Why Are Stoners Typically Depicted as Stupid?
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Well most drugs either make you slower or drive you insane with addiction so that's probably it. Marijuana may have a less drastic effect but it still works similarly. I have only one thing to say about marijuana though: you're doing something illegal that is both unnecessary and potentially harmful to you're health for a little bit of pleasure. Does that seem smart?
I thought I said I don't smoke weed at all? I didn't?Treblaine said:
Damn, I thought I did.
Well, at any rate, I don't do any drugs myself at all. I've just known stoners who are incredibly smart.
As for what they've said...well nothing really in particular, but they're just genuinely intelligent people. Odd though that they're all very philosophical types.
HmmmmmmmmmmmmmJulianking93 said:
very suspicious of those "philosophical types", all too often (but not always) they spend all day coming up with contorted rationalisations rather than come up with anything meaningful. Too often it descends into semantic babbling where it seems the aim is more to confound the other than actually reach some reasoned understanding.
Also, philosophy and intelligence are not necessarily mutually inclusive. Yes, there is overlap, but intelligence implies more than mere grasp of broad ideas, ideologies and perceptions of the universe but the actual objective SCIENCE of the world we live in.
How often are there discussions of matters of certainty that may require pen+paper to do some calculations? How often is there outside-the-box thinking in terms of problem solving or understanding of the nature of a situation like if they are being ripped off paying for something?
I mean how often do they talk about politics from a neutral perspective? That both the Right and the Left have different things to contribute with their varying strengths and weaknesses moving towards some sort of consensus?
There's actually a law. In the US, the rating board requires that people who use drugs must be either violent, stupid, or losers. You're not allowed to have a positive character who smokes pot, because the government doesn't want people to see that character as a role model.Julianking93 said:
Look, I know where you're going with this, but trust me, they are intelligent people.Treblaine said:
Politics and philosophy are just they're strong suits.
As for they're political views, yes, they're typically neutral when it comes to that and take the good and bad of both sides.
At least, that's how they were when I last talked to them.
I figured that was the case especially considering a certain movie last year when they didn't want a female protagonist to be a smoker, so they opted to make her an idiot instead.Chamale said:
Well if opportunity allows I'd like to hear from them. Get them to post here or point me to a website where they have posted. Do they contribute anywhere like artwork, mods, code, technical support forums or scientific websites like Popular Mechanics (not THAT scientific I know)?Julianking93 said:
Unfortunately all the examples I have seen of regular cannabis smokers is they THINK they are smart but that is about it and that CAN lead to a lot philosophical babble, where you can sound really intelligent... but where is the objective measurement of that? It's easy to just say wild shit and go over everyone's heads to sound smart.
But that's only when they are high, sober up* and they seem to make a 100% recovery to "normal" and all science points to no permanent mental impairment to adults at least (VERY bad for kids under 18 though, measurable negative affects to brain development).
(* my understanding is cannabis is hard to 100% sober up from, unlike water soluble alcohol that your liver can filter out completely in 24 hours... the active chemicals in cannabis tend to linger for a while, especially after heavy smoking sessions. So even if you only smoke once a day you can be almost permanently baked.)
First, where the hell did I say that pot was harmless? In response to your first point (about why it is illegal), I was just saying that it is not illegal because of how "harmful" it is, it is illegal because of shit like racism, yellow journalism, corruption and corporate profits. Sure it slows your reaction times, but as long as you are not doing anything that requires split-second responses, that is far from a negative effect. And as for the legalization aspect, I agree whole heartedly with you there. Hell, not only would legalization bring in a lot of revenue for the government, but it would also save money that is wasted on the drug war and people who are in prison for years for pot crimes.XinfiniteX said:
Second, not all drunk people think they are invincible. Some do, but then again, some people think they are invincible sober. Just because some people react negatively to it doesn't mean everyone will.
And now for your final paragraph. Pot doesn't just help Alzheimer's sufferers, but can also prevent or delay the symptoms from appearing. That is one redeeming quality. It has others, such as greatly reducing pain, allowing people to eat, calming anxiety, etc. And as for the "proven" effects of pot, you are incorrect. They have not proven that pot causes any of those things, there is just a correlation between pot smoking and increased risk for those disorders. And they can't say "this man would never had gotten this disorder if he didn't smoke pot" because they don't know that, since there are innumerable variables that could have contributed to it.
And, while you didn't compare pot to alcohol or tobacco, you can't expect someone to counter the argument of "it is illegal because it is dangerous" without pointing at the fact that it is no where near as dangerous as legal drugs (and if you really want to hear something amusing, it tends to be less dangerous/has less side effects than most prescription drugs).
On one final note, you say that pot is dangerous, but so what? There are many things that are dangerous that are legal, but compared to them pot is quite tame, and had MANY more good qualities than bad.
You can replace the word marijuana with many things. Recreational sex, playing football, driving, watching TV, using a computer. They can all be harmful, only difference is that they are legal.Theron Julius said:
What's the point of living if we duck out of things that give us pleasure? Great, I might reach 90 instead of 80, but so what? What is that extra 10, boring years going to do for me?
Cannabis does linger in the sense that it is detectable for up to a week or two, possibly as long as a month if you were a severe pot smoker. However, the actual psychosis effects, ie: the high, can not last more than a couple hours off a single session, followed by possibly a few hours of, shall we say recovery, where one is generally a bit hazy and tired. In other words, burnt out. Alcohol tho, for example, if you consume enough to get to a similar level of intoxication - and this depends greatly on ther person - can last for several hours followed by sickness and headaches.Treblaine said:
there are 1000s of different strains of weed also, some have a speedy type uppgty high to them, some have a downer type syrupy type buzz to them, some will smash your brains to jelly, and there are all shades inbetween.
bottom line give a dumb person a joint and they will giggle and act stupid as all get out.
give a smart person a joint and they pretty much act the same maybe a little more chatty and introspective.
one place i worked at the top sales guy in the office was a dead head had kids and still toked.
my uncle toked all his life worked hard and still partakes, he is one of the smartest people you might ever meet, down to earth, can speak and write russian, chineese, french, and 2 or three other languages, hold multiple belts in different martial art forms, bow hunts, gun hunts, and is one of the few people in my family that will never stab you in the back will be up front with you and will have your back if you need it. yes he gets a little slow when he is really baked, but that does not stop him from getting done what he needs to do and he works like a dog.
people that toke are more likely to be calm watch a movie, play a video game and get along with people, people that are drunk are as likely to be asses to each other get into fights and get violent. lest i never seen two pot heads get into a fight for no reason and my mother's drunk husband can be a royal ass when drunk abrasive rude and short tempered, and had drunk friends go at each other for some stupid drunk reason.
think bill hicks said it best "drugs have done good things for people, if you don't think drugs have done good things for people, go home tonight take all your albums all your tapes and all your cds and burn them. because you know all those musicians that have enhanced your lives throughout the years, real bleeping high on drugs."
nevermind that half your religions would not exist without some guy in a desert eating cactus or toking some herb and hallucinating their butts off.
weed is illegal cause of a circular argument, drugs are illegal because drug are bad and drugs are bad because they are illegal. circular arguments are the weakest and most fail arguments you can concoct. weed is also very hard to regulate, you just need some dirt some light and water and you can have some weed plants. unlike brewing booze in your basement. where you need a certain amount of equipment and basic chemistry to make decent booze.
nevermind that almost all government reports and spin about weed is utter and complete bs. that under scrutiny or just reading the entire reports they often take out of context to make certain claims but fall off the wagon when you read the reports themselves.
and the fact that they always lie about the drug use numbers blatantly, claiming well our drug war fewer kids use weed and other drugs, which is completely false usage is up. hard drug usage is way up and pot is slightly up.
or the fact they try to show that holland and other places that have legalized drugs are just a bunch of junkies that cannot even function. and that their societies are on the brink of collapse because they have allowed people to use drugs. and everyone in the entire country is strung out on weed and h crack and meth and whatever.
drug users are portrayed as stupid and junkies because well they usually in comedies where it is funny for cheap laughs. or they anti drug propaganda and they are used for shock effect. stoners are just like any other people some are smart some are average some are dumb period.
bottom line give a dumb person a joint and they will giggle and act stupid as all get out.
give a smart person a joint and they pretty much act the same maybe a little more chatty and introspective.
one place i worked at the top sales guy in the office was a dead head had kids and still toked.
my uncle toked all his life worked hard and still partakes, he is one of the smartest people you might ever meet, down to earth, can speak and write russian, chineese, french, and 2 or three other languages, hold multiple belts in different martial art forms, bow hunts, gun hunts, and is one of the few people in my family that will never stab you in the back will be up front with you and will have your back if you need it. yes he gets a little slow when he is really baked, but that does not stop him from getting done what he needs to do and he works like a dog.
people that toke are more likely to be calm watch a movie, play a video game and get along with people, people that are drunk are as likely to be asses to each other get into fights and get violent. lest i never seen two pot heads get into a fight for no reason and my mother's drunk husband can be a royal ass when drunk abrasive rude and short tempered, and had drunk friends go at each other for some stupid drunk reason.
think bill hicks said it best "drugs have done good things for people, if you don't think drugs have done good things for people, go home tonight take all your albums all your tapes and all your cds and burn them. because you know all those musicians that have enhanced your lives throughout the years, real bleeping high on drugs."
nevermind that half your religions would not exist without some guy in a desert eating cactus or toking some herb and hallucinating their butts off.
weed is illegal cause of a circular argument, drugs are illegal because drug are bad and drugs are bad because they are illegal. circular arguments are the weakest and most fail arguments you can concoct. weed is also very hard to regulate, you just need some dirt some light and water and you can have some weed plants. unlike brewing booze in your basement. where you need a certain amount of equipment and basic chemistry to make decent booze.
nevermind that almost all government reports and spin about weed is utter and complete bs. that under scrutiny or just reading the entire reports they often take out of context to make certain claims but fall off the wagon when you read the reports themselves.
and the fact that they always lie about the drug use numbers blatantly, claiming well our drug war fewer kids use weed and other drugs, which is completely false usage is up. hard drug usage is way up and pot is slightly up.
or the fact they try to show that holland and other places that have legalized drugs are just a bunch of junkies that cannot even function. and that their societies are on the brink of collapse because they have allowed people to use drugs. and everyone in the entire country is strung out on weed and h crack and meth and whatever.
drug users are portrayed as stupid and junkies because well they usually in comedies where it is funny for cheap laughs. or they anti drug propaganda and they are used for shock effect. stoners are just like any other people some are smart some are average some are dumb period.
It's all a freaking conspiracy maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn!
But in all honesty I do smoke pot from time to time and I don't see myself as particularly stupid. However I do know some people who smoke it all the time and it does definatly have an effect on your motivation.
Maybe it is just all about finding that right balance.
But in all honesty I do smoke pot from time to time and I don't see myself as particularly stupid. However I do know some people who smoke it all the time and it does definatly have an effect on your motivation.
Maybe it is just all about finding that right balance.
Stoner's are typically depicted as stupid because they are. I'm not trying to be immflammatory but here's the thing: Have you actually ever spent time around a stoner(s) when you weren't yourself stoned? They're the most annoying, slow, bumbling, lazy group of people that have ever lived. Most stoners just don't notice it because they're stoned at the same time. Invite one over to your house and abstain from pot through the duration of the visit and you'll find someone who thinks they're the smartest, wittiest person on the planet, can't do anything without freaking out or vocalizing every damn thing, and knicks all the food from your refrigerator.
In case you can't tell from my post, I don't drink or do drugs for several reasons. One, they're bad for your health. Don't feed me that whole dreck about how smoking pot isn't unhealthy, it's been proven to be worse for your lungs then cigarettes. Secondly, anybody who feels the need to alter their personality/perception with chemicals is either desperately unhappy with themselves and are trying whatever they can to have a less boring life, or ARE just that boring.
In case you can't tell from my post, I don't drink or do drugs for several reasons. One, they're bad for your health. Don't feed me that whole dreck about how smoking pot isn't unhealthy, it's been proven to be worse for your lungs then cigarettes. Secondly, anybody who feels the need to alter their personality/perception with chemicals is either desperately unhappy with themselves and are trying whatever they can to have a less boring life, or ARE just that boring.
The problem is that the effect of pot makes someone's ambitions go out the window. Of course, they're very calm, collected people, but their give-a-shit-o-meter dives into the negative. Intelligent people who smoke pot will (in my observations) get a brief stint of interesting ideas, then slow down... Then slow waaay down. Then just stop doing anything.
This doesn't make them stupid, but it makes them look like they are.
This doesn't make them stupid, but it makes them look like they are.
Plainly. I think it happens because most writers just aren?t that talented and have to rely on cheap gags for humor.
I know where OP is coming from. I would have to say most of the geniuses (I mean literally: they have genius IQs) I?ve known were pot smokers and one or two of them smoke quite heavily.
Of course I also know a few potheads that are complete vegetables.
What have we learned? Stereotypes shouldn?t be taken literally. They come from somewhere but shouldn?t be relied on.
There are also Asians who drive really well and black people who tip really well.
I know where OP is coming from. I would have to say most of the geniuses (I mean literally: they have genius IQs) I?ve known were pot smokers and one or two of them smoke quite heavily.
Of course I also know a few potheads that are complete vegetables.
What have we learned? Stereotypes shouldn?t be taken literally. They come from somewhere but shouldn?t be relied on.
There are also Asians who drive really well and black people who tip really well.