Warscythes have been used in wars as recently as 1921, they were the most popular in peasent uprisings where weapons where few and far between, all your needed to do was take a farming scythe and turn the blade upright and you have a long reach pole arm, which could take out Calvary and give superior range to swords.
Why do current RPGs not have scythes?
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I thought they tended to be categorised into the same category as a sword.Firoth said:
Handaxe/Short Sword
Battleaxe/Longsword (I still hold that this is an arming sword)
Greataxe/Greatsword
Waraxe/Bastard Sword (I still hold that this is a longsword)
Which also happens to be the same category as:
Light hammers
Warhammers
Greatclubs
So I guess it's technically true, but still...
actually boomerangs are hunting toolsArkzism said:
Yeah, I was hoping nobody would realize that >_>
That being said, they were only used to hunt small animals, and they had practically no potential in war.
and honestly final fantasy is not the best i use this as a weapon excuse...
So I can't use the most successful RPG franchise as an example for other RPGs? Darn.
and honestly i like realism with my rpgs
So, you've never used a phoenix down, have you? Do you also take your turn stabbing people so they can take their turn stabbing you?
i mean id rather have a simple spear then any of those fancy ones above
You're quite the boring person, aren't you? That being said, normal weapons usually have better stats when you have the choice between the two.
That's hardly an effective analogy, they've probably never done either of those in games either; even if they have, Pheonix Downs are just smelling salts in all but name, and the turn based system can be filled in with your imagination, it's hard to imagine a scythe being used effectively, or anyone actually wanting to use one. (Most games have enough similarities to the real world's kinematics that unlike say, magic, which is entirely fictional, this isn't realistic within the bounds of the game either)Mister Swift said:
Because they are used for cutting crops, not people.
Imagen finding a pair of hedge trimmers in an RPG that could be used as a weapon, im sure you would say "WTFuck?"
Imagen finding a pair of hedge trimmers in an RPG that could be used as a weapon, im sure you would say "WTFuck?"
You can't use final fantasy as an excuse to say something is a weapon I think he means. You have seen the gun/blade argument? And the dude who made clouds sword out of aluminium (i think) and discovered that you could barely lift it, far less swing it about. The RPG doesn't really have the feasibility.Mister Swift said:
I can understand that in a game, silly weapons can bring brilliant gameplay. But If you ever saw a polearm being used properly in real life, it's be far from "boring." Staff fighting is one of the best arts there is and addin the pointy bit at the end makes it quite a deadly weapon in the right hands.
Go play Demon's Souls.
That's got about 6 different forms of Scythes in it.
But really though, why the hell would you want one? They're pretty impractical weapons at least those traditional crescent scythes Death carries.
That's got about 6 different forms of Scythes in it.
But really though, why the hell would you want one? They're pretty impractical weapons at least those traditional crescent scythes Death carries.
I beg to differ. [http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/zasalamel-in-soul-calibur-4.jpg]Souplex said:
Scythes can be used in combat. They're multipurpose as a long reach bludgeon weapon and a long hooking weapon.
As for why they're never used in games. Well, Dante from Dante's Inferno used one, but other than that, I just don't think the developers usually think of them when putting weapons into their game.
I'm saying it doesn't matter what things can do IRL. The topic was "Why do current RPGs not have scythes?", not "Why do current military forces not have scythes?" It's an RPG, all your going to be doing with a weapon is selecting attack then selecting the enemy. Besides being ranged or not, nothing else about the weapon matters in most RPG's. Some of the more intuitive ones may be an exception.ScruffyTheJanitor said:
Question: What was my first post about?Eponet said:
Answer: Most mainstream RPG's have weapons that completely defy all know conventions.
It is these weapons that can make a game more quirky, without actually effecting them at all. You could give Wakka a gun, and he'd still be a physical fighter that can attack at a distance (shut up sphere grid).
RPG's have absolutely no ties to real world physics, or else you'd kill everything with one hit with that slab of concrete you somehow carry around, and you'd get killed in one hit from all those gun toting enemies.
Making things super realistic might have worked for FPS's (debatable), but it's no-mans-land for RPG's. It just wouldn't make the game entertaining. And why do we play video games?
For entertainment. And if some people find killing enemies with scythes entertaining, then they have every right to complain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulus_Hector_Mair
A guy who wrote a book about fencing with various waepons, including scythes( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97neHuFfPLI )
The dueling shields are awesome too btw.
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00006570/images/index.html?seite=411
^ This is the book I'm talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe
Weapons used by polish peasants in many conflicts (Some say that they obviously aren't scythes. But the people who used them and contemporary accounts call them scythes. That sort of thing is a scythe. "Scythe" is the word for that thing. It's not a weapon that 'looks like glaive/halberd', because the blade of a glaive is convex, while the blade of a scythe is concave and halberd has an axe blade, a spike and a hook)
So yes, a scythe can and was used as a weapon and as a tool, just like an axe. There is no excuse not to include them (and polearms in general really) in a FANTASY RPG.
A guy who wrote a book about fencing with various waepons, including scythes( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97neHuFfPLI )
The dueling shields are awesome too btw.
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00006570/images/index.html?seite=411
^ This is the book I'm talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe
Weapons used by polish peasants in many conflicts (Some say that they obviously aren't scythes. But the people who used them and contemporary accounts call them scythes. That sort of thing is a scythe. "Scythe" is the word for that thing. It's not a weapon that 'looks like glaive/halberd', because the blade of a glaive is convex, while the blade of a scythe is concave and halberd has an axe blade, a spike and a hook)
So yes, a scythe can and was used as a weapon and as a tool, just like an axe. There is no excuse not to include them (and polearms in general really) in a FANTASY RPG.
I forgot about that crowbars could be used for opening doors and the guitar is impractical. but stabbing a zombie through the eye with a crowbar seems pretty hard to do without getting bitten or getting the virus(don't really know for sure haven't fought zombies in reality). I still want some more scythes in games thought i think it would be cool.rsvp42 said:
Yeah, that's true!
You never see scythes in games anymore. I always thought they would be really cool (if not a little awkward) to fight with.
You never see scythes in games anymore. I always thought they would be really cool (if not a little awkward) to fight with.
Historically, a scythe was only ever used as a weapon by rebelling peasants and farmers because it was all they had. They are slow, unwieldy, can break easily (not always) and cannot do any damage to an armoured opponent. They are intended and designed to cut crops with, not for battle, polearms and halberds do that. A scythe is first and foremost a tool used for harvesting-That's why Death carries one, he is a harvester of souls.
I guess scythes don't appear much in RPG's because of their real life flaws as weapons and that a sword and shield is far more traditional and a 'noble' weapon for a player, while a scythe is just a farming tool a lower class citizen would put to use in a combat situation in the absence of a real weapon.
I guess scythes don't appear much in RPG's because of their real life flaws as weapons and that a sword and shield is far more traditional and a 'noble' weapon for a player, while a scythe is just a farming tool a lower class citizen would put to use in a combat situation in the absence of a real weapon.
Ya but can you say without doubt the type of sword used in most fiction?carpathic said:
The best you can do is say "sword" or "gun" and not persay a flamberge or .38 Smith & Wesson.....
