Why does nobody fight Lord Voldemort?
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Right - I can't watch the Harry Potter movies with my wife (an avid fan) without getting frustrated at how insanely stupid people are. There are several times when I'm like, "WHY DID THEY NOT JUST KILL THE SUMBITCHES WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE?"Jacco said:
And also... why don't wizards use guns? or bombs? Even magical ones. What the hell people. Open up on some death eater ass with some mortars or fully automatic gun fire.
Arrogance, mainly. Silly Muggles with their 'technology' thinking they're real people, as if they'll ever achieve anything. Most wizards don't even know what a gun is, and those who do would never even imagine that it could be more effective than magic. Either that or because JK said so.Jake Martinez said:
I'm being serious with answering this question. Well before Harry was born people did try to fight him but because he had the death eaters on his side many of those people didn't survive long enough to get a shot at him and a large part of the wizarding community saw him leading this massive army and were too scared of the consequences.Scrumpys said:
But when it comes down to when he was resurrected and started to terrorize people again with his army albeit a much smaller one. The people still had those scars and it only added to their fear and you have to realize that for some people fear is so powerful that not everyone can over come it. Also it has a tendency to bring out the darkest part of ourselves which explained why some people cowered and bent to his will.
Take an assault rifle. He dies in .5 seconds flat. Or you could enchant it it fire shurikans and lightning. He can't exactly do much without a body.TheTaco007 said:
Um...people are ok with flying on broomsticks, invisibility, shape changing at will and the existence of loads of other forms of sentient life...but not that wizards don't have guns?
I think possibly the reason that wizards don't have guns is not due to the cultural set up of the UK (where the police never carry weapons and they don't have a military, apparently), but might have something to do with the story being set in a totally unbelievable magical world which isn't meant to be taken too seriously.
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As to people not fighting Voldemort, they do, it's just that he's very good. You'll also note that he liked people not knowing he was around so they wouldn't be after him, and in the end of the fifth book/movie, when informed that the Aurors are on their way, he responds that he'll be gone before they get here. He wasn't invincible, he just avoided fights he thought he'd lose.
EDIT: Oh, people obligingly dying instantly when hit by small arms fire is only slightly less realistic than the magic, TBH, no matter how many times you've seen it in action movies.
I think possibly the reason that wizards don't have guns is not due to the cultural set up of the UK (where the police never carry weapons and they don't have a military, apparently), but might have something to do with the story being set in a totally unbelievable magical world which isn't meant to be taken too seriously.
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As to people not fighting Voldemort, they do, it's just that he's very good. You'll also note that he liked people not knowing he was around so they wouldn't be after him, and in the end of the fifth book/movie, when informed that the Aurors are on their way, he responds that he'll be gone before they get here. He wasn't invincible, he just avoided fights he thought he'd lose.
EDIT: Oh, people obligingly dying instantly when hit by small arms fire is only slightly less realistic than the magic, TBH, no matter how many times you've seen it in action movies.
My understanding is that to deflect a spell (or any kind of attack I guess) the wizard must either cast some form of counter or have a protective barrier in place. Given that we regularly see Voldemort countering we can assume he has not put up a barrier. Also when there is a barrier in place over Hogwarts it was visible to the naked eye, further evidence he had no barrier. Average human reaction time is about 0.5 seconds but I'm gonna be very generous and give him a reaction time of 0.1s. A .50 cal bullet usually travels at around 3000m/s so anyone hiding within 300m could put a .50 through his head before he could react (assuming the sniper is bad enough at his job to not set up in such a position to conceal the shot). It took Voldemort the better part of 18 years to return to full power after being "killed" the first time. Surely the good guys would be stoked to have that kind of breathing room to find and destroy the Horcruxes and thereby prevent him from returning. So imagine if they had said to the British muggle government "Hey can we borrow the SAS for a few weeks?" The entire problem could have been solved.
But for the sake of plot lets say all wizards are immune to conventional weapons and so the above plan wouldn't work. The giants and big ass spiders and such don't wield magic, so how good would a few machine gun nests have been for defending that narrow bridge. You could just mow the beasties down!
But no, the secret of magic is more important than the safety and freedom of the entire world (including the magical one) apparently.
But for the sake of plot lets say all wizards are immune to conventional weapons and so the above plan wouldn't work. The giants and big ass spiders and such don't wield magic, so how good would a few machine gun nests have been for defending that narrow bridge. You could just mow the beasties down!
But no, the secret of magic is more important than the safety and freedom of the entire world (including the magical one) apparently.
Heres a fucking idea, bring an AK 47 to the fight. He is going to look pretty stupid waving his small wooden stick.
Seriously burst out laughing at this comment and was going to say something similar...You got it dude.Swny Nerdgasm said:
I mean, no one even attempts to fight him or his demands or his schemes or anything. I mean he can't kill EVERYONE if you all fight back, right? Oh wait he can beat anyone without even trying so don't bother fighting back, much more nobler to just die cowering. Rofl.
Oddly enough, I'd say Harry has more Plot Armor than Voldemort to be honest...or is it Script Immunity?
ok for the record Lord Voldemort was NOT invincible the horcruxes KEPT HIM ALIVE but only just, look at what happened when ONE killing curse hit him when he tried to kill harry, so one headshot would at least put him out for another 10 plus years and you can headshot from over a a mile its an easy kill after which you dump his body in a volcano execute all his followers and the job is done, giving you TEN YEARS to find all the horcruxes.
It's the same reason the Agents are feared in the Matrix. We only ever see Neo and Morpheus even attempt to fight an Agent - Morpheus went in expecting to lose, but was also doing it as a delaying action to let Neo escape.
When Neo and Trinity start blasting the shit out of everything in the office building the Agents turn out to be pretty soft and squishy ('Dodge this.' *booom!*). The only problem is you literally have to *S Jackson voice* kill every single ************ in the roooooom (or you're gonna get an Agent jumping into them).
When Neo and Trinity start blasting the shit out of everything in the office building the Agents turn out to be pretty soft and squishy ('Dodge this.' *booom!*). The only problem is you literally have to *S Jackson voice* kill every single ************ in the roooooom (or you're gonna get an Agent jumping into them).
In the end we're still talking about books for children. You'd destroy the romantic idea of magic that the series is based on. You could say that magic equals guns in the HP universe.
It's illegal to own a gun in any shape or form in the UK. So there's a moral quandary there.
Rowling made a (absolutely correct) artistic choice to not put guns into the series. The debate on whether or not it would've worked is pointles.
Let me put it this way, would you have liked the HP movies to be directed by Michael Bay? If your answer is yes than you like the idea of guns in HP. If no, congrats, you're sane.
As for a funnier thought on this: remember that the Accio spell can fetch any item and you can get very messy gunfights. So maybe the Deatheaters have a club of novice members running around scrounging up all the guns.
It's illegal to own a gun in any shape or form in the UK. So there's a moral quandary there.
Rowling made a (absolutely correct) artistic choice to not put guns into the series. The debate on whether or not it would've worked is pointles.
Let me put it this way, would you have liked the HP movies to be directed by Michael Bay? If your answer is yes than you like the idea of guns in HP. If no, congrats, you're sane.
As for a funnier thought on this: remember that the Accio spell can fetch any item and you can get very messy gunfights. So maybe the Deatheaters have a club of novice members running around scrounging up all the guns.
DUDE, MAN, LIKE TOTALLY! US MERICANS WOULD LIEK TOTALLY BE AWESOME IN A WAR GAINST A DARK AND SEMI IMMORTAL WIZARD! JUST LIEK WE GOT RID OF THA INJUNS AND THA COMMIES!Jacco said:
OT: because he's always in hiding, has made a bunch of horcruxes, and He's an epic fighter!
PS: I'm English...
What I don't get is why the prime minister of the UK knew about Voldemort but didn't get the SAS to snipe him or cut his throat. Last I checked, wizards weren't immune to bullets. Which highlights probably the biggest plot hole in Harry Potter:
Guns are about 8000 times more useful than the killing curse. The other 2 curses are useful as hell (for evil folk), but the killing curse is pretty lame. Oh yea, I can kill Dumbledore from 30ish feet away while screaming at the top of my lungs, or I could put a 50 caliber round through his skull from 1000 yards away. Dead is dead, doesn't matter if magic caused it. Yes I know it's a children's book. Shut up.
Edit: and even if he's immortal, just shoot him in the brain, take his wand while he's on the ground writhing in pain, and throw him in a maximum security prison. His little cohorts aren't immortal, so if they try to come get him, SHOOT THEM TOO.
Guns are about 8000 times more useful than the killing curse. The other 2 curses are useful as hell (for evil folk), but the killing curse is pretty lame. Oh yea, I can kill Dumbledore from 30ish feet away while screaming at the top of my lungs, or I could put a 50 caliber round through his skull from 1000 yards away. Dead is dead, doesn't matter if magic caused it. Yes I know it's a children's book. Shut up.
Edit: and even if he's immortal, just shoot him in the brain, take his wand while he's on the ground writhing in pain, and throw him in a maximum security prison. His little cohorts aren't immortal, so if they try to come get him, SHOOT THEM TOO.
Hmmm... I wonder why, in a magic world where things like prophesy is real... that some nasty individual who is eager to kill with two words, has a legion of equally motivated followers...
has the benefit of being impossible to kill, what with him surviving death once already..
...and has a prophesy stating that only a single individual can bring his downfall, that individual being a single boy...
...why they wouldn't go after him.
Man this question's really hard.
I should think about this for two seconds.
has the benefit of being impossible to kill, what with him surviving death once already..
...and has a prophesy stating that only a single individual can bring his downfall, that individual being a single boy...
...why they wouldn't go after him.
Man this question's really hard.
I should think about this for two seconds.
Uhm yeah how are you gonna find the guy first of all? He really don´t show him self for Mugger(spell?). And even if you found him getting in close to knife him would be like getting a black guy in to a white power rally.Jack the Potato said:
Maybe they could snipe him I don´t know if he really have any defence against that. Except that his surrounded by Death eaters and rarely shows him self for the snipers.
Edit: wow thats why I thought it was bad spelling moggles and muggers are completley different