Why do people seem to think Gamepads are better than KB+M?
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ROFL!!!! There would be far less rage quitters in Red Orchestra 2 if this were true. Never heard his one before, it's a good one. Just curious, aim assist on controllers? Perfectly normal? Not cheating at all? It's like I've gone through the looking glass seriously.Mr Fixit said:
On Topic: You will find that the most adamant supporters of controllers are better, are usually console fanboys, in my experience anyway. They find themselves getting really good with a controller seemingly unaware that aim assist, as mentioned above, even exists on consoles, and in fact is a requirement for most FPS games to be even playable.
Some RPG/Action games work better with a controller, like Darksiders, but inventory management is usually a pain in the ass. Open world movement feels better on a controller, as just holding W and Shift to sprint gets tiring.
Mouse and Keyboard are great for everything else, and I pray for the souls of the poor people who try to play PC shooters with controllers. It's a deliberate handicap.
Mouse and Keyboard are great for everything else, and I pray for the souls of the poor people who try to play PC shooters with controllers. It's a deliberate handicap.
To answer the original question.
Because people are wrong.
It is not a subjective thing. Keyboard and mouse offers a faster and more accurate input.
There's no debate to this.
Some games "Feel" better with a controller. It's subjective. And that's fine, if you prefer it, that's not an issue, nor are you somehow "Inferior" for liking it.
But, it's incorrect to think it's faster or more accurate in any capacity.
From a purely technical point of view, a keyboard and mouse is better.
Because people are wrong.
It is not a subjective thing. Keyboard and mouse offers a faster and more accurate input.
There's no debate to this.
Some games "Feel" better with a controller. It's subjective. And that's fine, if you prefer it, that's not an issue, nor are you somehow "Inferior" for liking it.
But, it's incorrect to think it's faster or more accurate in any capacity.
From a purely technical point of view, a keyboard and mouse is better.
With my current living arrangement, playing with KB and M takes a lot of effort.
I play videogames in a small room I share with my friend. My friend takes up most of the room because he's been there longer than I have.
Because there is very little room for solid surface to place my keyboard and mouse, controllers are how I play my games.
So yeah, controllers are better for me at this moment because I can play with it while sitting, lying on my bed. That goes the same with console over PC as well.
I play videogames in a small room I share with my friend. My friend takes up most of the room because he's been there longer than I have.
Because there is very little room for solid surface to place my keyboard and mouse, controllers are how I play my games.
So yeah, controllers are better for me at this moment because I can play with it while sitting, lying on my bed. That goes the same with console over PC as well.
A mouse is technically better, but a keyboard gives you less freedom of movement (8 directions) than an analogue stick (360 degrees).The Lunatic said:
FPS, RTS, MMO, RPG (depends), 2D Fighters - keyboard+mouse
Driving/Racing, RPG (depends), PS1/PS2 emulations - gamepad
That's right, I personally find 2D fighters significantly easier to play with a keyboard. Many of them revolve around rapidly inputting specific directions, and a d-pad (or stick) controlled by 1 thumb is always going to be inferior to 4 independent fingers ready to hit all directions. Hence Hitbox was invented:
The only limitation to this is playing characters that require 360/720-degree directional inputs (e.g. Zangief from Street Fighter) for which an analog stick is hands-down necessary.
Driving/Racing, RPG (depends), PS1/PS2 emulations - gamepad
That's right, I personally find 2D fighters significantly easier to play with a keyboard. Many of them revolve around rapidly inputting specific directions, and a d-pad (or stick) controlled by 1 thumb is always going to be inferior to 4 independent fingers ready to hit all directions. Hence Hitbox was invented:
The only limitation to this is playing characters that require 360/720-degree directional inputs (e.g. Zangief from Street Fighter) for which an analog stick is hands-down necessary.
I've played a lot of both Console and PC. I started out on PC, went to Consoles with the PS1 and now I'm beginning to make my way back again. I, personally, prefer a Mouse & Keyboard over a Controller (Though there are exceptions, of course, like fighting games). I couldn't, for the life of me, tell you why I do. I've just found it feels better to me.
I admit it's great for First Person Shooters (and maybe RTS games, but I've never played any), but for everything else, it's just not comfortable. A lot of games are made with controllers in mind anyway.
Again, great for FPS games, but practically everything else is a hand-cramping joke.
Again, great for FPS games, but practically everything else is a hand-cramping joke.
This is an incredibly situational subject. On the subject of First Person Shooters, KB+M is objectively better. Objectively. There are also several genres which only work with KB+M. Have you ever tried playing a 4X game with a controller? Or a MOBA? Tell me how it goes.
However, keep in mind there are genres that are better on gamepad than controller. What specifically come to mind are Platformers(2D and 3D) and character-action/CUHRAZEE games. Fighting games, which do best on Arcade Sticks, are infinitely better than KB+M on controllers.
It really is dependent on the genre. But FPS games are objectively better on KB+M than controllers. Anyone who argues this is objectively wrong. I actually would love to see a Highlander TF2 match with 1 team on KB+M against 1 team on gamepads and watch how fucking stomped the gamepad team would get.
However, keep in mind there are genres that are better on gamepad than controller. What specifically come to mind are Platformers(2D and 3D) and character-action/CUHRAZEE games. Fighting games, which do best on Arcade Sticks, are infinitely better than KB+M on controllers.
It really is dependent on the genre. But FPS games are objectively better on KB+M than controllers. Anyone who argues this is objectively wrong. I actually would love to see a Highlander TF2 match with 1 team on KB+M against 1 team on gamepads and watch how fucking stomped the gamepad team would get.
Because for some types of games they are better (action games like Devil May Cry, God of War and the like, fighting games, racing games etc.), just like KB+M is better for some types of games (shooters, RPGs, strategy games etc.)
What is broadly better isn't going to matter much to most. It's what they are are use to and is better for the games and style they like to play in. Some types of games are better with a controller and even for some genres that aren't but are still playable with one like FPS using a controller is more relaxed and using Kb & M only matters in a competitive scene.
For me, I have a massive preference for Gamepads but it also depends on the game. For an RTS or some RPG games I prefer to use keyboards but for almost everything else I prefer gamepads. I think it's because I've been gaming on a console since I was but a wee lass but I find keyboards to be just too unwieldy when it comes to playing many of the genres I prefer or I just find the movement of a character more visually appealing on a controller. Yes, that's silly but it's also the reason I prefer analogue sticks for movement as opposed to using the directional buttons.
All in all, it's just a bunch of little preferences that will change what a person will choose to use. Some might view something as inherently "better" and maybe, objectively, it is but it doesn't mean much if that isn't what another person prefers to use.
All in all, it's just a bunch of little preferences that will change what a person will choose to use. Some might view something as inherently "better" and maybe, objectively, it is but it doesn't mean much if that isn't what another person prefers to use.
I've often felt third person-camera games are awkward with a keyboard. Dark Souls, Sleeping Dogs, Kingdom of Amalur were all awful to play. Managed to learn with Dark souls, but it was still better with gamepad.
First person games however are definetly superior with keyboard and mouse since you often need good precision.
First person games however are definetly superior with keyboard and mouse since you often need good precision.
I play with all controller types and every controller is valid as long as the game is designed well and is a good fit. I find it quite sad that there are big swathes of the gaming community out there who play all their games on KB&M or pad and won't put in the effort to learn other control types even if it will enhance their gaming experience in the long run.
IE playing Dark Souls or DMC with M&K or avoiding modern racing games because they use analog accell / braking. Or pad users tying to compete in MP PC FPS and not been able to win a match.
IE playing Dark Souls or DMC with M&K or avoiding modern racing games because they use analog accell / braking. Or pad users tying to compete in MP PC FPS and not been able to win a match.
I find it more hilarious how people still claim that controllers are equal to or better than m/kb. Just watch these two videos that absolutely proves that players with m/kb have a HUGE advantage over players that use controllers. It's two Quake Live matches that proves without a shadow of a doubt that controllers can't keep up with players who use m/kb. The second video is so brutal with the constant humiliations... makes my pc elitism on the inside cry out with pride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF5hqdc510g
I'm sorry, but this is definitive proof by using the most skilled FPS in shooter history that controllers are garbage compared to M/KB. Except for platformers and Fighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF5hqdc510g
I'm sorry, but this is definitive proof by using the most skilled FPS in shooter history that controllers are garbage compared to M/KB. Except for platformers and Fighters.
