Why does (seemingly) everyone hate this game and especially this guy?

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Argonian alchemist

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Because he is a depressive, whiny little brat... I hate him...

In almost every cut scene he falls to his knees and cries, it's irritating. At the start of the game his mother was killed because she volunteered to fight in a battle, the leader (Snow) who was well 'leading' the group couldn't save her in time.

So this little douche spends around half the game complaining that it was Snow's fault, even though he tried everything he could do to save her and it was her idea to volunteer in the first place...

Hope (the little douche) probably could of saved her himself in the battle, but instead of volunteering alongside his mother he sits on his knees crying (something he does hundreds of times in the game) whilst she goes into battle...

So all in all, he's an irritating character who if I was given the choice to throw into a pool of sharks I would do so with absolutely no hesitation, I actually ended skipping some scenes with him in it because he just starts whining...

GOD I HATE HOPE...

Rant over...
 

commodore96

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Remember rainbow road from mario kart? Well imagine driving down rainbow road, but it is completely straight, and slow, and its a never ending race, and there are two annoying kids in your ear constantly sucking, and the worst story ever makes you hate every character. I mean yeah its pretty but sooner or later all that prettyness fades and you want to just beat yourself over the head with a meat tenderizer.

TLDR
This game is equivalent through putting your head through a very linear, but pretty, woodchipper with two annoying kids crying in the background.
 

Phoenix_XIII

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I love this game and all the characters.

Yeah. I said it. People are going to hate me for saying it but I do. I love this game.

Hope was designed to be a whiny *****. It emphasizes his coming of age during the story.

Vanille was designed peppy and kind of annoying. She's hiding a lot of regret and emotions behind her facade.

And people can shut up about the combat system. it works and allows a lot of strategy. And it's better than fucking 12's.
 

Jodah

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Because he starts as a whiny little ***** who needs a good backhand. He then grows up a bit and becomes...a whiny little ***** who needs a good backhand. Aside from him I like the game.
 

Tsaba

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amaranth_dru said:
Number 2 reason: Hope and Vanille. Both very annoying characters, also in the case of Hope useless as hell.
for those who don't know
 

Lullabye

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Nazgual said:
I hate Vanille more than him.
Me too.
OT: Hope. Hope is.....well lemme put it like this. He's a whiny little ***** who is unsure in everything he does(very rarely does he show resolve). That all being said, he was just a normal kid up until he watched his mother die(fall to her death) before his eyes and had to travel with the man he thought responsible for it. I really don't blame his character for being that way. What you you be like if suddenly all the stuff that happens in a FF game was forced upon you? Probably rather similar. So I didn't hate hope. No, it was Vanille that ruined it for me.
 

Ziggy the wolf

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thats actually pretty simple. he just isnt an attractive character. hope is just a character that doesn't make you care. he is a big ball of nothing and when they put his mother's death as his motivation, it leaves most people wishing that hope died and not the mother. i mean i liked her i wouldnt mind if they stuck with the name hope and made her son the throw away character
 

Jfswift

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I don't hate this game or Hope. I think the game has an original story and unique combat system. To be fair too, I feel that Hope is kind of whiny at times but he's not an adult and is suffering from trauma so I can't expect much from him. His behavior seems the most realistic to out of all the characters.
 

Isalan

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The main issue with FF13 is the stupidly heavy handed linearity and lack of actual strategy to the fights, though I did quite enjoy the battle system still, despite this.

The main problem with Hope is he's poorly written. I can understand why he's whiny and upset a lot, but unlike a real person he neither gets over it or has any kind of proper breakdown. He just gets whinier and whinier until like 30 hours into the game when he finally cheers up a touch. And even then, it ain't much.

So yeah. Personally, I would have had Hope have a good old fashioned psychotic break 2 hours into the game, then had him recover a bit later.

EDIT: Also the ridiculously complicated and grindy upgrade system for weapons and armour can fuck off :/
 

Xathos

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Well, people hate the game because its not what they were expecting from it. A lot of people didn't exactly like the changes; mainly the battle system and the world being pretty linear.

As for Hope, I have no idea. I thought that out of all the characters, he was the best one. Had excellent character development, was good in the medic/ravenger roles, the only negative point would be that even in some CGI scenes, he looks like a girl. Seriously, I think people only hate Hope because he whines a lot. But that made logical sense to me. He is the youngest member of the party at only 14 or so. Plus, he isn't exactly the most expressive teen to begin with. I think people just forget that he's a kid. Not some older teen going into an adult, a kid. Again, I feel like he just had the best character development. NEVER understood the hate.

Course, maybe people just project the hate for the game onto the most easily hated character they could see first, which was Hope. Sad, because he does get better later on.

Still, good game and very good character in my opinion.
 

Laser Priest

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Well, it was a terrible game with terrible writing, which also explains the hatred for him.
 

Dogstile

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I don't know who the hell he is, but that face looks like it needs a good, hard punch.

Its just one of those faces, square would fare better if they stopped using that template for every single damn character they make.
 

Gigatoast

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Because Square Enix makes likable characters like my washing machine makes ice sculptures.
 

Fusioncode9

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Jay Parrish said:
Because he is a depressive, whiny little brat... I hate him...

In almost every cut scene he falls to his knees and cries, it's irritating. At the start of the game his mother was killed because she volunteered to fight in a battle, the leader (Snow) who was well 'leading' the group couldn't save her in time.

So this little douche spends around half the game complaining that it was Snow's fault, even though he tried everything he could do to save her and it was her idea to volunteer in the first place...

Hope (the little douche) probably could of saved her himself in the battle, but instead of volunteering alongside his mother he sits on his knees crying (something he does hundreds of times in the game) whilst she goes into battle...

So all in all, he's an irritating character who if I was given the choice to throw into a pool of sharks I would do so with absolutely no hesitation, I actually ended skipping some scenes with him in it because he just starts whining...

GOD I HATE HOPE...

Rant over...
Isn't he 14 years old? When you were 14 were you ready to pick up an assualt rifle and head into a warzone. Sure he whines a lot but he's still a kid. To be honest I think the mother was kind of an idiot, her priority should have been taking care of her son, not heading into battle.
 

CoverYourHead

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I liked him quite a bit when I thought he was going to kill Snow. But then he didn't. I will never forgive him.

Really, I have no big issue with him. The kid is like, what, 14? He just saw his mother killed in a war and was just told he has to destroy the world or else he'll become a monster trapped in his own mutilated body for who-knows-how-long. I'd be pretty damn whiny and scared too. Hell, at least he has the balls to man up and try to follow Lightning, a soldier, and try to learn how to fight so he can get revenge. That's a hell of a lot braver than I'd expect most people to be outside of a game setting.

Really, I think a lot of people, at 14 years old, would have just sat and cried and whined if they saw their mother die. At least he gets off his ass to at least try to fight. He mans up a lot more than I think most people would. People seem to forget things like realistic reactions when viewing some characters.

Still, his lack of HP sucks.
 

Revolutionary

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You Killed my Mommy wah wah...I hate him because he is a whiny tool. I hate the game because it isn't one. Just an over-bloated cutscene with a turn based minigame in between (Yeah I only like JRPG's if they have good combat).


P.S I've played FF-XIII to 100% achievement completion so I think I'm entitled to say I tried it. Also I swear the translator must have died laughing when he found out the characters name was "Hope".