That would imply that we, as a species, have a specific purpose. I disagree that we have. We can all have our own personal goals, but there will never be one general goal. Even such "evident" ones like survival and procreation aren't static. Some people see no need in having children of their own (people like me) and some even seek out death. It is all highly relativistic.Mintaro said:
Why do screwups stick around?
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I guess it boils down to how you're interpreting "design". It's not a very rigidly defined word, as it turns out.Mullahgrrl said:
Where is this thread going exactly cause I don't understand... is it about success? what is success? do you consider yourself succesful? does money = success? does family = success? does college degree = success? what is your goal? what's your ideal? are you a fighter? ... fact is... no one here is entitled to judge another but they do it anyway so... yeah... people are stupid. wait what? wtf am i talking about? what are you talkin' about? obvious troll is obvious... whatever.... bla bla bla bla... spam... spam... spam... next thread pls.
I resent TC's generalisation about underachievers like myself. I don't like trackie bottoms.
But seriously, who gives a damn if someone is an (under)achiever: "what do you do?" is one of the most insidious questions, and certainly the one that is most representative of our society.
But seriously, who gives a damn if someone is an (under)achiever: "what do you do?" is one of the most insidious questions, and certainly the one that is most representative of our society.
I actually think that too. I drink, hell, I had to temporarily ban myself from this forum in order to prevent a slew of incredible stupidity last night. Not that it stopped me doing that on facebook...Lord Mountbatten Reborn said:
But when I guess if you have achieved nothing and will achieve nothing, there's little point in doing much else from that point of view, and such people end up filling their empty life with drink. Not healthy, and not the only way, but still, it's understandable why they would go to that point.
Yay, elitist thread!
People, I'd just like to say that not aiming to be president of the omniverse doesn't exactly make you an idiot. Every contribution to society is needed, if all the under-paid, uneducated builders in the world gave up their jobs and strived to be successful actors/ writers/ artists things would go to sh*t. Fast.
People, I'd just like to say that not aiming to be president of the omniverse doesn't exactly make you an idiot. Every contribution to society is needed, if all the under-paid, uneducated builders in the world gave up their jobs and strived to be successful actors/ writers/ artists things would go to sh*t. Fast.
Well, really... the fact that this is most of us. The media makes sure we hear about all of the over-achievers on their very best days, but that's not every day. Most days, you arrive alive at the end, and that's all that can be said about it. Other days, you fight and claw for one step toward a goal. Some people are lucky enough to start a little further down that path (through money, connections, or what-have-you).similar.squirrel said:
But we face the choice each day of either saying, "Though I do not have it as easy as Jim or Jane, I will do what I can," or saying, "Since I cannot do what Jim or Jane can do, I will do nothing."
(Some people are admittedly self-sabotaging, as well. They'll intentionally aim to achieve too much (or at least too much all at once), knowing they'll eventually fail, and this allows them to feel justified in saying, "See? I tried. Now I do nothing.")
similar.squirrel said:
Gah! Fuck off Nyx, I already beat you!Nyx said:
But yeah.
Why not give up?
Because there's so much to do... and so little time.
Not all of it is enjoyable, true, but it must still be done.
If not for others, then for your own experience and growth as a person.
similar.squirrel said:
I'm going with a heaping dose of delusion. A lot of the people I've known who are less than stellar either don't realize it, cling to the one thing in their past that they did excel in, or are just completely delusional/pathological liars and will make-up the most outlandish claims to make themselves seem like they are the greatest person to ever live. I'm still unsure whether the last part is to make themselves look good in others eyes or in their own.Genericjim101 said:
Sometimes there is not much to do,you have obligations, bills. If you only have a crappy min wage job at 715 an hour...full time. School would be hard to do, you might not be able to because of the time and money you would have to spend on it, Hell you might not be motivated. I know my dad wants to go back to school but...time. He works 40+ hours a week within a span of 3-4 days and still works a side job which also takes a toll. Could you really blame someone like that if with there small amount of time left they would rather, go bowling? This is also a man who does not drink, does not smoke, does not do drugs. Like at all...When I turn 21 (legal drinking age for all of you non mericans) I will be surprised if we even go to a bar together.similar.squirrel said:
This, pretty much.Woodsey said:
You'd be surprised what the average human being will put up with.
I think your are experiencing confirmation bias. You're only counting the ones who never rise up, and ignoring the ones that did. Look at the recently deceased Steve Jobs. He was once so poor he had to collect coke bottles for food money. Winston Churchhill was pretty much entirely a failure in life until his 60's. Lincoln had four failed businesses and lost a big election before he became President. The world is filled with the stories of failures who rose to become successes.
Well, perhaps I was wrong in that, due to a more general definition of design which implies an intended purpose in every possible sub-definition.Mullahgrrl said:
A design is a product of intelligence, however. There are no scientific indications that human beings were such a product. So let's assume that before we developed intelligence, no organisms on the planet Earth were designed in any sense of the word.
Yes, that's what some people refer to as "late bloomers". That's just as I said: if you're alive you still have a chance. Futility is not an answer.honestdiscussioner said:
The same reason we all get up in the morning; they have hope for something better. It takes quit a lot to break that innate hope. Of course loads of fashionable misanthropes and gentleman nihilists will protest to the contrary, but largely, they're bullshitting even if they don't realise it.
We're all hardwired to have a self preservation complex. Like any brain function, it's up for malfunction and that's when we get suicidals - but not everyone will have that defect, much like not everyone has an aversion to rock music.
Humans, as a whole, tend to place a positive spin on things also to alleviate the idea of failure. The phrase 'no mistakes, only learning curves' is prime to this.
Relativity helps also, with them perhaps not placing value on what others do. I'd wager them being happier than you, for example, as they don't require the dissemination of another 'group' to ratify their own happiness.
To be honest, I find the curiosity of of yours pretty arrogant - as clearly you're rating yourself above people who at a core level are equal.
Humans, as a whole, tend to place a positive spin on things also to alleviate the idea of failure. The phrase 'no mistakes, only learning curves' is prime to this.
Relativity helps also, with them perhaps not placing value on what others do. I'd wager them being happier than you, for example, as they don't require the dissemination of another 'group' to ratify their own happiness.
To be honest, I find the curiosity of of yours pretty arrogant - as clearly you're rating yourself above people who at a core level are equal.
