Why do people support Geohot?

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I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

I'd rather suffer in a video game than have corporations have a legal precedence to control every damn thing in my life. Its not about the damn otherOS, though that was a dick move by Sony, for sure.
If it were just about the otherOS, Geohot'd have plenty of support, but nothing like he does now.

To be honest as long as they let me play games and DVDs in it, I couldn't careless what they do with the thing. Remove all the stuff you like or add in shit like some music player, I don't care as long as I can play a game and watch films.

There was an option not to remove other OS, just meant it couldn't play games or the like.

(I don't usually do this but ... my captcha was: ongly Ernst. It sounds like a good name for a book.)

Exactly what precedence is it going to set exactly? Can't change the software after purchase? Have to obey what the makers say? I do anyway ...

Two things here. First, if this actually does make hacking in online games so common that they're practically unplayable, then that's Sony's fault for making a terrible online infrastructure. I've been playing PC games online for close to ten years now, and I can think of two games that had been overrun by hackers -- both of which were pretty much abandoned at that point. *Edit: One because it was really old, and the other because it was a multiplayer flash game that had terrible devs. It wasn't the hackers that screwed things up.* All the other games I played had the same kind of tools available, heck, some of them were open source, which should have made it ridiculously easy to cheat at. Instead, the games came with anticheat software that was actually effective, and then compounded it by giving server admins the ability to kick or ban cheaters, and on many servers, the admins enabled the players to vote for a kick. I haven't seen a cheater in years.

As for the other thing, well, let's say Sony randomly decided to take away the ability to play games and DVDs instead of the Other OS feature. Wouldn't you have been pissed off, and been cheering on the first person to re-enable those features? The fact that Sony would never remove game playing ability doesn't make it any less valid of an analogy, because the people who bought the PS3 for its Linux ability didn't care about the games any more than you cared about Linux. To them, it was a powerful PC that, at the time they were buying it, cost much less than a comparable PC. It was one of the Escapist's own contributors who said something to the effect of "you don't mess with the kind of people who install Linux on their PS3."

So it's sonys fault if hackers run rampant and it's sonys fault for trying to prevent hackers running rampant, I have to say sony can't do anything without being considered a dick company.

What would you do? Compromise PSN or try to shut down all hackers and those releasing codes? I know what I would do. Sure some people will just want to "homebrew" but how many will ruin others online exp? They could implement a vote kick thing but they obviously think prevention is better than cure.

That's odd of you to say, that's really odd! A console being more cost effective than a PC, I usually hear that PC's lord over consoles in every way. Anyway that's off topic.

That analogy is just plain awful! "Lets make a console that can't play games, or a toaster that can't toast". If you wanted to not play games on the PS3 and just use the other OS option then why did they, not sony, disable it? Every single person had the choice to install the update or not.

People already say XBL is better than PSN, which I doubt, but if this does pass and hackers run rampant then XBL will be miles better.

 

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I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

I'd rather suffer in a video game than have corporations have a legal precedence to control every damn thing in my life. Its not about the damn otherOS, though that was a dick move by Sony, for sure.
If it were just about the otherOS, Geohot'd have plenty of support, but nothing like he does now.

To be honest as long as they let me play games and DVDs in it, I couldn't careless what they do with the thing. Remove all the stuff you like or add in shit like some music player, I don't care as long as I can play a game and watch films.

There was an option not to remove other OS, just meant it couldn't play games or the like.

(I don't usually do this but ... my captcha was: ongly Ernst. It sounds like a good name for a book.)

Exactly what precedence is it going to set exactly? Can't change the software after purchase? Have to obey what the makers say? I do anyway ...

Two things here. First, if this actually does make hacking in online games so common that they're practically unplayable, then that's Sony's fault for making a terrible online infrastructure. I've been playing PC games online for close to ten years now, and I can think of two games that had been overrun by hackers -- both of which were pretty much abandoned at that point. *Edit: One because it was really old, and the other because it was a multiplayer flash game that had terrible devs. It wasn't the hackers that screwed things up.* All the other games I played had the same kind of tools available, heck, some of them were open source, which should have made it ridiculously easy to cheat at. Instead, the games came with anticheat software that was actually effective, and then compounded it by giving server admins the ability to kick or ban cheaters, and on many servers, the admins enabled the players to vote for a kick. I haven't seen a cheater in years.

As for the other thing, well, let's say Sony randomly decided to take away the ability to play games and DVDs instead of the Other OS feature. Wouldn't you have been pissed off, and been cheering on the first person to re-enable those features? The fact that Sony would never remove game playing ability doesn't make it any less valid of an analogy, because the people who bought the PS3 for its Linux ability didn't care about the games any more than you cared about Linux. To them, it was a powerful PC that, at the time they were buying it, cost much less than a comparable PC. It was one of the Escapist's own contributors who said something to the effect of "you don't mess with the kind of people who install Linux on their PS3."

So it's sonys fault if hackers run rampant and it's sonys fault for trying to prevent hackers running rampant, I have to say sony can't do anything without being considered a dick company.

What would you do? Compromise PSN or try to shut down all hackers and those releasing codes? I know what I would do. Sure some people will just want to "homebrew" but how many will ruin others online exp? They could implement a vote kick thing but they obviously think prevention is better than cure.

That's odd of you to say, that's really odd! A console being more cost effective than a PC, I usually hear that PC's lord over consoles in every way. Anyway that's off topic.

That analogy is just plain awful! "Lets make a console that can't play games, or a toaster that can't toast". If you wanted to not play games on the PS3 and just use the other OS option then why did they, not sony, disable it? Every single person had the choice to install the update or not.

People already say XBL is better than PSN, which I doubt, but if this does pass and hackers run rampant then XBL will be miles better.

Yes, it's Sony's faut that they have no anti-cheat, no dedicated servers, and no kick/ban function. They're still stuck in a last-gen mind set, that consoles are safe from hacking simply because they're consoles. If they did what PC game companies do -- which I outlined in the post -- hackers could have all the tools they need to hack online, but still be stuck hacking offline and in special, non-anticheat servers reserved just for hackers.

With the cheap PC thing, $600 for a PS3 level PC was cheap -- back at system launch. There really isn't anything to say on the matter other than gaming Pcs have come down in cost and up in power since then, while the consoles have come down in both cost and features.

As for the analogy, you brought it on yourself, but I'll humor you. Let's say instead of exclusively caring about linux, they also cared about gaming, the way you care about both gaming and DVD support. And let's say in your case, they kept one of the features you cared about, but dropped the other one. Wouldn't you be mad about that? I know I would -- one of the biggest reasons a PS3 is the console I would get if I were to get a console is the Bluray player. If I bought it, and a few years down the road they said "You can either have games, or keep your Bluray functionality, because in this update, we're nuking the Bluray drive" I would be severely pissed, and you'd better believe that sucker would be jailbroken.