Why don't we have gundam yet?
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Psh, we should be working on zoids, not gundams! I want my freaking blade liger and tail liger (and organoids, just think of the savings on repairing old zoids simply by owning an organoid!)!!! OT A gundam would be impractical, ridiculously expensive to build, prone to errors which would be difficult to fix due to cost, and not to mention the fact that we certainly don't want some crazy country like our good ol' US of A to be throwing our obese weight around even more with a ginormous, dangerous gundam stomping on the terrorists with our giant mecha.
because the current technology doesn't support them.
how about scaling it back to a Labor or Scopedog?
There is also the usefulness of a mech on the battlefield and the need to maintain it (one of the things a piece of military hardware has to have is ease of maintenance and repair)
personally I would rather see a Zaku those things kick more ass.
how about scaling it back to a Labor or Scopedog?
There is also the usefulness of a mech on the battlefield and the need to maintain it (one of the things a piece of military hardware has to have is ease of maintenance and repair)
personally I would rather see a Zaku those things kick more ass.
do we consider ACs and Gundam on the same page?
Nah not really, big giant robots are pretty much against modern design which is 'smaller is better' technology plus the amount of fuel that colossus would guzzle would get green peace armed with rockets...
Nah not really, big giant robots are pretty much against modern design which is 'smaller is better' technology plus the amount of fuel that colossus would guzzle would get green peace armed with rockets...
You answered your own question; we don't have them because they're impractical. Same reason we don't have jetpacks, flying cars or laser weapons.
Because they're unfeasible from both an engineering and military standpoint, to the point that precious few in the real world would even bother.
Amusingly, Yoshiyuki Tomino was very much aware of this and did a rather spectacular job of justifying their existence in the Gundam franchise by imagining a "Minovsky Particle", which effectively jammed long range targeting (making it a very useful particle indeed) and could only be produced with Helium-3, thus requiring humans to go to space to acquire more of the substance. With targeting neutered, microgravity being a given in many cases, and tricky maneuvering a necessity, gundams actually became a fairly logical evolution of military technology. Lacking that, however, there's little reason to pursue such a technological path.
Amusingly, Yoshiyuki Tomino was very much aware of this and did a rather spectacular job of justifying their existence in the Gundam franchise by imagining a "Minovsky Particle", which effectively jammed long range targeting (making it a very useful particle indeed) and could only be produced with Helium-3, thus requiring humans to go to space to acquire more of the substance. With targeting neutered, microgravity being a given in many cases, and tricky maneuvering a necessity, gundams actually became a fairly logical evolution of military technology. Lacking that, however, there's little reason to pursue such a technological path.
Have you actually seen working jetpacks that are remotely close to what we see in movies and comics?DrRockor said:
If not, we have exoskeletons that are about as close to Gundams as any rocket pack I've ever seen in real life comes to the cool ones in fiction
One. Price. Seriously.
Two. High center of gravity. You can't use high recoiling weapons or else the robot would become unstable and tumble.
Third. Walking on two legs is dandy for an animal. For a mechnical device? Wheels are
Fourth. EASY TARGET. You could hit it with an RPG7 from 800m away. That doesn't sound bad, but against a tank a RPG7 has about 0% chances of hitting a tank at 800m. Yeah, it's that easy to hit.
Fifth. Armor. Lots of it. That puts on a huge weight.
TL;DR: Too heavy, too large, too weak (couldn't fire massive cannons due to recoil), too expensive, too impractical and it ain't any better than a modern main battle tank.
Two. High center of gravity. You can't use high recoiling weapons or else the robot would become unstable and tumble.
Third. Walking on two legs is dandy for an animal. For a mechnical device? Wheels are
Fourth. EASY TARGET. You could hit it with an RPG7 from 800m away. That doesn't sound bad, but against a tank a RPG7 has about 0% chances of hitting a tank at 800m. Yeah, it's that easy to hit.
Fifth. Armor. Lots of it. That puts on a huge weight.
TL;DR: Too heavy, too large, too weak (couldn't fire massive cannons due to recoil), too expensive, too impractical and it ain't any better than a modern main battle tank.
Because making a working gundam would be INSANELY difficult, and unless it can fly (which would require INSANE amounts of power), it would be completely useless in combat (meaning that the defense contract construction guys have no reason to throw money at it).
Now, if we had SPACE combat...then it might be useful. But down on earth? No way. It would really not work well at all.
Now, if we had SPACE combat...then it might be useful. But down on earth? No way. It would really not work well at all.
I'd rather have power armor, like Samus's suit, or the MK7 or Tactical Dreadnaught Armor from 40k
these seem much more feasible, and some what more bad ass
these seem much more feasible, and some what more bad ass
Lets think about modern weapons. Using UAV's or other extreme long range artillery/aircraft its VERY easy to put a LOT of explosives into a small area. Now are the military likely to put a lot of MONEY into a small area with this in mind? No. Its always why "swarm" tactics you see in fantasy (im looking at you 40k) would fail so miserably it would make anyone from our time laugh. You can pack one HELL of a punch into a dense area VERY easily without any risk to you whatsoever. In terms of brutal cost its Not worth sending a a UAV against 100 infantry compared to one gundam because if properly spaced the UAV can take out about 2/3 guys? It probably costs more for that missile than it did to equip/train those men. Not to mention you got a LOT of men. Also you could probably equip 1000000 troops for the price of that suit.
Anyone in that Gundam will become a target for a smart missile from a super sonic jet. It basically screams "shoot me with long range air to ground ordinance!" and that soldier will get blown to pieces doing no use and wasting resources, money and his life. RPG's, the simplest of tank destroyers, can penetrate any modern armor (exceptions are around but VERY expensive) and will likely tear into a gundam with no issues. Any wanna be insurgent can get a hold of these if they wish too. So that counters that. Train 100 special ops operatives instead. Far less susseptable to being destroyed in an easy explosion.
Anyone in that Gundam will become a target for a smart missile from a super sonic jet. It basically screams "shoot me with long range air to ground ordinance!" and that soldier will get blown to pieces doing no use and wasting resources, money and his life. RPG's, the simplest of tank destroyers, can penetrate any modern armor (exceptions are around but VERY expensive) and will likely tear into a gundam with no issues. Any wanna be insurgent can get a hold of these if they wish too. So that counters that. Train 100 special ops operatives instead. Far less susseptable to being destroyed in an easy explosion.
Quazimofo said:
You gotta remember that if the military spends 100'000 dollars on one suit that soldier best do 100'000 dollars worth of soldiering before hes blown to bits for being a large and slow target. Power armor works best if small and light, boosting a soldiers strength and endurance for low cost. ower armor for the military is already being made. Thing is its not "really" armor. It provides no protection other than regular kevlar. Its only being used for the strength purposes. It really isnt worth making heavy stuff. Terminator armor would be picked out by air to surface missiles that can smart target individuals from 2 kilometers away and anhiliate them. Fast light infantry win modern wars. Be too fast and too spaced out to be worth putting a missile into. Or hitting with artillery.Lunar Templar said:
