Why Are Stoners Typically Depicted as Stupid?

7ru7h

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sofrekinbored said:
Probably because their not smart enough to stay away from what kills them and its illegal for a reasons
*Engage Rant*

...where to start with that statement. I guess, start at the beginning. When saying someone else is stupid, or agreeing in a thread about it, try to do a cursory spelling and grammar check. Next, if you think weed can kill, you are a moron. Alcohol and tobacco are both legal, yet they are both far more addicting and deadly (yet they are still legal). And finally, before you go spouting whatever BS line that your parents or local DARE office told you, why don't you take two seconds and GOOGLE IT [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+is+marijuana+illegal] and you might find that they lied to you [http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/].

/Rant

God I hate misinformed people who think they have a clue
 

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I don't wish to deny anyone anything, and I never once passed judgement on anyone who smokes...I smoke. But I've never used a vaporizer, and never met anyone who owns one...so I have most likely been doing myself damage...I also eat too much sugar, but that isn't entirely relevent other than as an example of me not thinking that things that are potentially harmful...aren't worthwhile.

Maybe I'm not the most informed on the cutting edge methods of use, but at least I'm not guilty of the "you're with us, or against us!" mentality that has been directed at me, simply for not being willing to say that smoking weed is entirely without consequence. It's childish...
I'll admit that an adversarial stance on the issue isn't healthy, but for the most part, stoners are very live-and-let-live until someone starts persecuting them. Also, vaporizer technology is something that a lot of my "smoke weed err'day" friends are still impressed by, because it generally doesn't get a lot of exposure. That, and they're generally a lot more complex and expensive than a bong, pipe, or rolling papers. They're usually only for people who are aware of how much cannabis they consume, how it could potentially effect their health (I won't argue that inhaling smoke means ingesting carcinogens), and adjust accordingly... even if vaporizers do have a plethora of other benefits outside of health-related matters.

On a semi-related tangent, I think it bears pointing out that all the "because you're too stupid to live a good life" reactions that incite such adversarial reactions in this thread are a direct result of some of the more recent anti-cannabis campaigns, which appeal directly to one's ego. When you tell people that a substance is evil, that's generally going to elicit the same jaded "heard that one before. Guess I won't do it, but I don't feel very strongly on the issue at all, and might even find out for myself what it's really like if given ample opportunity" reaction as could be expected. However, someone in charge of turning people against cannabis realized that if you tell people that not doing something makes them better than someone else, they've got a reason to cling to the idea (for reference, see the "above the influence" campaign where all drug users are painted with the black-and-white morality brush as the "bad guys", and the people that don't are paragons of humanity and an example of heroism to all). If you give people a sense of pride for simply not doing something, you're going to have people all too happy to preach on matters they have no real knowledge of. Hence, the "straight edge" movement, where it's not enough for people to simply decide not to enjoy intoxicating substances, but to make an annoying, overbearing lifestyle out of it, as well.

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with these people, but they are fucking tiresome to deal with, as it's the same as any other situation where you would try to reason with someone who is completely convinced that they're superior to you, regardless of whatever logic you throw at them in retaliation. They give unsolicited opinions on why they're better than you, and generally need to get the fuck over themselves and stop patting themselves on the back for making a personal choice that isn't really an answer to anything. They're smug, condescending, all too happy to list every last reason why you should strive to be as amazing as they are, and overly willing to tell you about how they're convinced that they're all in on some big secret to life that everybody else hasn't been intelligent enough to catch on to.

These people give all sorts of hollow, often-fallacious arguments as to why cannabis is evil. As a result, when an argument is presented based on their familiar mode of logic, it's only natural to get assume that you're dealing with one of those people and to become very defensive, and very pissy. You, obviously, are not one of those people, but unless you go out of your way to point this out, people are going to assume the worst of you and become passive-aggressive, at best.
 

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Because they are.

They spend all their money on a plant that makes them happy, instead of actually going to trying to grasp happiness themselves. I can bet you that most stoners close to a pawn shop, has pawned some of their stuff just to get the artificial happiness that weed gives you. While I may not be against weed itself, or the consumption of it, I hate it when people are lazier and happier than me >:p
 

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Stoners can do stupid things when high. It happens. But, thats just part of the stereotype. Its funny and helps us classify people in our head. However, you would agree that not all Americans are white republicans, or that the Dutch all wear clogs and have braids. And sure, the media is trying to fight marijuana. But seriously, have you seen those "Above the Influence" commercials? Thats just ridiculous. There are irresponsible/ stupid people out there, who smoke pot. But there are also a large portion who lead productive lives.
 

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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
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Angel_0A said:
I think the problem is people are confusing the idea of stupid.
Was John Lennon stupid?
Were Bob Dylan or Jimmi Hendrix?
Hendrix took 9 of a sleeping pill that you typically take a half of one, I love the guy...but that's less than smart if you don't want to die.

OT: Exaggeration is the easiest way to flesh out a character, especially for comedic purposes.


7ru7h said:
Sporky111 said:
Last I checked, spending your money on addictive, illegal substances isn't a sign of intelligence.
Well, first of all, pot isn't addictive. You may develop a psychological craving for the drug, but it is not addictive. As for the second bit of that (illegal substance), there are other substances out there that are even more addictive and worse for you (see tobacco and alcohol). If anything, it would make more sense to waste your money on the non-addictive, mind-altering illegal substance, rather than spending money on actually addictive substances that will give you many more problems quicker.

RIOgreatescapist said:
weed kills your brains cells which has for consequence the effect of making you stupid, simple as.
Source? Because I would love to see the proof that pot kills braincells (kinda like alcohol does - but wait, that doesn't count because it's ok since it is legal), especially since they have done studies that say that pot can slow the advance of Alzheimer's (that's the funky disease that kills your brain cells, and destroys your memory)
Neither directly kill brain cells, but that's not to say that they both can't lead to problems.
That's not exactly true. I have seen no evidence that comes close to saying that pot as brain damaging effects (and I've seen a lot of stuff in the news about the positive effects that pot can have on your brain), but there is scientific proof that alcohol kills brain cells (by starving the brain of oxygen IIRC).

Sure, alcohol and pot can lead to problems, but the negative effects of the two substances are in two entirely different leagues
Yes they are... And what I said was purposely vague, I didn't specify brain problems...I just said problems.
Even disregarding brain problems specifically, and moving into the general problems that both substances cause, they are in two entirely different leagues, even more so than if you just look at the brain.

At most, pot would damage your lungs directly, and that's only if you smoke it. Alcohol on the other hand can cause problems with your entire body, specifically the brain and liver. Also, when was the last time you heard of someone overdosing on either substance? Pot? never. Alcohol? That's damned near a daily occurrence.
And you're assuming that I'm anti-weed and pro-alcohol? Neither is true, but I'm pro-choice on both. I've already stated that I think it should be legal, and that I know it is enjoyable...
I wasn't assuming you were anti-weed and pro-alcohol, I was just trying to correct what seemed like a misinformed person.
All I'm saying is that "weed is definitly consequence free" is a silly position to take...that's all. Other substances being worse is frankly irrelevent to the point I was making.
I have never said that weed is consequence free, hell, there are consequences to everything you do whether legal or not, doctor recommended or not.

But saying that, compared to other legal means to reach a mentally altered state, pot is relatively consequence free isn't relevant just seems like you are trying to demonize marijuana and over look stuff that is legal and much worse.
 

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dfcrackhead said:
I wouldn't doubt it's some sort of anti-weed propaganda lol
Pretty much this.

"Hey kids, look at these losers! You wouldn't wanna end up like them would you? Of course not! So don't do drugs! And remember to buy more of our stuff!!"
Also this...


Gotta love 1930's exploitation films.
 

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For my part I know a lot of people who smoke weed. And being an engineering student among other engineering students, they aren't stupid in that low IQ kind of a way.

They just get so slow and nonchalant that when your working on a project that has a strict schedule you just want to slap them upside the head, tell them to cut that crap out of their system for a few days, and put the pedal to the metal.

I find it less stupid and more frustrating that these students choose to limit their own abilities by slowing themselves, and their thinking, down.
 

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Julianking93 said:
This is something I've been wondering for a while now. In movies, TV shows, literature and even just the common image that comes to mind on this subject always seems to show stoners (or anyone who uses any drug of any kind) as being incredibly stupid and weak minded.

But why is this?

For me, it's the exact opposite. All the stoners I know are actually extremely intelligent and often times are brilliant in their own ways. So why is it that the general public and the media depict weed smokers as unintelligent and borderline retarded?

Is it because the media wishes to give drugs as much shit as possible, so in turn they show the users as stupid because of their drug use rather than just being stupid in the first place? Or is it actually true that most of them are just stupid and I am lucky to know the few intellectual dopers?

What does the Escapist think about this and do you yourself do any drugs of the sort?
It's called a stereotype. Same question can be posed about why people say Jews are thrifty or Catholic priests are child molesters.

And yes, I dabble in drugs occasionally. Nothing excessive like heroin though.
 

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It's probably because most people buy into the whole reefer madness and the 'above the influence' bullshit.

They depict stoners as lazy, useless bums because they don't want more people to start smoking weed. If you're exposed to those depictions at a young age, it forms a lasting opinion in your mind until you actually try it. At that point you realize it's not nearly as bad as it's made out to be.
 

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Neonic-Ink said:
I commend you, sir for being one of the more rational and logical people in this thread (not that everyone else isn't) but you have an extremely valid point and I like your use of that movie as an example.
 
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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
I don't wish to deny anyone anything, and I never once passed judgement on anyone who smokes...I smoke. But I've never used a vaporizer, and never met anyone who owns one...so I have most likely been doing myself damage...I also eat too much sugar, but that isn't entirely relevent other than as an example of me not thinking that things that are potentially harmful...aren't worthwhile.

Maybe I'm not the most informed on the cutting edge methods of use, but at least I'm not guilty of the "you're with us, or against us!" mentality that has been directed at me, simply for not being willing to say that smoking weed is entirely without consequence. It's childish...
I'll admit that an adversarial stance on the issue isn't healthy, but for the most part, stoners are very live-and-let-live until someone starts persecuting them. Also, vaporizer technology is something that a lot of my "smoke weed err'day" friends are still impressed by, because it generally doesn't get a lot of exposure. That, and they're generally a lot more complex and expensive than a bong, pipe, or rolling papers. They're usually only for people who are aware of how much cannabis they consume, how it could potentially effect their health (I won't argue that inhaling smoke means ingesting carcinogens), and adjust accordingly... even if vaporizers do have a plethora of other benefits outside of health-related matters.

On a semi-related tangent, I think it bears pointing out that all the "because you're too stupid to live a good life" reactions that incite such adversarial reactions in this thread are a direct result of some of the more recent anti-cannabis campaigns, which appeal directly to one's ego. When you tell people that a substance is evil, that's generally going to elicit the same jaded "heard that one before. Guess I won't do it, but I don't feel very strongly on the issue at all, and might even find out for myself what it's really like if given ample opportunity" reaction as could be expected. However, someone in charge of turning people against cannabis realized that if you tell people that not doing something makes them better than someone else, they've got a reason to cling to the idea (for reference, see the "above the influence" campaign where all drug users are painted with the black-and-white morality brush as the "bad guys", and the people that don't are paragons of humanity and an example of heroism to all). If you give people a sense of pride for simply not doing something, you're going to have people all too happy to preach on matters they have no real knowledge of. Hence, the "straight edge" movement, where it's not enough for people to simply decide not to enjoy intoxicating substances, but to make an annoying, overbearing lifestyle out of it, as well.

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with these people, but they are fucking tiresome to deal with, as it's the same as any other situation where you would try to reason with someone who is completely convinced that they're superior to you, regardless of whatever logic you throw at them in retaliation. They give unsolicited opinions on why they're better than you, and generally need to get the fuck over themselves and stop patting themselves on the back for making a personal choice that isn't really an answer to anything. They're smug, condescending, all too happy to list every last reason why you should strive to be as amazing as they are, and overly willing to tell you about how they're convinced that they're all in on some big secret to life that everybody else hasn't been intelligent enough to catch on to.

These people give all sorts of hollow, often-fallacious arguments as to why cannabis is evil. As a result, when an argument is presented based on their familiar mode of logic, it's only natural to get assume that you're dealing with one of those people and to become very defensive, and very pissy. You, obviously, are not one of those people, but unless you go out of your way to point this out, people are going to assume the worst of you and become passive-aggressive, at best.
Well said. I know full well how infuriating it is to have people look down their noses at you.

I haven't been aware of any such recent campaigns, probably because I'm not American. I don't remember really hearing anything more than "whatever you're doing, be careful", even when I was at school.

I made a fairly innocuous and self contained statement, and was subsoquently told what my values are...and then had them attacked(strawman much?). It's a testament to how laughably polarized this debate has become.
 

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Mimsofthedawg said:
Julianking93 said:
Susan Arendt said:
Publicly admitting to committing a crime really isn't in your best interests.
Did I say that I smoke weed?

Because I don't, I'm merely asking if anyone here does and it didn't seem like that much of a problem before. I've seen people here admit it.
wow. You got susan Arendt to reply to your thread. You're either brilliant or a complete dumbass then. Regardless, I'm impressed.

anyways...

OP: there's a variety of reasons, however by and large, potheads aren't as intelligent as they could be. Most people have been talking with anecdotal evidence... since there's evidence that maryjewanna has toxins that DO destroy your brain, I'm sticking with science!
Do you have a source for your "science"? Also, if it is just because it is dangerous, why are alcohol and tobacco legal?
 

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Because "stoner" is a term for a person that smokes weed when they shouldn't. Like right before work or class or as is often the case ALL THE TIME. People think "stoners" are stupid because they can't control themselves.
 

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Mimsofthedawg said:
wow. You got susan Arendt to reply to your thread. You're either brilliant or a complete dumbass then. Regardless, I'm impressed.
I'm not a dumbass. At least I don't think I am.

Either way, it may just be an interesting topic and she's responded to a few of mine before.
 
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7ru7h said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
7ru7h said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
7ru7h said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
7ru7h said:
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Angel_0A said:
I think the problem is people are confusing the idea of stupid.
Was John Lennon stupid?
Were Bob Dylan or Jimmi Hendrix?
Hendrix took 9 of a sleeping pill that you typically take a half of one, I love the guy...but that's less than smart if you don't want to die.

OT: Exaggeration is the easiest way to flesh out a character, especially for comedic purposes.


7ru7h said:
Sporky111 said:
Last I checked, spending your money on addictive, illegal substances isn't a sign of intelligence.
Well, first of all, pot isn't addictive. You may develop a psychological craving for the drug, but it is not addictive. As for the second bit of that (illegal substance), there are other substances out there that are even more addictive and worse for you (see tobacco and alcohol). If anything, it would make more sense to waste your money on the non-addictive, mind-altering illegal substance, rather than spending money on actually addictive substances that will give you many more problems quicker.

RIOgreatescapist said:
weed kills your brains cells which has for consequence the effect of making you stupid, simple as.
Source? Because I would love to see the proof that pot kills braincells (kinda like alcohol does - but wait, that doesn't count because it's ok since it is legal), especially since they have done studies that say that pot can slow the advance of Alzheimer's (that's the funky disease that kills your brain cells, and destroys your memory)
Neither directly kill brain cells, but that's not to say that they both can't lead to problems.
That's not exactly true. I have seen no evidence that comes close to saying that pot as brain damaging effects (and I've seen a lot of stuff in the news about the positive effects that pot can have on your brain), but there is scientific proof that alcohol kills brain cells (by starving the brain of oxygen IIRC).

Sure, alcohol and pot can lead to problems, but the negative effects of the two substances are in two entirely different leagues
Yes they are... And what I said was purposely vague, I didn't specify brain problems...I just said problems.
Even disregarding brain problems specifically, and moving into the general problems that both substances cause, they are in two entirely different leagues, even more so than if you just look at the brain.

At most, pot would damage your lungs directly, and that's only if you smoke it. Alcohol on the other hand can cause problems with your entire body, specifically the brain and liver. Also, when was the last time you heard of someone overdosing on either substance? Pot? never. Alcohol? That's damned near a daily occurrence.
And you're assuming that I'm anti-weed and pro-alcohol? Neither is true, but I'm pro-choice on both. I've already stated that I think it should be legal, and that I know it is enjoyable...
I wasn't assuming you were anti-weed and pro-alcohol, I was just trying to correct what seemed like a misinformed person.
All I'm saying is that "weed is definitly consequence free" is a silly position to take...that's all. Other substances being worse is frankly irrelevent to the point I was making.
I have never said that weed is consequence free, hell, there are consequences to everything you do whether legal or not, doctor recommended or not.

But saying that, compared to other legal means to reach a mentally altered state, pot is relatively consequence free isn't relevant just seems like you are trying to demonize marijuana and over look stuff that is legal and much worse.
To my mind, a lack of an all encompassing view is a good thing. I think you can talk about weed without envoking cigarettes and booze, it's entirely relevent to whether it should be legal or not, but it's not relevent to whether it is harmful, is it not better to judge it on it's own merits?