Similar to the fact that they had like a thousand faces to make, I think it might be because the face editor allowed such a wide variance in the faces you could create. If they had used a much more restrictive system, say one that gave you 5 face choices for each race, then they could have hand crafted each one to look nice, using more complex tools than the in game face editor. In this case I think visual appeal may have been the price for uniqueness.
Why is Bethesda so bad at making faces?
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Yeh oblivion and fallout faces are horrible, but skyrim one looks good! i say they learned on mistakes.
I think it's that they're trying too hard with the faces. Facial expressions should not be a stark contrast between just "orangeban said:
, D:<, :I" like pretty much all of them were in Oblivion and the Fallouts. Facial expressions are a soft, subtle thing. I can't ever remember when someone making a smartass remark in the game smirked, only "SUPER HAPPY FUN TIME " smile which did not fit with their tone. Bethesda goes oerboard and makes the faces some form of grotesque blob rather than a face with a mouth, two eyes, and a nose.
Neither were faces,Woodsey said:
but TES IV was the first time they had full voice acting for all dialogue and there were a few areas that were a bit rough around the edges with its implementation. Chiefly people were unhappy with the variety of voice acting, something that was improved upon in FO3. I also can't recall any odd voice changes in FO3 similar to the beggers in TES IV.TES III had some complaints about faces, generally repetition and texture detail, but it didn't come close to the complaints about Oblivion. But here again FO3 refined the process considerably.
I gotta be honest here, I think the Skyrim screenshots are just a bit over the top. Everyone is screaming with rage or brooding, and everything is dark and brown and gritty. This isn't Vvardenfell dammit, it's Skyrim!
Faces look great however, especially the beastfolk and orcs. Wood elf looks kinda weird though. maybe it's just the hair/beard combo that makes him look like a biker.
Faces look great however, especially the beastfolk and orcs. Wood elf looks kinda weird though. maybe it's just the hair/beard combo that makes him look like a biker.
Another thing that may have influenced this is the persuasion mini-game. The setup of this mechanic requires easily recognizable facial reactions, sometimes in poor or shadowy lighting.Smeggs said:I think it's that they're trying too hard with the faces. Facial expressions should not be a stark contrast between just "
So glad other people agree with this. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like Oblivion!
The open world is gorgeous and amazing but the NPCs are a blight on the landscape. Horrible to
look at, horrible to talk to ... for me it makes the game unplayable.
Skyrim looks improved but I've got to be more convinced before I buy!
The open world is gorgeous and amazing but the NPCs are a blight on the landscape. Horrible to
look at, horrible to talk to ... for me it makes the game unplayable.
Skyrim looks improved but I've got to be more convinced before I buy!
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I agree. Oblivion was the first 360 game I played, and while I loved it, the graphics never impressed me. It's almost impossible to make a decent looking face.
I say "almost" because while fidling around with the sliders, I was somehow able to make a pretty damn good-looking female face, at least in Oblivion standard.
I say "almost" because while fidling around with the sliders, I was somehow able to make a pretty damn good-looking female face, at least in Oblivion standard.
Screenshots of Skyrim do look alot better and Fallout 3 already was a step in the right direction when it comes to faces and characters in general.Jennacide said:
Maybe Skyrim won't be all that bad. Some design choices from Morrowind wouldn't hurt either. Time will tell.
Here's a thought exercise...
Open up any game in which you have a significant amount of control over your facial features when generating a character. Try to make a decent-looking male character, and a decent-looking female character. Then try to make another decent-looking male character who doesn't bear too much of a resemblance of the first one you made. Now do likewise with a female character.
Then imagine having to do that a thousand times. Yeah, I would imagine that would drive the game developers insane.
Open up any game in which you have a significant amount of control over your facial features when generating a character. Try to make a decent-looking male character, and a decent-looking female character. Then try to make another decent-looking male character who doesn't bear too much of a resemblance of the first one you made. Now do likewise with a female character.
Then imagine having to do that a thousand times. Yeah, I would imagine that would drive the game developers insane.
Here's hoping. One of my biggest pet peeves in Oblivion was the complete watering down of enchanting. I loved that in Morrowind I could do all sorts of goofy shit with enchants, like had a pair of rings that could grant me limitless flight. (One was just to hover, as the flight ring needed to be recharged periodically)veloper said:
Somehow my character's face in Fallout New Vegas wound up looking really good, though it was entirely an accident, because their face-editing scheme is awful awful awful, and your character will end up looking nothing like how you think.
As for that Skyrim vs. Oblivion image....I'm still skeptical. Can't help but notice that none of the Skyrim ones are closeups.
As for that Skyrim vs. Oblivion image....I'm still skeptical. Can't help but notice that none of the Skyrim ones are closeups.