Why are people treating James Gunn as if he is some "talented director"?

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Samtemdo8 said:
1. I am super excited about the Warcraft movie aswell. There are only a few things I worry about which is I worry about some of the actors like the guy who plays the King of Stormwind, and the movie so far is not selling me with its soundtrack. It needs to have the World of Wacraft Orchestral score we love. I mean if the movie's version of Stormwind City does not have this opening track I will be pissed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUA1B3A1ZnY
That's fair, but it's still exciting that a videogame based movie might actually be good, this could be it, don't screw it up Duncan Jones, I believe in you!
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Like as if he was the next Quintin Tarantino
Samtemdo8 said:
2. Well I could say the same to Zack Snyder, he made 300 and Watchmen and I like them both ALOT so I feel he has talent aswell ;)

Or Francis Ford Coppola, he wrote for Patton, and he made Godfather, Coversation, Apocalypse Now, and Bram Stoker's Dracula, so he has talent its not like he made a bad movie.....oh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaFdSx26WM
Well I don't think anybody would argue against Francis Ford Coppola being a talented director, specially considering how much of a mess the production of Apocalypse Now was and how good the movie is despite all those problems, that man is damned good at what he does despite being a huge asshole[footnote]If you are familiar with the production of Apocalypse Now you'll understand why I say that.[/footnote].

As for Zack Snyder, he does have talent but he is mostly just style, good action and very little else, and while 300 is fun it's not particularly well written or smart, but that's mostly to do with the fact that it's an adaptation of an adaptation[footnote]By an author that's really not very good either.[/footnote] of a legend that was used as propaganda that was based on a real battle, so there's not much you can do about it, except basing it on the actual story of which there is very little data and if you did that then it wouldn't be 300 anymore and Snyder's style wouldn't have meshed well with the project.
And then there's Watchmen, which is good and easily his best movie, but he doesn't really add much of value to the source material and despite it being a decent adaptation it still manages to completely miss the point on some aspects of the graphic novel and cuts some interesting stuff in favour of adding some very stupid and pointless stuff, like that idiotic sex scene on Archie that goes on for way too long, the completely pointless addition of Nite Owl finding out about Rorschach's death and fighting Ozymandias and actually beating him which is kind of weird and out of place and much like Ozymandias points out really immature, and then there's the worst change of all which is changing the entire context of the final scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre running away, in the movie is basically everything's well for them and they live happily ever after because people think Dr. Manhattan is protecting them, which doesn't really fit the tone and grit of the story, and the original they do get to live together and happy but in hiding as fugitives was much more interesting and fitting to the story.

So really I'd attribute Watchmen being good to how good the actual source material and Snyder's knack for style, but he is too tone deaf to really do the project justice.

With that being said I don't really blame him for MoS and BvS being shit, I think he's a good fit for Superhero movies but they should really get him a better writer because he's not smart or good enough to do it himself and David S. Goyer is absolute fucking shit when it comes to writing and they should have fired him after Batman Begins, don't know why he's still there after 5 absolutely awfully written screenplays.
And I know most people love the Nolan trilogy, but I'm petty sure it would have been better without him as it might have not been completely filled with plot-holes.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
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Samtemdo8 said:
I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
No offense, but is despair the correct term we should use?
No offense taken. I mean, shit, dude, it's just movies. There's only so mad I can get about it.

That said, I stand by my word choice. Hope is the antithesis of despair, and Zack Snyder's Kal-El is the antithesis of hope, so.
 

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JimB said:
Samtemdo8 said:
JimB said:
Samtemdo8 said:
I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
No offense, but is despair the correct term we should use?
No offense taken. I mean, shit, dude, it's just movies. There's only so mad I can get about it.

That said, I stand by my word choice. Hope is the antithesis of despair, and Zack Snyder's Kal-El is the antithesis of hope, so.
1. The one last thing I will defend Superman even in this movie is that they did show him as a beacon of hope at times. I mean there were scenes where he saved people from a Katrina like Flood, Saving a portion of the Rocket Shuttle from people, and that one scene with him in what I think was Mexico where he saved people from a burning building I think? So he is capable of being a beacon of hope.

2. Yes I know its just movies, I mean I don't wanna make enemies out of anyone here in this site over freakin movies, it would be increadibly pathetic.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
JimB said:
Samtemdo8 said:
JimB said:
Samtemdo8 said:
I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
No offense, but is despair the correct term we should use?
No offense taken. I mean, shit, dude, it's just movies. There's only so mad I can get about it.

That said, I stand by my word choice. Hope is the antithesis of despair, and Zack Snyder's Kal-El is the antithesis of hope, so.
1. The one last thing I will defend Superman even in this movie is that they did show him as a beacon of hope at times. I mean there were scenes where he saved people from a Katrina like Flood, Saving a portion of the Rocket Shuttle from people, and that one scene with him in what I think was Mexico where he saved people from a burning building I think? So he is capable of being a beacon of hope.

2. Yes I know its just movies, I mean I don't wanna make enemies out of anyone here in this site over freakin movies, it would be increadibly pathetic.
With what you are doing in the past couple of weeks, that already makes you pathetic.
But I stand by with what I think of Marvel and DC stuff and have no shame of it.

But I am not gonna make this dominate my life with people. And I certainly am not gonna take away other people's opinions away from them.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
The one last thing I will defend Superman even in this movie is that they did show him as a beacon of hope at times.
I disagree that a person can ever be a beacon of an emotion he never has displayed.