Why do people buy Pokemon games?

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StBishop

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IamSofaKingRaw said:
seraphy said:
Why not, people buy call of duty games, and different year sport games as well and they are all the same too.
Yeah but the sports games actually change from year to year. Look at the improvement from NBA 2k10 to NBA 2k11. 2k Sports fixed almost all problems with their previous game, added more game modes, updated roster (as usual), and a revamped online competitive mode.

What does each version of Pokemon add? Like 5 more pokemon?
Ok I don't like the new pokemon games but srsly?

Are you trolling?

Maybe this is an opportunity for a pokemon fan to come in and explain all of the different things added (Like new HM's, and berries, and night and day, and two pokemon in a battle per team, and the updated box system, and other things I don't know about because I gave up after Gold/Silver/Crystal)

Also, there's like... between 490 and 500 pokemon, I don't know the exact number. I think there's been 4 generations now... We started with 151 (Including Mew) that's about 350 over 3 generations... over 100 per generation.

So they're pretty comparable with 2k games. I would argue better because the gameplay doesn't need to be updated but the mechanics are kept fresh.
 

Double A

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Because they're awesome?

Nintendo adds enough content and easter eggs to make new Pokemon games fun. They're as addicting as TV Tropes.
 

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Its because the games are enjoyable, and Pokemon targets a good fifteen year age group (5-20). its also interesting to see what advancements Game Freak and Nintendo make to the RPG genre.
 

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Because they are fun. That's good enough reason for me. It's like asking someone why they buy the new Madden games.
 

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Because:
A. They are fucking awesome
B. Reason A
C. Its milked because its marketable without even lifting a finger
D. Even if it is milked, you can ignore that and enjoy the games, the very reason the franchise is awesome
E. They come out with new ones every like 4 years, if they didn't I wouldn't have my current favorite pokemon (Empoleon)
F. Those who say newer ones suck really just don't get it.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
When is the last time the pokemon series received a big new game mode or feature? I don't hate pokemon (digimon was better though) I just don't see why they newed the regular installments when the newest ones add barely anything new.
I'm pretty sure Colosseum was the first to break the formula (not counting pinball) and it continued with the Ranger and Mystery Dungeon games. Though you're probably talking about the main games.

Well, as stated before, there's been the contest and pokelathon aspects, but I'd suspect that you think those "don't count" Also, when the hell did adding over a hundred of new Pokemon not count as something "new"

Getting back to the OP, I just like the aesthetic of pokemon. I like cute and/or fluffy things along with badass mofos, and this game lets me use both. Plus I find that when you die, you tend to feel less crappy about it since you aren't the one directly fighting. It wasn't your fault you lost the match, it was your Charmander's fault because he wasn't strong enough to take down that Squirtle.
 

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IamSofaKingRaw said:
Yeah...no. The newest pokemon are the most retarded looking. Te original ones are the most memorable to a lot of pokemon fans.
Memorabilty =/= good. Cloyster-gina, 2 stars with rubies in them, Slowbro, Jynx, a fat ass dragon, a bird, a rat, whatever Diglett is, two caterpillars (And two cocoons), whatever Hitmonlee is, etc. The original Pokemon look just as stupid (Or totally dull) if you remove the nostalgia glasses...

IamSofaKingRaw said:
My point about the updated roster was that they only add more pokemon (that still look incredibly ridiculous) to have the users collect them all.
If you played the later games first (Like my younger brother), you would be thinking that the new Pokemon look far superior than the originals, and that the originals looked ridiculous (Or, as he referred to Tangela, "Completely freaking retarded").

IamSofaKingRaw said:
When is the last time the pokemon series received a big new game mode or feature? I don't hate pokemon (digimon was better though) I just don't see why they newed the regular installments when the newest ones add barely anything new.
Comparing Pokemon to Digimon is like comparing vodka to orange juice. They're complete different things...They just end up lumped together because they have vagely similar names.
Anyway, the last big feature Pokemon received was in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, with the physical special split. That means every attack was changed to fit how it worked instead of it's type. This also meant every Pokemon received a different movelist so they don't end up completely useless if their original moveset received benefits from the original system. The biggest new game mode was the Battle Tower, which was in Pokemon Emerald. The Battle Tower allowed players to play post-game content other than just Elite 4 runs and catching them all. The Battle Tower lets players play against in-game teams that aren't completely pitiful and at times can be similar to competitive teams.

IamSofaKingRaw said:
Yeah my point still stands. If you manage to show me how the newest games have completely improved on the last making it look obsolete then I will back down and agree with you.
If you honestly believe that Black and White is just Red and Blue with improved graphics, then no amount of proof or points will possibly get you to change your mind. So don't at like you would consider agreeing with us please.
 

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The ones that differ with a small amount that are on the same platform is about human relations.
You know, you buy one and a friend buys the other?

Not many games do that these days.
Plus, Black and White look god damned fantastic!
I don't know, Black and White .... there's just something ... it feel off. Maybe it's the 'dynamic battling' or whatever, or how they added triple battles. I'm not sure, and it's just my opinion, but I'd rather have a complete reset to zero (new types and everything) so that they can at least seem new, rather than just giving an old pokemon a new skin (because the types and stats only allow for so much variation). Alternatively, once you get to the point where you are making ice-cream pokemon/God pokemon you should remake the really old ones for nostalgia's sake, then make a completely new play-style (think a skill-tree RPG combined with an Eevee-spore mix for character growth and real-time combat).

So yeah, either restart the franchise except for the basic gameplay mechanics, make prior instalments better, or do something new.
 

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Matrixbeast said:
IamSofaKingRaw said:
Yeah...no. The newest pokemon are the most retarded looking. Te original ones are the most memorable to a lot of pokemon fans.
Memorabilty =/= good. Cloyster-gina, 2 stars with rubies in them, Slowbro, Jynx, a fat ass dragon, a bird, a rat, whatever Diglett is, two caterpillars (And two cocoons), whatever Hitmonlee is, etc. The original Pokemon look just as stupid (Or totally dull) if you remove the nostalgia glasses...

My point about the updated roster was that they only add more pokemon (that still look incredibly ridiculous) to have the users collect them all.

IamSofaKingRaw said:
When is the last time the pokemon series received a big new game mode or feature? I don't hate pokemon (digimon was better though) I just don't see why they newed the regular installments when the newest ones add barely anything new.
Comparing Pokemon to Digimon is like comparing vodka to orange juice. They're complete different things...They just end up lumped together because they have vagely similar names.
Anyway, the last big feature Pokemon received was in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, with the physical special split. That means every attack was changed to fit how it worked instead of it's type. This also meant every Pokemon received a different movelist so they don't end up completely useless if their original moveset received benefits from the original system. The biggest new game mode was the Battle Tower, which was in Pokemon Emerald. The Battle Tower allowed players to play post-game content other than just Elite 4 runs and catching them all. The Battle Tower lets players play against in-game teams that aren't completely pitiful and at times can be similar to competitive teams.

IamSofaKingRaw said:
Yeah my point still stands. If you manage to show me how the newest games have completely improved on the last making it look obsolete then I will back down and agree with you.
If you honestly believe that Black and White is just Red and Blue with improved graphics, then no amount of proof or points will possibly get you to change your mind. So don't at like you would consider agreeing with us please.
It not only has improved graphics but new pokemon! :D



But seriously, Pokemon Emerald was a gameboy advance game...

I think that with the 3DS coming out with better online capabilities they should just add the newer pokemon they think up as DLC on whatever online store Nintendo has instead of making new games every 2-3 years.
 

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Mostly for me it's nostalgia. However with every game I've bought since Silver, I've never really leveled pokemon past 80, got bored after that :p
 

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IamSofaKingRaw said:
I think that with the 3DS coming out with better online capabilities they should just add the newer pokemon they think up as DLC on whatever online store Nintendo has instead of making new games every 2-3 years.
And it seems that the majority of people on this site, in Japan, and at Game Freak and Nintendo disagree with you. So... Despite how "right" your opinion is in your mind, it's still extremely wrong in ours.

So you don't think that they should continue the franchise, good for you, look the other direction when you see something advertising it then. No one is forcing you to play or like the games. It is your choice to dislike them, and our choice to like them.
 

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I'm not here to defend Pokemon, necessarily, since I don't entirely get it, either, but I find it really funny that you started off by mentioning Halo and Call of Duty, two relatively unchanging series whose fanbase clamors for new games more rabidly than the Pokemon fans. While we're at it, why not throw fighting games into the mix? Tell me what's really changed about Tekken, SoulCalibur, Virtua Fighter, or Street Fighter over the years. Hell, one of my favorite fighting games of all time is Marvel vs. Capcom 2, and I'm excited for the upcoming sequel just because it's more of a series I love with some new fighters thrown in to mix things up, as well as an improved graphics engine and some minor gameplay tweaks.
As for Pokemon itself, I think that unless you actually play the games, simply watching footage will give you an idea of the graphical improvements from game to game, but won't really show you the subtle changes or added game modes. The only games I've ever played were red, blue, yellow, and the first stadium game, so I can't tell you what's changed since then. However, I can easily see how deep the games can get and can understand why they've built such a fanbase.
Plus, you always have to factor in the fact that Nintendo fans just always seem a little more zealous about their favorite games.
 

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To me the most milked series(that I love) is harvest moon. At least pokemon changes somethings, and they don't do that bullshit of releasing male and female version of the game.
 

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To an extent I understand the argument against the new games, but I don't agree with it at all. Between versions there may only be minor changes, but the difference between Gen I and Gen IV is staggering. It's gotten way better and way more competitive.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Gen V, I've read and seen a lot about it and it looks...interesting.
 

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I can see what you mean. I still play, though, because a) I'm a collector at heart, and b) because I enjoy the depth in the pokemon themselves (breeding, evs, finding the best teams.)

Lately, though, I've been playing online with battle programs instead of playing the actual games, though.
 

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IamSofaKingRaw said:
I've played Sapphire and Fire Red and seen footage of the rest. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME DAMN THING!
Well, there's really nothing new anymore. And no they're not, but I'll go into why below.

Start in a small town, mom tells you to see professor, someone tells you professor is on trouble, ave professor ten you get your pokemon.
Sounds like any RPG really, though not always with the professor part.

After that their nephew/niece becomes your rival.
Actually, in G/S/C and HG/SS it was a thief with no relation to anyone (though I've heard rumours he was related to Lance).

In D/P/Pt it was a childhood friend. The Professor's nearest Kin didnt really battle you, because she picked the pokemon weak to yours. She was more there for Misc help.

Now, I havent played/looked extensively into Black and White yet, but I'm pretty sure your rival isnt related to the Professor. In fact, I think the rival and the girl who chooses the pokemon weak to yours are only you're best friends.

Get all badges rinse and repeat.
Oka, I'll give you that. But then again the Zelda games are the same way, with items collected instead of badges. Mario is on a linear path with no real deviation allowed (I know the warp tubes, but unless you know they're there, you're not going to skip worlds). ANd most any game that requires you to level up or not allow you to pick your path is the same way, where you have to overcome one goal and can not move on without choosing which path you'd like to take.

To add to the milking why do they release tow versions of the game on the same platform with the only difference being ONE damn pokemon?
Actually, most games only allow you certain pokemon to catch. I think in FR and LG, you could only catch growlithe in FR and Vulpix in LG (or vice versa). But in this game the physical world itself is entirely different (white forest and something else in white vs. Black city). There's still version exclusive pokemon and yes, the main one on the box is the real difference that most people will base their decision on. But even the gym leaders are different (Iris in White, Shaga in Black).

While yes, you can wait for whatever game they will release as the third game (pokemon Gray?) to get everything as well as a new pokemon that you may not get or where the focus isnt so much about getting it, each version itself has those nice little quirks that make them special. You can say nintendo is only doing it for money, and Hey, I wouldnt disagree. They are business. But the version exclusive encourages trade and getting together to complete the game, as well as building a nice joined fan base, which they can sell more games without the riots that might arise over "oh, Black is better cause it has Reshiram," and "nah uh! White is better cause it has Zekrom" that would cause bad blood when fans wanted to purchase the games.

People talk about COD, Halo etc. but THIS is the most milked franchise EVER
I wouldnt say ever. There's always Mario and LoZ. And FPSs on the whole are the same and overly milked. If its not Halo or CoD, then its a Halo or CoD clone. Besides, this is one of Nintendo's most solid corner stones. No matter what you do to a pokemon game, if it has the same basic formula that you seem to have an issue with, its going to be a solid game that will sell. Again, every game company is a business, so if it aint broke and its making you butt loads of money, why stop it or fix it?

Now, as to it being always the same, I dont think I've ever seen two games in different generations that were exactly the same. Since pokemon has come out, here's some of the changes we've seen:
- Introduction of pokemon
- Separation of the Special category into Sp. Attack and Sp. Defense
- Separation of the bag in terms of items and categories
- The night and day change based on real world time
- Friendship level (though this was seen in Yellow, it wasnt extensively brought out until G/S/C)
- Ability to set items to select
- Introduction of IVs, EVs, and Priority Movies
- Double Battles
- New types and variations of them (we've seen the addition of the new types Steel and Dark)
- Weather Conditions
- Triple battles
- Sprite Animations (both Trainer and Pokemon)
- Abilities
- Natures
And finally
- the difference between a Physical and Special attack and arena moves like Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes

Finally, the Dream World is a major change that is going to pretty much break the game, especially with the new Type combinations and the math involved in perfecting a competitive battle team.


Now, if you wnat to complain about Pokemon sprites and ideals, I do want to point out that GameFreak has gone from Myth to germ to otherworldly to extraterrestrial, and even the mechanical human made world. So stopping short of making religious deities pokemon (God vs Allah, or Moses vs Jesus and such), I would honestly like to know where anyone who says the designs are garbage would like them to go. People seem to think that all the money goes into the design, and the rest is just after thought, when really that sprite is meaningless. I'll quote myself from another thread:

This was in the Non Canon thread, but it relates to this:
emeraldrafael said:
goldendriger said:
Probably because you're (we're) not the target demographic. Pokemon isnt for our age, its for young kids. And lets not forget, these people that are "designing these crappy pokemon" are also designing new looks for old pokemon.
Charizard used to look like this:
http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/6.png
Reminds me of a down syndrome dragonite

Magmar used to look like this:
http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/126.png
Reminds me of those water head babies you're not supposed to laugh at.

Mewtwo used to look like this:
http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/150.png
Constipated?

Zapdos used to look like this:
http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/145.png
Oh noes, someone pissed off Big Bird

The original designs werent that great, even back then. So when you go and say that these designers are making crappy pokemon, remember they're making older pokemon new sprites. If they had just left the original 150 as their original sprites, everyone would be pissed. So its a little hard to be original, when you have to appease people who are far to old for the game so they dont whine and ***** that their favorite old pokemon look dumb.

And you're going to tell me that Weavile, Dialga, Electivire, Empoleon, Arceus, Darkrai, Giratina (either form doesnt really matter, though Giratina-O looks cooler in my opinion), And Lucario dont all look cool? Plus Garchomp.

And in the new generation, you get Kojondo, Jalorda, Mebukijika, Shibirudon, Zeburaika, Ononokusu, Sazandora, Pendoraa, Genosect, and Victini all are bad designs?
So knowing that GameFreak has to also work on the old pokemon, its hard for them to also make new pokemon. Besides again, everyone's complaining about a game that odds are, if you're on the Escapist you are beyond the target age audience. Pokemon is the standard intro RPG. its what you play when you want to get into gaming and have the choice of mindless fun ona linear level, or complex though provoking strategy through math that I've seen expressed as Mathematical Calculus problems that High School and even a College professor didnt want to look at and try and explain to me why someone would put this much effort in or how they came to it all. What with Probability and countering being so big of a margin, especially with the multitudes of sets you could run with a pokemon team, from Walls to tanks to passers to supporters to sweepers.

So yeah... thats probably why. If you odnt like it, stop complaining, other people like it, its there right. Who are YOU to decide what is and isnt played?