to do with learning the controls.
It has everything to do with SHIT controls, that are totally unnecessary, which THEN forces a retarded mechanic to be included in every game of the genre.

It's not about "oh I want to have fun" so "there's nothing wrong with aim assistance."

You have it completely, utterly, backwards.

IF A CONTROLLER ISN'T SHIT, PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TROUBLE AIMING WITHOUT AIM ASSISTANCE

Aim assist isn't a problem because it doesn't take away from the experience. Maybe it does to you but that doesn't warrant the removal of the feature. Keyboards can't do fighting game motions as well as a controller so the game has input shortcuts to help keyboards. So the keyboard is shit because it needs help?

But one more thing: The thing about aim assist I have a problem with, is not the thing itself. Its people complaining. Controller users fight against other controller users so its a non issue when the field is balanced. You could complain that Keyboards such at racing games so everyone should use a wheel or not play.

That aside, guys who say consoles are better at FPS are wrong, but they're idiots anyways.

NO.

People should not play a driving game that has steering assistance.
IF a keyboard should prove to be inadequate, then use something else. But steering assistance in a game that's all about steering is fucking retarded.

Well if thats how you play then that's fine. Some people don't want to buy a wheel and will play racing games with the keyboard, because its not about mastering the controls for them. ITs about having fun.

People have fun in different ways you know.

You know PC's can use regular controllers too...right? Sorry if I come off as snotty when saying that but I'm just wondering.

Wall yeah but I'm trying to compare the two control schemes to show that both are good and both need help in some places.

 

[Danceofmasks]

Aim assist isn't a problem because it doesn't take away from the experience. Maybe it does to you but that doesn't warrant the removal of the feature. Keyboards can't do fighting game motions as well as a controller so the game has input shortcuts to help keyboards. So the keyboard is shit because it needs help?

Hell yes playing fighting games on keyboard takes away from the experience.
If you play fighting games in the arcades for any length of time, you wouldn't touch fighting games on keyboard.

And that's the way it should be.
You have keyboard shortcuts? That's even worse.
First I'll cripple your ability to execute your moves, then I'm going to patronise you by giving any moron who couldn't actually execute those moves on a proper control scheme the means to pull them out of their asses?

Lowering the ceiling of competence twice can only make a game worse.

The pretense that console shooters are any good is one of the reasons there's no such thing as a controller that's good for shooters.
People made joysticks and wheels for the PC because they realise the keyboard is made for typing.

Simply by not acknowledging controllers are shit for shooters, the industry is crippling future shooters.
And gaming in general.

Because a lot of people only have 2 or 3 games to play. They don't realise how bad they are, even Wings of Redemption says stuff like "I like to lower my sensitivity to 1 when I use this gun, otherwise I have trouble hitting."
With sensitivity at 1, you simply can't turn fast enough around a corner.
Then Madcatz tries to come up with a solution that allows you to lower the sensitivity by holding down another button.
SERIOUSLY?

The situation with console shooters isn't just bad, it's so bad console shooter fanboys deserve to be chewed out. At every opportunity. As a favour to them.

 

[Ashsaver]

Most PC gamers are pretty okay toward consoles,and console gamers(at least,myself,those on Steam forum,and another gaming community forum I'm a member of) so the idea that PC gamers usually start a flame war against the consoles is less likely.

The only thing that PC gamers would gladly start a flame war for (that i know of) is "ATI vs Nvidia"

 

[Deleted]

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Well I agree that mouse is better than FPS than consoles. And console shooters seem to be slower paced and worse overall.

But people don't play FPS just for the controls. There are benefits that outweigh (in their opinion) the flaws with control. Playing on a couch, with friends in the same room, on a big TV, even if the game is an exclusive. I guess they just deal with the controls because it offers more things they couldn't get on PC.

 

[Ashsaver]

Don't forget Intel vs. AMD.

Ah...how could i forget that one. lol

 

[nuba km]

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Sorry for the lack of punctuation I am dyslexic and I try my best but when I start ranting about something my grammar starts going quickly down hill. OK I already said their is nothing a console can't to that a PC can to (though consoles can still play FPS's and RPG's as good as PC's) but I have made a list earlier in the argument of what a console does better, also you say half as good not twice as bad it's just proper grammar. Also it is pointless arguing with you because you are a person who see's the PC gamer as the best of gamers and that anyone who prefers a console as an absolute retard who only plays games like call of duty, therefore holding the industry back even though that is caused by the fact that a large number of non gamers see call of duty as a great game due to the fact they have nothing to compare it do. Before you deny that you are implying that console gamers are stupid:

Consoles sell better because they're easier to use. They could be twice worse than they are now and people would still lap that shit up because using PCs is too complicated for them. That's all there is to that.

that last line 'That's all there is to that' shows what presumptions you make.

Also mirrors edge shows that you can have more complex controls on the controller as long as you use the buttons wisely that's why I keep brining it up. the controls for mirrors edge are very stream lined on the controller and feel like second nature when you play the game for a while and you don't need fingers like a spider to play it. I will end this by saying this:

[h4]user friendly is not the same as stupid and when controls are very user friendly guess what? they didn't need to be complex, and complex is not the same deep guess what if controls are unnecessarily complex that doesn't make the experience deep it just makes it frustrating.[/h4]

 

[ElNeroDiablo]

Also, I can't see the benefit of PC gamers flaunting the 60+ FPS they get on their games, when the human eye can only process about 24.

It takes 24 frames per second (the same rate a movie in the cinema plays at) MINIMUM for the appearance of seamless animation. The higher the FPS (say, 25 for PAL-encoded TV and movies or 30 for NTSC-encoded TV & movies) the smoother and cleaner the animation looks to the human eye.

Also, thanks for the link up there icame.

 

[Wisteso]

Don't forget Intel vs. AMD.

This is pretty much a non-issue now. Intel has been dominating AMD in benchmarks for the last year or two, and I'm not a fanboy of either. I buy whichever is the best. ATI has also been in the lead for video cards but I prefer Nvidia's features.

Either way, you'd be an idiot for being a fanboy and not just buying the best choice for that given time.

 

[nuba km]

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OK as writing the reply I pressed control instead of shift and the page reloaded so I will be shortening things due to being tired just ask me to expand on something if you don't understand it.

I have experienced A LOT of team fortress on the computer so I have a good understanding of how a good PC FPS works and I find console controls better. I say this to people they find it weird but I can't understand how PC controls are better at FPS's then console controls I may be wrong.

matches are longer if the teams are more balanced.

free running is something complex to make into a game. they properly didn't have much founding so they made a sample of what could be done by having a large variation in maps. This is properly why it doesn't have complex levels.

Give me an example were a feature that effected the depth of the game by a noticeable amount when a game was taken from PC and adapted foe consoles. it has to be the same game it can't be a squeal because the developers had a choice of making for consoles.

I really thought you were referring to turn based RPG's seeing as they are what most people think of when you say RPG which don't really change from platform to platform. Seeing as you are talking about more WoW style RPG I will give you that but RPG's with a beat em up combat system I say are better when it comes to consoles.

 

[nuba km]

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so two games and I never knew that morrowind was released for console. and apart from those you can make presumptions. I think some of the reasons you have come to believe that PC's are better for gaming (I only agree with RTS, point and click and WoW style RPG's) is that now that consoles are prioritised PC games aren't being released with same quality the used to be and many people that only play PC see it as console games are know being concentrated on and games have become worse therefore consoles have made games worse and are worse for gaming. I think I could be completely wrong here but I think their is at least a hint of truth in what I have said.

 

[Savagezion]

Wow, this thread has all kinds of fail written all over it. With this tiny bit of win:

Because you make topics like this.

The thread started off a crass generalization about PC gamers making crass generalizations about console gamers. Can anyone spot a fallacy there? Failed out the gate.

And here, I can't seem to make a topic to get the "Hot topic" or "On Fire" badges for the life of me.

Can I have the "Why all the console/PC hate?" thread next week?