Why can't I "hate"?

[Canadamus Prime]

Because there's a distinct difference between constructive criticism and senseless whining. The former is usually actually worth listening to and taking into consideration, while the latter should be ignored at all costs. Unfortunately what 999/1000 gamers do is the latter.

EDIT:[sub]esp. on this site[/sub]

 

[Risingblade]

Hate for the sake of hating

I dislike sounding so obtuse, but as true as that may be, it's the stupidest justification ever.

Stupid or not It's true sadly

 

[Zaik]

Because

Spoiler

I mean really, what do you expect?

 

[Twilight_guy]

You can't generically "hate" a game. That's not a valid point. You have to say why you hate it. That's something people can respect. Saying I hate it because its going in a bad direction" is far too nebulous and does not say why you feel that way. Its easy to dismiss nebulous arguments, it harder to dismiss facts.

 

[The Gnome King]

Why is it that when someone hates the direction a new game takes in the series they're just 'nostalgic'?
Why are people so dismissive of criticism when they refuse to actually address the points?

I don't think people mind constructive criticism of games.

It's hating for hating's sake that gets on the nerves of most intelligent, rational folk.

Going, "OMFG Dragon Age 2 is horrible, they should have made it more like the first, Bioware is a crappy company that has sold out!" - really doesn't get us anywhere.

However, an intelligent assertion of the facts and opinions related to your criticism is useful. For example - the following were criticisms I had about DA2 -

1) I felt they re-used dungeon textures too often, and it felt like many places in the game were "Random Dungeon A" - "Random Dungeon B" - "Random Dungeon A.1" ... etc. This was specifically true in many of the "warehouse" quests and sub-quests you took.

2) I felt that the "conversation wheel" options for Hawke were a bit cheesy; Hawke often came off sounding a bit cheeky and sarcastic even when you were trying to be "nice" - also, often what you ended up saying sounded nothing like the text option presented.

3) I felt that combat was a bit too quick for my tastes; I preferred the more tactical "slowed down" combat in DA:O; though I realize this is subjective as many of my friends preferred the faster combat in DA2.

4) I felt that the ending was somewhat anti-climactic, unlike the epic ending in DA:O.

5) I felt that many of the sub-quests in the game were simply odd; like you would get a random piece of paper and be told where to turn it in without this adding much to the story. If I'm returning a statue or gemstone to some random merchant, I'd like to know what this meant to the person - perhaps have a bit of dialog with them about it... etc.

That having been said, I did enjoy DA2 quite a bit.

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See the difference? In the first example I'm simply attacking the game in a general way. In the second example I point out specific issues I have problems with.

 

[mjc0961]

Why is it that when someone hates the direction a new game takes in the series they're just 'nostalgic'?
Why are people so dismissive of criticism when they refuse to actually address the points?

Usually because you just disagreed with their opinion, and they aren't capable of having a nice, logical discussion. So they pick something from a grab bag of common phrases that are easy to use for bashing those who think differently from them, and "nostalgia glasses" is an easy thing to claim if someone thought the older games did something better than the newer ones.

Of course, when you say "criticism", I assume you mean actual criticism and not just "NEW GAME SUX OLD GAME IS AWESOME!"

P.S.

Spoiler: Why not join in the fun?

 

[SovietSecrets]

Why should I share my point on anything when people hate for no valid reason? Not saying everyone does, but most of the time people seriously have no good reason and have been sippin on Haterade.

 

[Trolldor]

Why can't hate be grounded on valid criticism?

Why can't I have a valid reason to hate the James Cameron Elves in Dragon Age 2?

 

[TiefBlau]

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLES POINTS VALID AND OTHERS NOT VALID???

PLEASE EXPLAIN IN ELEVEN WORDS OR LESS.

 

[Anah'ya]

Why is it that when someone hates the direction a new game takes in the series they're just 'nostalgic'?
Why are people so dismissive of criticism when they refuse to actually address the points?

You can hate as much as you want, however blatant dismissal is rude and disrespectful towards the creators. Unless its Twilight. Then you can dismiss and slander as much as you want. And you'll get a medal. And cookies.

 

[blankedboy]

For example, a lot of people prefer Morrowind to Oblivion (even Vanilla) but I find the systems of Morrowind really archaic. using a short blade levels my speed stat? (no combat benefits to this what-so-ever) and casting the only damaging spells in the game (destruction) improves your will power (magic resistance) (not your total magic pool, which would allow for the use of better offensive spells) so the only way to get better destruction spells (that you can even cast) is to pick flowers and make potions! or to cast a completely different tree of magic! (summoning)! it truly makes no sense.

Um, what?
That isn't how Morrowind's skill system works at all. If you practice with a short blade, your short blade skill will rise. However, the damage you do isn't only affected by your short blade skill (and the others that affect damage) but also minorly by Speed. Speed's a gorverning attribute, so it isn't affected by your normal skills. And to get better Destruction spells you go to a mage and buy them... potions aren't going to hurt others. And Conjuration doesn't have anything to do with either of those. :/

OP, you can't hate because people be trollings you.

 

[blankedboy]

post got nommed

 

[ZeZZZZevy]

Why is it that when someone hates the direction a new game takes in the series they're just 'nostalgic'?
Why are people so dismissive of criticism when they refuse to actually address the points?

Because if all someone does is compare it to the old game, you truly are just being nostalgic.

If the criticism is for what a game isn't instead of what it is, the 'hate' sounds unjustified.

Just say what you like or don't and move on. But when you start calling people names for liking or not liking something, the hate is just fucking stupid. Not that I'm calling out names here...

That's what I think anyways.

And this is what I'm talking about -

If I compare a sequel to its predecessor, why is that automatically nostalgia? Chances are that I actually liked the predecessor better because it worked better.

Well, because game developers have continued to do better and better jobs, slowly but surely improving the quality of our games. I mean, we've gone from booger splat atari graphics to lego-Cloud FF7 polygons to beautiful lush open ended worlds like Oblivion, Skyrim etc.

Most of the time it really is nostalgia. That's why.

nos·tal·gia
 
a wistful desire to return in thought or in fact to a former time

For example, a lot of people prefer Morrowind to Oblivion (even Vanilla) but I find the systems of Morrowind really archaic. using a short blade levels my speed stat? (no combat benefits to this what-so-ever) and casting the only damaging spells in the game (destruction) improves your will power (magic resistance) (not your total magic pool, which would allow for the use of better offensive spells) so the only way to get better destruction spells (that you can even cast) is to pick flowers and make potions! or to cast a completely different tree of magic! (summoning)! it truly makes no sense.

I do enjoy Morrowind still, hell I have the disc in my system right now. But I can safely say that Oblivion improved most of the problems of the previous game. Does that make Oblivion perfect? No and yes it did end up also lacking in other areas that Morrowind did well in, but for the most part gameplay was indeed improved and made more fluid, immersive and enjoyable for the majority of players.

A compelte failure to answer the question.

Why must it be nostalgia? Why can't I legitimately prefer the older game?

You're acting like being nostalgic is a bad thing? Disliking a newer game based upon the new direction it has taken is one thing, hating it for legitimately getting worse is something totally different. The former is nostalgia, the latter is "hate." Personally, I'd rather be labeled nostalgic than a hater, but I suppose that's me.