Why aren't hats allowed in schools?

[Double A]

People saying jackets are offensive/banned in their country: My school allows people to wear jackets.

And without further ado, more responses. This forum really needs a multiquote button.

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I'm absolutely dumbfounded by the inanity of the majority of the posters in this thread. You look at the topic. You choose to read the post. You formulate a response. You take the time to right down that response, essentially complaining about the original poster not making effective use of his time or whining about trivial bullshit. And you don't see the problem with that? The hypocrisy is so thick I could gag on it!

I like this guy.

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There are maybe 10 hat racks in my city. I suppose that would mean hats indoors are more offensive across the pond. The only time I take mine off is if it's inconvenient (ex: driving, laying down), and no one ever gets mad.

I guess I'd spit my gum out if I was talking to a cop. I don't think it's offensive as long as you're smacking it, or blowing bubbles when talking to someone.

Also, that's awesome that you push up the brim of your hat. I've never seen anyone do that IRL. It'd be cool.

I just move my hat so the brim in the back goes down while the front goes up. Of course, since my hat is soft leather, I can bend my brim in very fun ways.

Whenever I see people wearing hats indoors I'm thinking that they ...;

1: Feel the incessant need to have an additional inch or two on the people they talk to.
2: Aren't exceptionally clever. (Hat wearers in enclosed vehicles. Really? Car drivers are bad enough without the need of yet *another* thing that will provide a distraction.)
3: Are bald(ing) and so very depressed about it.

I'm going to say '1' on your list is enough to enforce early attitudes of politeness. It *is* rude to wear a hat indoors. If you don't like it, get a fascinator. Though I doubt that will serve you so well in a school environment.

I'm actually above average height. My hat doesn't do jack.
I would argue that I'm clever. I certainly don't wear my hat when driving a car because it's full brim. I might wear a cap if my favorite one wasn't so close to breaking.
Two of my friends say I'm gonna be bald by 30, but that happened this week, and I've been wearing my hat constantly since the winter or spring.

Considering I'm not a girl, crossdresser, or transvestite, I don't think a fascinator would be appropriate for ever. Plus they look uncomfortable.

You know why teachers enforce all these little rules?

Because parents expect teachers and school institutions to rear their kids for them and teach them civil conduct and proper social skills to boot. You know, rather than a history teacher who teaches history, oh no. Parents aren't getting enough value for their tax there, Heaven forbid if parents were to actually teach their kids proper manners and civil conduct.

I think I've brought up society issues before, but I'm not going to fault you for not reading them. Still, I agree, it's ridiculous.

So, given that teachers now need to teach etiquette and basic social skills... what strikes you as strange about them simply saying "No hats in class"?

Because I hadn't thought much about it before. I went to private school pre-K to 9th. They actually taught stuff at those. Weird, I know.

Also, may I remind you that you're in the company of someone who (on average) has spent 5 years in university and should be seen as a professional who deserves respect from all stratum of society. A quintessential role and duty. Every observance of civil discourse between student and teacher should be enforced, even if parents don't see such needs.

I respect teachers who aren't assholes. I don't respect school boards who only think they're doing right and don't listen when suggestions are made.

Hats are considered impolite because you always put your hat on when you're going to leave. To keep your hat on is to amek sure you can leave quicker. Not a very good reason, just trying to answer your question.

It takes a fraction of a second to flip my hat onto my head. That's pretty shite reasoning.

What gang do you represent if you're wearing a top hat?

The local steampunk one.

Because Gabe wants them all for Team Fortress 2.

I guess I should wear two hats so I can get +5% accuracy to better defend myself.

It blocks the teacher's view of your face so he/she can see if you're sleeping or not...

My teachers can't tell when I'm sleeping anyway.
Protip: Use a waterbottle as a chin rest.

To be honest, all 6 points as to why hats aren't allowed in schools are somewhat reasonable. Even if none of them are big deals, the school is still effectively dealing with many small potential issues in one go.

Obviously I don't think so.

On the other hand, I don't see that many people anywhere wearing hats these days anyways.

That's another reason why I wear a hat: I stand out in a crowd better. It helps to get noticed.

Still debating whether that's a good or bad thing, but either way, it's not stopping me. The only vocal reactions I get are "Nice hat," etc.

Because this:

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Also, stop being an anti-social dick and follow the rules, they're there for a reason. Without rules/laws, there would be no civilised society, thusly you wouldn't have the privileged opportunity to ***** about a minor rule that affects you for a tiny amount of your time.

When I went to school, you had to wear a uniform, hats were not a part of that uniform, therefore, they went off the moment you stepped inside.

"Fuck da man" for the sake of "fuck da man" is not cool and means nothing.

I am following the rules. I am also exercising my right to free speech by complaining about said rules.

I'm not complaining for the sake of complaining. I actually want to wear my hat. Sorry for wanting an individualized style, unlike everyone else.

- Some students may not remove their hats while reciting the pledge of allegiance, and that is very disrespectful.

I could go on but I won't.

Saying the pledge isn't mandatory (and a right I often exercise). It got me gently punched in the arm one time, but do I give a shit? No. They think it's rude, I don't, so it's not my problem. And I hate to say it, but to eliminate a double standard and to show I'm for srs, WBC should be able to do all the crazy picketing it wants. If I lose a friend over a hat/not saying the pledge, then I don't really care. WBC probably feels the same way.

Now I feel dirty and need to go wash my hands.

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This was another point I tried to make somewhere, but it got overshadowed because the guy I was talking to wasn't listening.

Tinted glasses are awesome by the way.

 

[Crazy]

The question is why would you want to wear hats inside of school.

 

[Caverat]

Eh, not an issue. It is impolite to wear a hat indoors, and while attending a school you are subject to its rules regarding behavior. When you grow up you'll encounter it all the time, if you get a job your employer might decide to have a dress code, as is their right.

Also, restaurants can tell you to take off your hat, if you refuse, they can refuse service and tell you to leave their private property. Refusal of that is cause for them to have the police remove you.

I don't spit, and if I did, I wouldn't do it indoors on the floor. It'd be impolite. I also remove any head-dress I'm wearing when entering a building for the same reason.

Raging about this sort of thing is just really childish.

 

[TheAmazingHobo]

I think it should be up to individual teachers, whether or not hats should be allowed in their classes.
Blocking a part of your face makes it more difficult to engage with you specifically or to judge the current mood in the class as a whole (if more than a handful of students do something to conceal part of their face). Some teachers won´t mind that, some do, which should be reason enough to justify taking of a hat.

It blocks the teacher's view of your face so he/she can see if you're sleeping or not...

My teachers can't tell when I'm sleeping anyway.
Protip: Use a waterbottle as a chin rest.

Have you and your parents ever considered an alternate form of education ? I always thought America allows for non-standard education models and as you seem to have trouble following basic social norms and are apparently either not interested or bored by what goes on in the classroom, maybe this just isn´t the right environment for you ?

Edit: Just on a personal note, because I hear this "the teacher can´t tell anyway"-thing pretty often. Having taught a couple of tutoriums at university, I feel I can say this with some authority:
The teacher can tell. Always. At a glance.
They also hear most whispers, even those coming from the back (though usually not what is said, just that something is said). This is due to the position of the teachers in the classroom.
Most of the time, it is a deliberate decision to ignore it, as confronting the student is way more trouble than its worth, usually.

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

If VALVe started a school, hats would be mandatory for everyone.

But the hats would have to be downright crazy.

 

[dickywebster]

I thought it was to avoid accusations of cheating like of tf2? =P

But really, its probably to stop people wearing big silly hats cause they can (which my school made an actual rule all thanks to me)

 

[GamerKT]

there is no reason to have to wear a hat inside

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5280671

Nope. I wear hats when I need a haircut and can't get one at the moment. So, eat me, bro.

now just curious...how does hat = excuse for haircut?

also, bring it haircutless hatman.

I love that GIF... I meant that a hat is great for covering up my hobo-fro before I can get a haircut.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

there is no reason to have to wear a hat inside

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5280671

Nope. I wear hats when I need a haircut and can't get one at the moment. So, eat me, bro.

now just curious...how does hat = excuse for haircut?

also, bring it haircutless hatman.

I love that GIF... I meant that a hat is great for covering up my hobo-fro before I can get a haircut.

haha yup, just found it randomly the other day and you gave me the perfect opportunity to dish it out.

and do you not like using a comb..? generally with your hair damp, and a comb, it can fix it into anything decently looking, even if its not your usual "hair do"

 

[GamerKT]

there is no reason to have to wear a hat inside

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5280671

Nope. I wear hats when I need a haircut and can't get one at the moment. So, eat me, bro.

now just curious...how does hat = excuse for haircut?

also, bring it haircutless hatman.

I love that GIF... I meant that a hat is great for covering up my hobo-fro before I can get a haircut.

haha yup, just found it randomly the other day and you gave me the perfect opportunity to dish it out.

and do you not like using a comb..? generally with your hair damp, and a comb, it can fix it into anything decently looking, even if its not your usual "hair do"

Nope. Bro, I'm Dominican; my hair is nappy as hell. Combs don't do shit. The only thing that might work is gel, but I refuse to do that. Takes more time than putting on a hat, and I can't touch my hair.
Just think of it like a fat guy wearing a shirt at the beach instead of losing weight. It's just simpler for the time being. You can still hate hats, though. I see your point, but it's a nice fix for me.

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

If you can't wear your mega-super-awesome hat of extreme societal change in school, then just wear it in public. Make hats fashionable again! And not just the sucky ones.

However, I do think it is a little silly just because girls can wear their slouchy berets and stuff, but baseball caps have to be taken off for some reason.

They allow hipster hats but ban hoodlum hats? And yes, in the United Kingdom the only people I ever see wearing baseball caps aren't pleasant individuals.

Since we don't play baseball here, something's definitely fishy with it.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

there is no reason to have to wear a hat inside

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5280671

Nope. I wear hats when I need a haircut and can't get one at the moment. So, eat me, bro.

now just curious...how does hat = excuse for haircut?

also, bring it haircutless hatman.

I love that GIF... I meant that a hat is great for covering up my hobo-fro before I can get a haircut.

haha yup, just found it randomly the other day and you gave me the perfect opportunity to dish it out.

and do you not like using a comb..? generally with your hair damp, and a comb, it can fix it into anything decently looking, even if its not your usual "hair do"

Nope. Bro, I'm Dominican; my hair is nappy as hell. Combs don't do shit. The only thing that might work is gel, but I refuse to do that. Takes more time than putting on a hat, and I can't touch my hair.
Just think of it like a fat guy wearing a shirt at the beach instead of losing weight. It's just simpler for the time being. You can still hate hats, though. I see your point, but it's a nice fix for me.

hahaha lovely explanation. i imagined plenty of worthwhile pictures in my head there.

fair enough, also i have no idea where you specifically live/your schools, so it could be entirely different for how your classes "partake" and whatnot, so i guess i don't have the greatest insight on your hat situation.

 

[Double A]

It blocks the teacher's view of your face so he/she can see if you're sleeping or not...

My teachers can't tell when I'm sleeping anyway.
Protip: Use a waterbottle as a chin rest.

Have you and your parents ever considered an alternate form of education ? I always thought America allows for non-standard education models and as you seem to have trouble following basic social norms and are apparently either not interested or bored by what goes on in the classroom, maybe this just isn´t the right environment for you ?

Edit: Just on a personal note, because I hear this "the teacher can´t tell anyway"-thing pretty often. Having taught a couple of tutoriums at university, I feel I can say this with some authority:
The teacher can tell. Always. At a glance.
They also hear most whispers, even those coming from the back (though usually not what is said, just that something is said). This is due to the position of the teachers in the classroom.
Most of the time, it is a deliberate decision to ignore it, as confronting the student is way more trouble than its worth, usually.

I have slept through quite a few English and Math classes in the past three years. Once in a while I sleep in German (but only when I'm very tired). I'm bored in English because I know it very well already, or it's the third time we've been over it in class. Math I just didn't like, specifically Algebra 2 (I have slept few times in Advanced Functions & Mathematics and Discrete Math).

I went to private school pre-Kindergarten to 9th grade. Should explain why I'm not challenged in English. I should be in Honors, but I took a regular English class last year and the teacher challenged me mentally, so I only assumed I would again - I was wrong. I also don't like being told what to do.

 

[IamQ]

I agree that it's silly. That's why I love my high school (Or "gymnasium" in Swedish, sort of like a high school, but only three years). Here we can have hats on, we can chew gum, even eat crisps during lessons. Hell, once we were going to see a documentary about Chernobyl and I brought in my lunch from the cafeteria, no questions asked. There's nothing like seeing a nuclear power plant explode while eating lasagna.

Cool, so it's a school where they don't teach students to be polite or have manners?

It knows it doesn't need to, because they realize that most students aren't silly enough to think that these things transfer over to the real work life.

 

[Double A]

I agree that it's silly. That's why I love my high school (Or "gymnasium" in Swedish, sort of like a high school, but only three years). Here we can have hats on, we can chew gum, even eat crisps during lessons. Hell, once we were going to see a documentary about Chernobyl and I brought in my lunch from the cafeteria, no questions asked. There's nothing like seeing a nuclear power plant explode while eating lasagna.

Cool, so it's a school where they don't teach students to be polite or have manners?

It knows it doesn't need to, because they realize that most students aren't silly enough to think that these things transfer over to the real work life.

Wait, students are treated with respect and like they have common sense in Sweden?

That's it, I'm moving to Sweden.

 

[IamQ]

I agree that it's silly. That's why I love my high school (Or "gymnasium" in Swedish, sort of like a high school, but only three years). Here we can have hats on, we can chew gum, even eat crisps during lessons. Hell, once we were going to see a documentary about Chernobyl and I brought in my lunch from the cafeteria, no questions asked. There's nothing like seeing a nuclear power plant explode while eating lasagna.

Cool, so it's a school where they don't teach students to be polite or have manners?

It knows it doesn't need to, because they realize that most students aren't silly enough to think that these things transfer over to the real work life.

Wait, students are treated with respect and like they have common sense in Sweden?

That's it, I'm moving to Sweden.

Great! Just be aware of the Polar Bears and Killer Penguins. They roam the streets like crazy at this time of the year.

 

[BlazeRaider]

I'm surprised over the backlash to the OPs question, who knew people felt so strongly about banning hats in school, by some of your posts its like you believe if hats were allowed to be worn in school the end result would be drunken warbands roaming the countryside pillaging small farms and merchant caravans T_T. They're hats, and if its not a big deal to take them off, its shouldn't be a big deal to keep them on either, too many people here are already assuming alot of rather conceited things about people who want to wear hats indoors, like they are doing it to rebel against authority or show disrespect to people, or cheat, or sleep in class, like its inconceivable someone might just want to wear a hat.

 

[ryanthemadman]

Your arguments reek of whining. All of those reasons are actually pretty legitimate reasons, and it seems a bit immature to go off like you are because you can't wear a hat for half a day, 5 days a week. Hats aren't everything. Just be glad your school doesn't have uniforms.

as far as being legitimate reasons, then they might as well ban all of the other types of clothes and have uniforms. i mean c'mon! you can do all of those things with other objects in your possession am i wrong?

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Haven't you seen the PSA? Hats can be used to conceal deadly weapons. Think of the children!

 

[ace_of_something]

I googled it and I found this:
Can someone please explain why basically every school doesn't allow hats unless it's "spirit week?" Maybe I can actually convince someone to let me wear my damn hat.

My school allowed hats indoors but only working hats (what you would call a cowboy hat) and if you messed with it too much, covered your eyes (to sleep) or did not tip it to a lady when they greeted you they'd take it away for the day. We were not allowed to wear baseball caps or things like that indoors though.
We had hat hooks (which is really just a coat hook) in every classroom.

Anyway, yeah I think 'keep away' cheating and crap like that are the biggest reasons. It's one less thing to worry about. It's a million times easier to make "blanket rules" that just cover everything rather than make exceptions, caveats, and the like.

 

[Faith Sheridan]

I haven't seen this brought up, but have people considered hats that can be used to make your hair look shorter for genderfluid kids. They don't cut their hair because some days they want it long and some days they want it short. They simply use hats as a means to feel themselves in which not wearing them feels wrong.