why are there no WW1 games?
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Because everyone would die in the attack and you wouldn't advance anywhere.
The war was a stalemate for four years. Fifteen million casualities to accomplish nothing. You spend every battle in the same trench, running headfirst into machine gun positions watching everyone around you die.
The war didn't even end in victory for either side. It ended in an armistice.
The war was a stalemate for four years. Fifteen million casualities to accomplish nothing. You spend every battle in the same trench, running headfirst into machine gun positions watching everyone around you die.
The war didn't even end in victory for either side. It ended in an armistice.
Why no WWI games?
Because chances are that no one would buy a game about sitting in a muddy trench for months at a time with a few thousand other guys and a pile of your own filth, watching your feet rot off, and then either being poisoned by mustard gas or having your brains blasted out the instant you stick your head up too far.
Because chances are that no one would buy a game about sitting in a muddy trench for months at a time with a few thousand other guys and a pile of your own filth, watching your feet rot off, and then either being poisoned by mustard gas or having your brains blasted out the instant you stick your head up too far.
Probably because the guns were crappy and the trench warfare would be hard to do and still be fun in an FPS. An RTS on the other hand could work, but it's not the best time period to choose.
Because the Americans did jack shit in it, so they can't really commercialize their past successes. And the rest of the world wouldnt anyways.
Plus, trench warfare, with the occasional steam tank doesnt strike too many people as interesting gameplay.
Plus, trench warfare, with the occasional steam tank doesnt strike too many people as interesting gameplay.
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2/ Buy this pack
1/ Stop complaining there aren't any
2/ Buy this pack
The Korean War would be a great basis for a game, especially because it has great turning points, such as the landing at Inchon and the retreat of the X Corps. The only game that's ever managed to pull off the conflict between North and South Korea is Mercenaries, albeit in a present-time setting, and that game was is of the games I continue to enjoy regularly.xmetatr0nx said:
I guess FPS trench warfare wouldn't be the best style of gameplay. I agree that it would work better as an RTS. I know that it's been said hundreds of times before.
guys, i just figured out the c++ system, so now i'm actually trying to make my own ww1 game (i've studied on noroff, a game design school in my country) and i'll post the link for download here when i'm done (a far far time in the future...)
A monstrosity of a WW1 thread if anyone's interested
Here's how I think it could be done, a combination of scripted scenes, but mostly procedurally generated stuff.
The game would start with a pretty standard tutorial, learning how to use rifles, grenades etc. But emphasizing the rigid social structure at the time and the colonial jingoism at the start "tut, tut the war will be over by christmas and we won't have given the kraut a sufficient walloping". You'd probably be a reserve officer or something, fresh faced and straight out of school.
The first mission would be heavily scripted, you getting ready to go over the top for a charge. The atmosphere would be incredibly tense, from the music, the soldiers muttering and the sound of artillery fire. You'd feel scared of going over the top.
Then you'd leap over and run through no man's land while machine guns and artillery obliterate everyone around you horrifically, not a cinematic but rather if you bother to turn to the left you'll see a couple of men ripped to pieces by machine gun fire. Eventually a shell would land near you and you'd pass out.
You'd awake in hospital for a brief moment before it blacks out.
Now the bulk of the game would be about a single large area, your lines (+ no man's land and the germans) and perhaps the nearest village you billet at while on rest.
The game would a fps with rpg elements like STALKER, there'd be NPCs from officers who'd issue you orders, to supply clerks or medical officers who ask you favours (like bringing them so much of x) and just soldiers with great accents and funny senses of humour.
At your lines you'd be able to walk around reasonably safely, you'd have to be careful and crouch through sniper trouble spots, wade through the muck with rats and every now and then you'd hear the crump of artillery and have to seek cover or hit the bottom of the trench.
No man's land would be ever changing and initially very frightening, but eventually you'd begin to learn safe spots, good sniper vantages and the quickest routes as you went out on night patrols. It would change each sometimes not by much, at other times huge differences. Every now and then a flare would go up illuminating the whole area before fading leaving it darker then it was before until your eye readjust.
Missions would consist of repelling German attacks (sometimes fighting in the trenches), assisting artillery and mortars, sniping the German lines, scouting no man's land, ambushing patrols in no man's land, retrieving wounded and dead, and off course attacking the enemie's line.
You wouldn't go over the top often in an all out assault, but you'd dread every time, sometimes you'd be successful and hold a trench, until your relieved or ordered to pull out, but inevitably you'd lose it, and often you'd get wounded/die. When you got killed in game, you'd later wake up in hospital being told you'd been bravely rescued or dragged back. If this happened too many times the game would end with you being sent home crippled or actually dieing and you'd have reload a save or checkpoint.
After every "big show" npcs you'd gotten to know might be crippled/dead, this would be random and depend on what happened in the fight. You might hate certain officers and almost be happy when they bought the farm or change your opinion about them when they do something amazingly heroic. A NPC you like might make you think of doing something risky in the hope of saving them. A wounded NPC might right you letters from hospital or from home if they are crippled.
As the war progressed the nature of combat would adapt, you'd eventually have plane and tank support.
Weapon wise you'd be able to carry three type of weapon:
Primary:
Simple bolt action rifle (both English and German) and would have the advantage of a bayonet
Scoped bolt action rifle
Lewis Gun (later in the game)
Double barreled shotgun (perhaps as award for side questions)
Pump action shot gun (side quest)
Anti-tank rifle (agains later in game)
BAR rifle (later)
Prototype submachine guns (sidequest + later in game)
Secondary
Webley revolver
Mauser semi-automatic or a Luger(captured from Germans)
Colt 1911 (later in war)
Melee:
Bayonet
Bowie knife (captured from germans)
Cosh (steel rod rapped in leather favoured by English)
Improvised trench clubs
Officer's swords
Sharpened shovels
and more stuff
Your pistol and melee could be used together at times. You could also carry a couple of grenades.
A heavy element of combat would be the melee side, either a brutal scuffle in the confined space of a trench or silent killing in the dark of no man's land. You'd be able to perform melee attack like elbowing and kicking like in condemned also.
The gun play wouldn't necessarily be slow paced, I mean Call of Juarez make even older and slower weapons quite exciting. Player would have to get to trying to be accurate and maintain cover before closing in violently with bayonet or shovel.
I should also mention gas and disease. If pushed though gas would create in game, impassible spots in no man's land and another thing you have to worry about on your lines, you'd have to run get a crude gas mask or something.
Disease, could be mentioned quite often (by medical officers, NCOs etc), but would be harder to implement in the actual play. At most things like trench foot and respiratory infection could be implemented as restrictions to running speed, health etc. But anything worse might have to skip by your character, for the shake of maintaining the story.
I've also been thinking that environment having effects on your clothing could be implemented quite well. You start each day with a pristine (well at least cleaner) seat of clothes, each time you hit the dirt and land in mud, the clothing gets dirty, can get torn when going through wire and bloodstained in combat.
Also another cool idea is once you finish the game, you can play it all over again as Germans, playing all the same areas from a different direction.
The game would start with a pretty standard tutorial, learning how to use rifles, grenades etc. But emphasizing the rigid social structure at the time and the colonial jingoism at the start "tut, tut the war will be over by christmas and we won't have given the kraut a sufficient walloping". You'd probably be a reserve officer or something, fresh faced and straight out of school.
The first mission would be heavily scripted, you getting ready to go over the top for a charge. The atmosphere would be incredibly tense, from the music, the soldiers muttering and the sound of artillery fire. You'd feel scared of going over the top.
Then you'd leap over and run through no man's land while machine guns and artillery obliterate everyone around you horrifically, not a cinematic but rather if you bother to turn to the left you'll see a couple of men ripped to pieces by machine gun fire. Eventually a shell would land near you and you'd pass out.
You'd awake in hospital for a brief moment before it blacks out.
Now the bulk of the game would be about a single large area, your lines (+ no man's land and the germans) and perhaps the nearest village you billet at while on rest.
The game would a fps with rpg elements like STALKER, there'd be NPCs from officers who'd issue you orders, to supply clerks or medical officers who ask you favours (like bringing them so much of x) and just soldiers with great accents and funny senses of humour.
At your lines you'd be able to walk around reasonably safely, you'd have to be careful and crouch through sniper trouble spots, wade through the muck with rats and every now and then you'd hear the crump of artillery and have to seek cover or hit the bottom of the trench.
No man's land would be ever changing and initially very frightening, but eventually you'd begin to learn safe spots, good sniper vantages and the quickest routes as you went out on night patrols. It would change each sometimes not by much, at other times huge differences. Every now and then a flare would go up illuminating the whole area before fading leaving it darker then it was before until your eye readjust.
Missions would consist of repelling German attacks (sometimes fighting in the trenches), assisting artillery and mortars, sniping the German lines, scouting no man's land, ambushing patrols in no man's land, retrieving wounded and dead, and off course attacking the enemie's line.
You wouldn't go over the top often in an all out assault, but you'd dread every time, sometimes you'd be successful and hold a trench, until your relieved or ordered to pull out, but inevitably you'd lose it, and often you'd get wounded/die. When you got killed in game, you'd later wake up in hospital being told you'd been bravely rescued or dragged back. If this happened too many times the game would end with you being sent home crippled or actually dieing and you'd have reload a save or checkpoint.
After every "big show" npcs you'd gotten to know might be crippled/dead, this would be random and depend on what happened in the fight. You might hate certain officers and almost be happy when they bought the farm or change your opinion about them when they do something amazingly heroic. A NPC you like might make you think of doing something risky in the hope of saving them. A wounded NPC might right you letters from hospital or from home if they are crippled.
As the war progressed the nature of combat would adapt, you'd eventually have plane and tank support.
Weapon wise you'd be able to carry three type of weapon:
Primary:
Simple bolt action rifle (both English and German) and would have the advantage of a bayonet
Scoped bolt action rifle
Lewis Gun (later in the game)
Double barreled shotgun (perhaps as award for side questions)
Pump action shot gun (side quest)
Anti-tank rifle (agains later in game)
BAR rifle (later)
Prototype submachine guns (sidequest + later in game)
Secondary
Webley revolver
Mauser semi-automatic or a Luger(captured from Germans)
Colt 1911 (later in war)
Melee:
Bayonet
Bowie knife (captured from germans)
Cosh (steel rod rapped in leather favoured by English)
Improvised trench clubs
Officer's swords
Sharpened shovels
and more stuff
Your pistol and melee could be used together at times. You could also carry a couple of grenades.
A heavy element of combat would be the melee side, either a brutal scuffle in the confined space of a trench or silent killing in the dark of no man's land. You'd be able to perform melee attack like elbowing and kicking like in condemned also.
The gun play wouldn't necessarily be slow paced, I mean Call of Juarez make even older and slower weapons quite exciting. Player would have to get to trying to be accurate and maintain cover before closing in violently with bayonet or shovel.
I should also mention gas and disease. If pushed though gas would create in game, impassible spots in no man's land and another thing you have to worry about on your lines, you'd have to run get a crude gas mask or something.
Disease, could be mentioned quite often (by medical officers, NCOs etc), but would be harder to implement in the actual play. At most things like trench foot and respiratory infection could be implemented as restrictions to running speed, health etc. But anything worse might have to skip by your character, for the shake of maintaining the story.
I've also been thinking that environment having effects on your clothing could be implemented quite well. You start each day with a pristine (well at least cleaner) seat of clothes, each time you hit the dirt and land in mud, the clothing gets dirty, can get torn when going through wire and bloodstained in combat.
Also another cool idea is once you finish the game, you can play it all over again as Germans, playing all the same areas from a different direction.
I am surprised, reading 10 pages into this, that no one has mentioned the fantastic WW1 flight sim rise of flight. Best flight sim I have ever seen, it is so real!!