Why do people buy Pokemon games?
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i agree with this completely, hell if i knew where my gameboy and cartriges were i might still play red or gold, im unwilling to even concider playing the new ones because they arent MY pokemon, its wierd but that series is the only one where i feel resentful about it changing and moving on or whatever. maybe it hasnt, im just not willing to check!Madara XIII said:
The torch has been passed on.
bugger..i appear to have quoted someones quoting of the origional..
You're comparing shit to oranges (Halo and COD being shit).
Gameplay between the Pokemon games (at least Generation to Generation) changes a lot. Sometimes drastically. This will be the third time I've said this today... on this forum! But go check out the differences on Bulbapedia by reading the different articles on the generations. It's really evolved a lot (no pun intended). What has Halo done? A few new weapons and maps. A rather bland story. The latest game adding upgrades like jetpacks and special-armor or whatever. But that's like adding new characters, items, and weapons to a fighting game. It doesn't completely change how the game is played. It just adds a few things to a game while everything is generally the same.
Gameplay between the Pokemon games (at least Generation to Generation) changes a lot. Sometimes drastically. This will be the third time I've said this today... on this forum! But go check out the differences on Bulbapedia by reading the different articles on the generations. It's really evolved a lot (no pun intended). What has Halo done? A few new weapons and maps. A rather bland story. The latest game adding upgrades like jetpacks and special-armor or whatever. But that's like adding new characters, items, and weapons to a fighting game. It doesn't completely change how the game is played. It just adds a few things to a game while everything is generally the same.
Eh, I grew out of them after Crystal, but I can still see the appeal. Honestly though I just can't stand the goddam grinding. That, and I thought the actual monster designs really did take a downward spiral.
EDIT- And god dammit Escapist, can we have one thread that doesn't contain Halo and/or CoD bashing? They're fine to flame to all hell and how they're "the same thing", but someone says the same about Pokemon and everyone flips shit. Nobody else sees the hypocrisy there?!?
EDIT- And god dammit Escapist, can we have one thread that doesn't contain Halo and/or CoD bashing? They're fine to flame to all hell and how they're "the same thing", but someone says the same about Pokemon and everyone flips shit. Nobody else sees the hypocrisy there?!?
The artwork for R/B/Y was NOTHING like any of the the games after it, because after R/B/Y they started copying the art style of the games off of the anime.crudus said:
For instance, compare gen 1 weezing
to gen 5 weezing
Personally, I liked the art style of the first gen more then the rest because it was more gritty as opposed to being more cartoony, but for a lot of pokemon, there has definitely been an improvement from the first gen (I'm looking at you, squirtle)
i think people aren't getting that he's not talking about the overall idea of pokemon but more on the fasct that they haven't had any real change
halo has new modes maps and guns
cod is the same mods maps guns storys
but in pokemon you get your stuff battle the gyms fight some legendary face thed four and you win same every single game
you can say small stuff changed but nothing in the substantial form has
halo has new modes maps and guns
cod is the same mods maps guns storys
but in pokemon you get your stuff battle the gyms fight some legendary face thed four and you win same every single game
you can say small stuff changed but nothing in the substantial form has
If there's a new world to explore, new characters to meet, and a new story to unfold, coupled with tried-and-true beloved gameplay, people will buy it. Sequels don't always have to improve anything-- if it's AS GOOD, people will be happy. It's like buying endless expansions of your favorite game that never seems to get old.
That's it. The minimal changes are just enough to keep things fresh. The new games might be little more than glorified expansion packs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
That's it. The minimal changes are just enough to keep things fresh. The new games might be little more than glorified expansion packs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Ah, the idealist and optimistic hero who would do whatever he could to help those in need despite losing potential progress in his journey (Ash) vs The do whatever it takes to be the best, Troll who accomplished everything worthwhile before you did (Gary)LittleChone said:This.
Is where all video game rivals spanned from.
U MAD ASH!?
Time to get out the tinfoil hats!Arkvoodle said:
OT: But seriously. Because it's a game that anyone can enjoy, and people still enjoy. Think about it: 20 year-olds can play it and beat the game, and 9 year-olds can play it and beat the game. You can play it at its simplest level and get enjoyment out of it, or theorycrafting nerds can mine it for all its team-building, stat micromanaging goodness. And well, it's not the same game repackaged every time. They add more functionality with every release. Platinum is infinitely more evolved (lul, accidental pun) than Red/Blue.
Part of it is also nostalgia. It's also part of the reason why people keep buying Nintendo's Top 5 franchises.
Thats actually ignoring quite a few games.Fanta Grape said:
Unless Snap, Stadium, the Ranger games, Rescue Team, etc. dont count. Then you're right.
Oh, and Im to lazy to quote the people who said these things, the theif is actually related to Giovanni, not Lance, and Snivvy is supposed to be based off a snake.....kinda.....just, look at its evolutions.....
Well some people like that game play and don?t get bored with it. Also there's always a new generation of gamers to pick up these things, whether they were just born or it took them till a little later on to find games or even just to find those specific games.
So they keep getting made and people keep on playing them.
So they keep getting made and people keep on playing them.
Oh, that's right. Pardon me. Although admittedly, I don't believe any of them were very good except the Pokemon Stadium gamesbluemew1234 said:
After watching the "Skinner box" episode of extra credits, I've finally realised it myself. I finally understand why I love pokemon so much
After playing through diamond, I remember thinking: "Wait, I've already played this game 3 times before! They're not getting me next time!" Cut to now, and I'm ridiculously hyped for Black and White.
Why? Well, in the episode they demonstrated alternatives to simply putting a reward at the end of a repeated action to make games engaging, and pokemon provides some great examples:
1) Mystery. By adding 100+ new pokemon and a brand new world each time, Game Freak allow the player to investigate their surroundings and make discoveries. The curiosity of the player becomes a driving force for starting the game, but, however, not necessarily for finishing it. That's where 2 comes in.
2) Mastery. With all of those pokemon, and the catchy slogan of "gotta catch 'em all" players are driven to obtain all 493 pokemon (650+ as of Generation 5) and to master their favourites. Pokemon has a HUGE online community, with plenty of depth and strategy. Regular tournaments are held, allowing players to pit their skills and prove who is really a pokemon master.
3) Mental Challenge. Not initially a strong point to a first time player, but play to the end, and eventually all of the deep mechanics need to be weighed out in decision making. What's your opponent's pokemon weak against? What's your pokemon weak against? Is your pokemon a physical or special attacker? Is your opponent a physical or special defender? How will the pokemon's abilities come into play? All of these decisions provide great mental stimulation, and beating a tough battle can be as satisfying as solving a tough mental puzzle.
Now 4, narrative, isn't a strong point in the series, but 5, Novelty, Is something it excels in. Just look at the roster of pokemon and you'll see what I mean. There is more character in the pose on a psyduck, the pattern on a togepi, or the eyes on a garchomp than there are in a Spartan's visor or a Blops avatar. It may not hold you 'till the end, but hopefully it will hook you long enough for the game to grow on you.
I don't truly understand number 6, flow, yet, but hopefully the 4 reasons above are good enough.
Thanks for reading, I hope I've been helpful.
After playing through diamond, I remember thinking: "Wait, I've already played this game 3 times before! They're not getting me next time!" Cut to now, and I'm ridiculously hyped for Black and White.
Why? Well, in the episode they demonstrated alternatives to simply putting a reward at the end of a repeated action to make games engaging, and pokemon provides some great examples:
1) Mystery. By adding 100+ new pokemon and a brand new world each time, Game Freak allow the player to investigate their surroundings and make discoveries. The curiosity of the player becomes a driving force for starting the game, but, however, not necessarily for finishing it. That's where 2 comes in.
2) Mastery. With all of those pokemon, and the catchy slogan of "gotta catch 'em all" players are driven to obtain all 493 pokemon (650+ as of Generation 5) and to master their favourites. Pokemon has a HUGE online community, with plenty of depth and strategy. Regular tournaments are held, allowing players to pit their skills and prove who is really a pokemon master.
3) Mental Challenge. Not initially a strong point to a first time player, but play to the end, and eventually all of the deep mechanics need to be weighed out in decision making. What's your opponent's pokemon weak against? What's your pokemon weak against? Is your pokemon a physical or special attacker? Is your opponent a physical or special defender? How will the pokemon's abilities come into play? All of these decisions provide great mental stimulation, and beating a tough battle can be as satisfying as solving a tough mental puzzle.
Now 4, narrative, isn't a strong point in the series, but 5, Novelty, Is something it excels in. Just look at the roster of pokemon and you'll see what I mean. There is more character in the pose on a psyduck, the pattern on a togepi, or the eyes on a garchomp than there are in a Spartan's visor or a Blops avatar. It may not hold you 'till the end, but hopefully it will hook you long enough for the game to grow on you.
I don't truly understand number 6, flow, yet, but hopefully the 4 reasons above are good enough.
Thanks for reading, I hope I've been helpful.
True.Madara XIII said:Ah, the idealist and optimistic hero who would do whatever he could to help those in need despite losing potential progress in his journey (Ash) vs The do whatever it takes to be the best, Troll who accomplished everything worthwhile before you did (Gary)LittleChone said:This.
Is where all video game rivals spanned from.
U MAD ASH!?
Yea, I didn't play gen 2. But I played gen 3 and really liked it. Now I'm waiting for gen 5. Differences should be interesting.subtlefuge said:
And some other stuff I forgot to mention.
You can now have your pkmn unlearn HM moves. AND you can have them learn old moves. This strangly lets evolved pokemon learn attacks their previous forms did not. Not sure what gens they added each feature.
And no matter what game you play, grinding is involved. A game is ALWAYS a task that is repetitive. Can't be avoided or you don't have a game, just something to poke at.
Because they're fun addictive and fvcking pokémon what more do you want? and MARIO is way more milked compared to Pokémon;it's the same with Final Fantasy too.IamSofaKingRaw said: