Why do so many people not understand how to play a shooter?
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in the good old days we would call that and only that camping. because if you get a good snyping spot and stay there or wait in an area where your weapon works for enemies(like staying inside a building with your shotgun and not run around in the wide open space outside) that is not camping, that is not playing like an idiot.omega 616 said:
OP: did you ever play Quake 3? because camping was not the point of that game, the point of that game was to rocketjump around a pillar and shoot people in the back with a railgun
Pubs on objective-based modes are sometimes annoying. I play KF so it's not exactly the same, but a bad random or two can ruin a round really easily by ignoring strategies or not supporting the team. I usually run a private server with a team if it's important that we all communicate and win, otherwise I don't expect much and take things as they come.
Timesplitters as well on top of everything else people have been saying.Danceofmasks said:
You're basically totally wrong.
OT: People just wanna do shit and get kills. Sad but true, if you want to get a near guarenteed chance for a decent game you'll need to join a clan or something.
Kill counts mostly. Some people care so much about their stats (I mean the kind of people that would shut off their consoles if the game was about to end and their K/D was too low) that they'll just sit back and camp at their spawn or find some obscure corner somewhere and camp there too. I just think that the prevailing mentality is that in team based games, the other members of the team will do all the work for you. That's also how you get people using sniper rifles or hogging tanks when it's apparent to everyone that they have no aptitude for them. As long as their K/D is high or they don't have to exert themselves as much, completing the objective is a secondary priority.
I also get that some people just want to goof off. That's fine, I do that too sometimes. When I'm playing DM and objectives games in Battlefield 3 and I manage to sneak up on an enemy squad, I get knife crazy and try to assassinate as many as I can. Yeah, I'd be more efficient shooting them with my silenced pistol and be able to save my teammates/capture the objective faster, but I'd rather just throw their dog tags into my collection. In CoD my friends and I will choose ridiculous set ups in order to try and one up each other, even to the point of trying to get glitzy final kill cams when we're neck to neck with the other team.
I also get that some people just want to goof off. That's fine, I do that too sometimes. When I'm playing DM and objectives games in Battlefield 3 and I manage to sneak up on an enemy squad, I get knife crazy and try to assassinate as many as I can. Yeah, I'd be more efficient shooting them with my silenced pistol and be able to save my teammates/capture the objective faster, but I'd rather just throw their dog tags into my collection. In CoD my friends and I will choose ridiculous set ups in order to try and one up each other, even to the point of trying to get glitzy final kill cams when we're neck to neck with the other team.
As a console player since N64 I can tell you that not only is it possible to play controllers with out aim assist but prefer to. There are several occasions in which two people were to close together and aim assist would drag my sights away from who I wanted to target to the next person. I personally feel that aim assist is unnecessary.Danceofmasks said:
First off, you sound like a whiny little kid, upset that people are not playing the game like you.Phoenixmgs said:
Second (and a more serious answer), is K/D. It is the very bane of existence, and exists solely for fucking people over. It does so by making people, whether season vets or noobs, use the cheapest tactics to get a high kill count for as few deaths as possible. One of the best game modes to do this is in objective modes where the match victory isnt determined by number of kills, so they can play till the match reaches the time limit, increasing their K/D.
Cause then I only half to worry about *Half* the people in the match trying to kill me.Dryk said:
I expected a rant, and that's what I got. You lost me at "the point of every shooter is to camp." You go on to say that you shouldn't be afraid of death. If you weren't afraid of death, you wouldn't camp (with the exception of snipers.)
I think it ultimately boils down to a tragedy of the commons type of problem. Most people want to win, but winning (in a strategic multiplayer scenario) requires some players to do not so fun things like standing guard or healing. Without a higher power of sorts, sanctioning good and bad team play, there will always be suckers who put their personal fun over the team goal and there will always be good willing people who turn to doing the same thing out of frustration. You can only guard a strategic spot for so long if you find out it's hopeless because everybody else on your team is ganking on their own.
The easy and obvious solution is to either play in premade groups with people you know and somewhat care about or to build a gaming system where you cannot easily NOT fulfill your role.
wrt players simply sucking: well, that's what you will find if there is no kind of ranking system. It doesn't make sense to group NFL level players with those who couldn't make the high school football team if their life depended on it. And no, not everybody will be intuitively good in those kind of games, no matter how easy you think it is.
The easy and obvious solution is to either play in premade groups with people you know and somewhat care about or to build a gaming system where you cannot easily NOT fulfill your role.
wrt players simply sucking: well, that's what you will find if there is no kind of ranking system. It doesn't make sense to group NFL level players with those who couldn't make the high school football team if their life depended on it. And no, not everybody will be intuitively good in those kind of games, no matter how easy you think it is.
I remember one round of TF2. There was only a few minutes left in the round, I was the only person pushing the cart, and all of my teammates were spies. We didn't win.
My most played class is the medic, mainly because most people don't pick that class. The people who do pick that class usually focus on one person, and ignore the rest of their team... even if their team happens to be on fire, and striking them with a bottle while screaming "MEEEEDIIIIIIIC!!" So, I'm usually the one stuck trying to keep everyone alive.
At least I got some cool achievements:
-First Do No Harm
-Specialist
-Placebo Effect
-Chief of Staff
My most played class is the medic, mainly because most people don't pick that class. The people who do pick that class usually focus on one person, and ignore the rest of their team... even if their team happens to be on fire, and striking them with a bottle while screaming "MEEEEDIIIIIIIC!!" So, I'm usually the one stuck trying to keep everyone alive.
At least I got some cool achievements:
-First Do No Harm
-Specialist
-Placebo Effect
-Chief of Staff
The only FPS I play is TF2, and the average player is so clueless it's really sad. It's only fun on a handful of community servers with many regualrs. And even then, at least 80% of the players on the server have to be regs, or the cluelessness and absolute imcompetence of your and/or the enemy team ruins the fun.
I play Medic most of the time and I'm always trying to keep track of everything around me. I can usually tell from experience if it's safe to peak around a corner or if it's time to retreat. But no matter how good you are, as a Medic you are also depending on your team making sure you don't die to Scouts all the time. As OP said, this isn't about DM skills, it's about trying to win and paying attention. If I get attacked by a Scout and my pocket Soldier just can't hit him and I die, I won't complain. At least he tried. But when my pocket doesn't even wonder why my health drops for no apparent reason, doesn't listen to me calling for help, doesn't hear the scattergun shots, etc... Why am I even playing Medic?
And then there is that general behavior. Having too many support classes and not enough attacking classes. Engies building a level 3 sentry nest on last, while the rest of the team is trying to cap mid. A spy having a backstabbing killing spree and nobody hears anything. I used to give people advice, not even in a hateful manner because I know how counterproductive that is, telling them it's better to do this and that. The usual respone is: "Dude, I just wanna have fun." As if I don't want to have fun. As if trying to win can't be fun by definition. I don't see the point. If you don't want to win, play Minecraft.
TF2. Serious business.
I play Medic most of the time and I'm always trying to keep track of everything around me. I can usually tell from experience if it's safe to peak around a corner or if it's time to retreat. But no matter how good you are, as a Medic you are also depending on your team making sure you don't die to Scouts all the time. As OP said, this isn't about DM skills, it's about trying to win and paying attention. If I get attacked by a Scout and my pocket Soldier just can't hit him and I die, I won't complain. At least he tried. But when my pocket doesn't even wonder why my health drops for no apparent reason, doesn't listen to me calling for help, doesn't hear the scattergun shots, etc... Why am I even playing Medic?
And then there is that general behavior. Having too many support classes and not enough attacking classes. Engies building a level 3 sentry nest on last, while the rest of the team is trying to cap mid. A spy having a backstabbing killing spree and nobody hears anything. I used to give people advice, not even in a hateful manner because I know how counterproductive that is, telling them it's better to do this and that. The usual respone is: "Dude, I just wanna have fun." As if I don't want to have fun. As if trying to win can't be fun by definition. I don't see the point. If you don't want to win, play Minecraft.
TF2. Serious business.
Hardly unique to CoD, Halo and BF either. Games that should be the best bet at proving the existence of the PC master-race like Red Orchestra and Natural Selection are crowded with the worst type of noobs same as anywhere else.
It's like playing hockey outdoors over chipped ice.
It's like playing hockey outdoors over chipped ice.
Well, that's the problem with ranked games, verifiable records, and shooters becoming one of the accepted "E-sports" out there with people in the "bro" crowd increasingly respecting skill with these games. Generally speaking nobody cares about how good a team player you are, and there is no way to verify that, but they can generally look up your profile if they are curious and see your K/D ratio.Gottesstrafe said:
In general when dealing with games full of random people, few people care what the rest of the people in the game really think because it's literally a 5 minute relationship, and odds are everyone is going to think everyone else is a butthole anyway. A lot of the time at least one person on the team is going to be a troll anyway.
If you want to play shooters "right" you pretty much need to do it socially, and get together with the same people constantly in a clan, guild, or whatever else you want to call it. Otherwise the only constant is your K/D ratio and tracked stats, which people care about more than your W/L ratio since you can always blame that as always being stuck with moron puggers, you can point to the K/D ratio as "proof" that your actually really good.
Truthfully I stay away from online shooters for a lot of these reasons, ditto for most multi-player, competitive games, because I don't have any friends who do them to play them "right" (and I have tried them). To be honest though at it's worst I don't think shooters have quite reached the level of douchebaggery as fighting games which generally lack the same social component on ANY level, and thanks to players like Justin Wong and their E-fame, have actually become even more competitive. With fighting games I wound up giving up on them to some extent because whenever you win there is a tendency by the losers to report you for things like "unsportsmanlike conduct", especially if you break a winning streak or something.
I play league of legends a lot and there we have a level system. I am at max level of 30 and play with others at that level, but the stupidity knows no limits and over time I went far beyond frustrated. So by now I dont give a shit, I take my pride in doing my best, but I cant change my team. If they play like they are retared chimpanzees glued upside down to the chair, its a great success if they get anything done or the enemy team is even worse and only has lemurs.
You ever seen sandy ravage with a shotgun? Look up "spaztex 130" on YouTube. Even pros playing old school fps played like that, watch fata1ity or 2gd...them guys don't stop moving.teebeeohh said:
Sitting in an obscure corner, ads with a shotgun not only pisses off your victim (cos he never had a chance, it wasn't down to skill) it must bore you to tears. It's like playing monopoly and not buying anything or worms and just building stuff.
The only reason they do it is to get a good k/d, which they never do! They always end up about 1.2 or 0.8, it's nothing.
They aren't going to improve by by acting like a turret, just continue to annoy people who are trying to improve.
Not really a rant. I'm just astounded with how many people don't understand the most basic concepts like doing the same thing over and over, it failing every time, and not thinking what I'm doing is just wrong. It doesn't take military level tactics to play these games, just simple common sense.TheSteeleStrap said:
Every shooter is about rushing out to take key tactical spots on the map. You have to win a few gun battles to get to those spots so you can't be afraid to get shot, you have to be aggressive. Then, once you get to those good spots you camp them, you still move around so you don't get naded but you guard the same relative area. Once you get to the other team's spawn, you can't really move any where else.
LOLTreuloseTomate said:
Scanning over these posts make me so glad I left my multiplayer days behind with Perfect Dark. The point of playing is to sit in the same spot and mow down everyone that runs up to you? Where's the fun in that?
It's probably because modern shooters all have the same boring weapons/settings, but I'd prefer running all over a map trying to dodge bullets that fly through walls or not get remote mines stuck to my back before I can get the gun that lets me deploy it as a sentry turret, as opposed to picking any number of identical assault rifles that kill other players in three hits and have no personality whatsoever.
So yeah, don't sweat it OP, here's one less guy that won't be ruining your multiplayer by trying to have fun.
It's probably because modern shooters all have the same boring weapons/settings, but I'd prefer running all over a map trying to dodge bullets that fly through walls or not get remote mines stuck to my back before I can get the gun that lets me deploy it as a sentry turret, as opposed to picking any number of identical assault rifles that kill other players in three hits and have no personality whatsoever.
So yeah, don't sweat it OP, here's one less guy that won't be ruining your multiplayer by trying to have fun.
There is this thing called fun, its the reason some people play games. I dont play to win I play to have fun and since winning or losing does not effect my enjoyment of a game at all I dont care about it. If I want to run around with a crossbow, combat axe, and riot shield because its hella fun then that is exactly what I am going to do. If you dont like it then dont play in public groups by yourself. Find yourself some like minded friends and go play with them so we dont have to deal with your kind.
well, you do not want to play world of tanks then :/ not only do players need to know the maps and their place on it but they also need to know about stuff their tanks and the ones they go up against.
But most of the times you will see small fast tanks hide near the friendly base and slow heavy tanks climbing up hills.
And tanks actually meant to be the snipers (Tank destroyer's) are forced to be the front line.
I am not an fanatical player and i think a game should be fun, but part of the fun is coming together as a team and winning.
Only in WOT most of the times you either crush the enemy or you lose an entire team within 5 minutes :/
(oh and apparantly it is tradition to always blame the arty for everything while they have a reload of half a minute)
It is also a place where the word "noob" has lost it's meaning, if you know the weak points of an enemy tank and use it to your advantage you are automaticlly a cheater or a "gold noob" meaning that you shoot shells that cost actuall money.
But most of the times you will see small fast tanks hide near the friendly base and slow heavy tanks climbing up hills.
And tanks actually meant to be the snipers (Tank destroyer's) are forced to be the front line.
I am not an fanatical player and i think a game should be fun, but part of the fun is coming together as a team and winning.
Only in WOT most of the times you either crush the enemy or you lose an entire team within 5 minutes :/
(oh and apparantly it is tradition to always blame the arty for everything while they have a reload of half a minute)
It is also a place where the word "noob" has lost it's meaning, if you know the weak points of an enemy tank and use it to your advantage you are automaticlly a cheater or a "gold noob" meaning that you shoot shells that cost actuall money.