Why gamers should embrace on-disc DLC

[Playful Pony]

I couldn't finish reading.. I'm sorry, I can usually wade trough some pretty bad magnitude of crap, but this was too much! I'll post anyway damnit! As far as I got in reading that, this can't possibly be serious. I refuse to believe someone to be this backwards, even here on our beloved internet. I'm going to go ahead and stamp this as a troll post. I tend to want to take people seriously most of the time (which is why I'm very easy to trick and lie to, much to my friends amusement >.<), but this is too much...

Also, I'm not a fighting-game fan... But seriously, did ANYONE expect this to sell on PC? Really?!

 

[mirage202]

I would have agreed with the guy if his point about more money = better games was actually true.

In reality the vast majority of publishers out there do not give us more for more, we get less for more. Games are progressively releasing buggier, shorter, with more reusable multiplayer focused content.

If on-disk locked content actually felt like something new, wouldn't be an issue yet it isn't, it is more often than not, cut, or just locked out content denied to us to force paying more money.

Personally I'd be fine with this practice if they had the decency to charge us $30 for 50% of a game or $45 for 75% of one but they don't, they want their full $60 for the half game and everything else on top. Instead, it's actually getting worse. Some publishers are trying to slip in increases in prices. Noticing more and more PC releases creeping over the £30 price point, some 32, a lot 35, even a few trying to push £39.99. We don't get better games for that, we get the same old same old, with ever increasing amounts of DLC to buy to get the full flavour.

Numbers might seem low/cheap to you funny foreigners so I'll add a little context: when in Philadelphia, I can order two large pizzas for $14.50. To do the same here in London, $45-50 depending on exchange rate fluctuations.

 

[OldDirtyCrusty]

Come on guys, this is obviously either a flame bait article or satire, more likely the latter. Look at his About the Author description. Look at his blatant X-Box fanboyism.

" It?s no real secret that the best services in gaming are the ones that cost the most*."

" *Unless it?s a PC or Sony product."

I mean, his username is "The Lemming".

I can't be the only one who sees this, right?

Read some of the other posts and be reliefed, you`re not alone.
I would guess it`s meant to be satire and i`m a bit shocked how many don`t seem to get it.

 

[Bigsmith]

Sorry, seams like a load of shit.

Plus I stopped reading at "...don't say TF2..."

 

[Sylveria]

On-Disc DLC is not DLC. It is content you paid for being restricted, like a new home with a locked room. Any argument to support this practice is little more than acting as an apologist or white-knight for the same publishers who are trying to screw you.

If games are too expensive, companies need to manage their priorities and assets better to reach an optimal cost-profit point, not make you pay more for less, then pay again for the rest.

Additionally, if anyone thinks for a second that higher profits = more money for developers to use on games, they need some sense smacked in to them. How many studios have we seen screwed over because their game was successful, but not quite successful enough to please their publisher overlord and then get shut down.

 

[bafrali]

I wouldn't care to listen to opinions of a man when he says TF2 is better on Xbox.

Edit: Now I get that this guy is either trolling or trying to relay sarcasm without success. I don't know which one is sadder

 

[Longstreet]

The bullshit is high in this one.

Do you have ANY basic concept of marketing / selling your products?
[sub][sub] by the looks of this post, no [/sub][/sub]

 

[Flames66]

Yeah he's full of it.

As a consumer I make the choice whether something is worth my money and by my purely subjective point of view I see on disk locked content and day 1 DLC as business practices that I will not support. If a game pulls either of those I wont buy it and I will actively encourage other consumers not to buy it by sharing my point of view

A company standing there and saying I should buy these games even though they have business practices that I dont support is acting as if they are entitled to my money. They arent. They have to earn my money by putting out a good product with business practices that I agree with or feel indifferent about.

There is also the fallacy that more money = better games. To draw a comparison Mass effect 1 was quite possibly one of the best RPGs Ive played from Bioware but even though it had a smaller budget then ME3 it was still the better game. Tighter story, better controls, bigger feeling world, etc. What determines if a game is good or not is the talented designers behind it, not money

If you remove the word "consumer" from this you pretty much have my opinion as well. You (game makers) are not entitled to any money, you must make a product that I want to spend money on and sell it in a way and at a price I am willing to accept.

 

[Westaway]

One of the stupidest articles I've ever had the misfortune to read.

Why is gaming journalism SO shit?

 

[gigastar]

I feel like a just read an article from Fox News or the Daily Mail.

Now im going to not continue typing to prevent fire and bile spilling onto my keyboard.

 

[mew4ever23]

(don't say Team Fortress 2. That game was better on Xbox, anyway)

All credibility lost. How's the big pile of unfixed bugs and exploits, you poor hatless simpleton? TF2's been running better on PC for years now.

I'm sorry, but this guy is just full of it. On disc dlc is just another way a publisher is trying to target our pocket. Way I see it, if you buy a game, you get everything on the disc, no additional money required. Achievements to unlock things (like Super Smash Brothers or TF2 on the PC), that's fine. But don't ask for more money to access content that I already have.

 

[cheesefreak]

not sure if this article was satire to begin with.

why are we seriously debating this that ends with
"pay for it with a smile. A smile and cold, hard cash." ?

 

[Lt._nefarious]

I think on disc DLC is acceptable IF it's free, non essential (like an extra multiplayer character or something) and is obtained by signing the company's fansite, testing the game's beta or something along those lines and becomes readily available after an update later down the line.

 

[Brotha Desmond]

All dlc is not worth money. I point you to Mass effect 3 Leviathan dlc.

 

[Tom Artingstall]

Just in case anybody just read the first post and skipped to the end of the thread to post their rage: This is either a masterful piece of trolling or a man's desperate attempt to land a job in EA's PR department. I admit I had my doubts about wheteher or not this was a serious article until I saw the line about TF2 being better on the xbox. Then I could just smile and enjoy the satire.

 

[DrunkenMonkey]

So the author is basically showing the middle finger to all the gamers who are embracing their vote with their wallets policy, which is just about the only legit way to show their dissatisfaction with a game. Also no research on Battlefront III there was a whole article showing how that game was cancelled from infighting do to contracts with Lucasarts and the producer. It literally had nothing to do with the average gamer, if anything it was cancelled because Lucasarts didn't want to sink the money needed to make it, because they believed it wouldn't sell. Also shit like Street fighter vs Tekken should not be defended. there is absolutely no reason or rhyme as to why half the freaking roster is closed off to people who already payed a whopping 60 dollars. Even worse its on disk dlc, RE6 was justified at least, that shit wasn't.

edit: fixed, that was one dumb article high on stupid.

 

[Thoric485]

Thanks to greedy gamers, we will never get to play this.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's satire.

 

[Odbarc]

What's stupid/sucks about day-1 DLC is not being able to just BUY the disc with the content pre-unlocked.
The reason NOT to is so that if/when you sell your disc, the developer gets another $5~20 off your purchase.
The reason most people hate it is because it adds a hidden fee of $5~20 which is "optional" in the way that everyone has it and you get left out if you don't.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Bullshit.

I should probably be more specific...

As a consumer, it is not my job to make sure that your company receives money. If I feel what you are releasing is worth the money, I will purchase it. If I do not think it is worth the money, I do not purchase it. It's not my job to make sure your company stays afloat, it's yours (as in the game developer/publisher, not you the person reading this. Unless you are a CEO of a publisher, in which case I am talking to you).

On DLC:
Extra Credits makes a compelling argument for Day-1 DLC [http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/mass-effect-3-dlc]. If you don't want to watch, I'll give a quick run-down: The certification process to make games good to go to retail takes a few months. In these few months, a team has minimal to do. Put said team to work on DLC, which is ready by launch or near it. Bam! Day 1 DLC. Not everyone is OK with this practice but I am. If I feel the new DLC is worth the money, I will happily hand you my cash.

On-disc DLC is bullshit on the other hand. If the DLC is on the disc, that means that it was created with the bulk of the game (since this DLC would have to go through certification process in order to be included on the disc; you couldn't create it later like day 1 DLC and put it on afterwards). That means that this DLC was created with the game and then cut out to make DLC. Most gamers see this as a very despicable practice and will not financially support a game (you know, by buying it) when companies do this. Gamers have figured out this trick and it's your own damn fault if your game crashes because you think gamers haven't figured it out.

Mind if I steal this? Because you said pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

 

[destroyer2k]

This says it all.

(don?t say Team Fortress 2. That game was better on Xbox, anyway).

This guy sound like he is on Bobby Kotick pay role.