Why don't books have an official rating system?

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VonKlaw

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As alot of people have said, a 9 year old (probably) can't read "adult rated" books in the same way that you could sit the same child down to watch a Hostel film or a porno. Both because of the language used being a limiting factor, but also because reading is far more proactive than films (and arguably games) - a child will usually see lots of long words and small print, and not bother to read it.


Although I'm fairly sure some countries do have the equivilant of age ratings for books - doesn't American Psycho have to be shrink wrapped with a warning label that it can't be sold to minors in (I belive) Germany?

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i've notice on several occasions (especially andy mcnab) content warnings, e.g. mature themes or mature language or even just "mature content" but no legal age rating, so they are rated.. just not restricted, but i think that it's the publishers job to issue these warnings.
 

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ElPatron said:
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Also, a lot of books are published- probably way more than games or films. It would be ridiculous to try to regulate them.
Really? Hollywood releases a handful of films every year, but everyone else produces a lot more.

I sometimes walk past Indian stores and they have a metric ton of DVDs. Bollywood and other cities in India always have churn out loads of movies and they are rated.
You can watch a movie in a couple of hours, writing down every piece of mature content, submit the rating, and move on.
A book takes time. It can take days or even weeks to read a book.
Imagine rating Atlas Shrugged or A Game of Thrones.
It's just way too time-consuming, unless you had thousands on your staff, and even then it would be too time-consuming.
 

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What do you mean? A 13 year old cannot go into a store and buy a playboy magazine . And the store clerk would probably prevent them from buying and erotic book . Also most teenagers don't care for reading( i said most!) , so they pretty much regulate themselves . And children are turned off to big books and they couldn't read yet alone understand them . With comic book , well they are viewed as a childs hobby , so no one really cares , unless again ot was erotic then the clerk would probably stop them .
 

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I think the practical reason has been touched on enough already but there's another aspect I think is important.
I think that literature is considered to be the ultimate symbol of free speech and a free society. The idea that anyone can read and write whatever they want is quite beautiful.
Any attempt to control who reads what would be seen as compromising this right. Every dictatorship and cult regulates literature.

Saying that, I think they should bring in age regulations, because I like the idea of intellectual teens feeling rebellious when reading Blood Meridian or The Naked Lunch.
 

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I never actually thought about that. Paintings don't get a rating either, so I guess they get grouped into the same thing.
That really is a good point, paintings are free from this also. Is it because of the reputation of art or is it becuase it predates rating systems?
 

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Because young people are expected to watch television, listen to music, play videogames, go to the movies and use the internet, and they are not expected to see paintings and sculptures or read books. Hence why we have ratings for movies, TV shows and videogames, "clean" versions of songs for the radio/TV, and parental filters for the internet. This is also why we had the Hayes Code and why comic books are so tightly regulated in what they can or cannot show (and why they push that to the limit).

It's not about books being inherently better or different from anything else. It's simply that reading mature books is not something most young people do, and those rare few who do such things usually have the maturity to be unaffected by what they read.

As most things, it's a matter of popularity.
 

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Because many of the people who vehemently advocate ratings systems based on the fact that movies and games corrupt young minds are equally convinced that all books are a force of good.
Yeah, never really got the logic behind that. Sure, reading books is probably better than sitting in a featureless cardboard box, but opposed to doing things people are likely to be doing, not necessarily.
 

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Possibly because at this point reading is so uncommon among youth that seeing them read anything is considered a good thing.

Otherwise, your question might end up with the response "What's a book?"
This is actually extremely incorrect. Book culture is more prominent than ever and it starts out with the kids. There are countless schools (both primary and secondary) that run mass reading programs that many students can't get enough of. The written word is actually becoming more and more popular, ironically even more so with the rise of film adaptations. The youth that you're referring to is the lazy and unproductive youth of the West that the media loves to focus on. But many other students, especially in many other countries, especially in Asia and the Middle East, kids are constantly encouraged and exposed to books.
 

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Well children don't like books unless they have pictures, so a 900 page erotic novel isn't going to interest them. Also children wouldn't have the literacy skills to read books with mature content.
It's actually really funny that you say that.

Back when I was in elementary school our school had one of these schemes going to promote literacy, where every week the teachers would take their class to the library, and they would pick out books to read. Then the next week you would come back to the library and use the computer take a little quiz on the book you read. If you did good on the quiz and proved you read the book you got points, and at the end of the school year the points could be redeemed for shitty prizes.

Well there were two ways that people could get points. Long books were worth a lot of points, but you could typically only read one of those in the time other people could read 3 or 4 short books, so most people would read short books to to maximize their points, because long books were too hard for them. Anyway, the longest book that the library had was called "The Mists of Avalon," which was something like 900 pages long and I checked that one out.

I'm pretty sure that none of the teachers at my school had actually read "The Mists of Avalon" before putting it in the library, because there's tons of sex in it. TONS. I mean, it's no Fifty Shades of Gray, but one of the central themes of the book is women using their sexuality as a way to gain power. Not exactly the most appropriate book for an 11 year old kid, though I rather enjoyed it.
 

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Books used to be, and in many places still are, liable to censorship. Mein Kampf is rated so harmful that it's illegal to sell/own the book. Just read up on the (expected) shitstorm that was to ensue when the book's copyright (owned by the state of Bavaria) was to expire. In the Netherlands you can own an original copy, but you can't sell/publish the damn thing. Which I think is a shame, because nothing is more detrimental to Nazism than the tome of insane troll logic that underpins it. Alas, I digress.

My theory would be that the horrors of censorship, even self-imposed censorship, are unconsciously connected to books, that nobody would dare to suggest to censor/rate the bloody things.

Although it happens, just more subtly. The Texas State Board of Education, to name one example, rates and "improves" history textbooks. One gem: forcing a change in one textbook from "Soviet expansion in aastern Europe" to "Soviet aggression in eastern Europe.
 

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It's worth noting that film/game ratings systems (at least in the US, maybe not the case in countries like Germany and Australia) aren't "official." They were agreed upon by the major players of their respective industries. This kind of consensus was only possible because up until fairly recently (read: the internet), most movie/game production and distro was heavily centralized. They tend to be made by large teams and tend to be financed by industry backers during their production. Nothing's stopping anyone from making and releasing a movie/game on their own without an MPAA/ESRB rating. But getting distributed offline is very difficult, though this is beginning to matter less and less.

Books, specifically first drafts of novel-length fiction, on the other hand, frequently begin as the projects of one person. They write the whole book and shop it around to publishers (often through an agent), and then the process begins with editing, promotion, what have you. All in all, the publishing industry is much more decentralized and tends to be much better for content creators than the film/game industries because authors have much more control over their work. But anyway, getting off topic...

A big part of why movies/games have rating systems while books don't is the newness of those mediums. Moral panics about movies/games centered around how those mediums as a whole were *~*~corrupting the youth*~*~. No one could make this argument against books as a whole (lol), so book censorship by the government has always been on a per-title basis (Ulysses and Tropic of Cancer, eg.) However, there was a very real threat that the government would censor or ban movies/games as a whole, so the industries took steps to prevent this.

With movies, SCOTUS ruled in 1915 that movies were not protected speech under the First Amendment. As they got bawdier following the end of WWI, Middle America started losing its shit at how they reflected urban coastal sensibilities (surprisingly modern, especially wrt sexuality) and the industry implemented the Hays Code, self-censoring to prevent nigh-inevitable draconian laws. In the 50s, SCOTUS reversed its ruling and declared movies protected speech. The MPAA ratings in the 60s were a compromise to allow New Hollywood to do its thing without another public backlash.

Game ratings followed kind of a similar trajectory. Games had not yet been ruled protected speech, and in the 90s, a few senators basically said, "Yo, make a rating system like movies have or we will fuck your shit up." So again, it came about because popular perception was that the medium as a whole was potentially dangerous. But, again, games are now protected.

Part of me wonder how long it can last, though. Both the ESRB and MPAA have become rather reactionary, especially wrt sexuality. They were rather ahead of American culture when they came out. But nowadays they are decidedly behind it, reflecting the sensibilities of old straight white men. I dunno. The ratings are still essential for getting into "mass-market" movie theaters, passing console cert, and getting into stores, (and Valve/Apple don't require them but self-censor their platforms just as harshly), but it's hard to see how the current standards could be maintained without some sort of backlash in the future, especially as independent distro becomes more viable. It's interesting to think about!
 

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I guess if a child read a book of pornography, they literally wouldn't understand whats going on and it's not possible for them to understand until they've already been exposed to that kind of thing. I remember not getting a joke in a Terry Pratchett book about erotic novels for years.

Pretty much all emotional impact in books is reliant on you having some knowledge of similar experiences. And since bookshops tend to stack them by age appropriateness, all the informal checks are sufficient
 

Zoe Castillo

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Because they are old ??
And because the people who actually advocate for a videogame ratings system are also old and scared of anything that isn?t from their time period.


But yeah this is a good point, I never really thought about it . The fact that I could go into a library and get a copy of the wasp factory when I was 10 is freaking insane . but then again the fact that I could do it was the reason I didn?t really want to .

Also thinking about it if we were to implement a ESRB or MPAA type system for books half of the classics I was forced to read in school would have to be replaced . heck the freaking bible would probably get a PG13 grating at the least .....