Why is bullying still an issue?

[smearyllama]

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Dude, really.
Killing =/= problem solving. While I can agree with fighting back when you're backed into a corner, there are better ways to deal with issues like this. When you kill someone for petty revenge, you're no better than them.

OT: Kids are dicks, yes. I've seen it firsthand. I'm one of them.
What a lot of adults don't realize is that it's really hard to just "tell an adult", as they say so often. Often, it's embarrassing, or it's hard to talk about it. For adults, it's also hard to tell if someone is just joking around, or seriously bullying someone. I honestly haven't seen physical bullying, but I know the verbal kind from personal experience.

 

[lacktheknack]

If that kid kills himself/loses it over some bullying, I imagine he had a lot more problems than just bullying. Or was just extremely weak minded to begin with.

And thus we should nab him in the weak point rather than target and work with what he's good at.

 

[EeveeElectro]

Probably because some people are just cunts and they won't change. I wish it could be stopped, but it's hard to keep on eye on loads of kids at once. Schools need to put their foot down though, I've only known them to make things worse.

 

[freaper]

People need to stop being a bunch of pansies and fight back. I mean what drives someone into suicide or a school shooting spree. Opposed to just closing your fist and smashing the shitface bully in the face. Or if you are too weak, maybe hire someone even. I don't care, but all i know is i do not respect the idiot who committed a shooting or suicide at all, especially over something as silly as bullying.

Fight back and then get the shit kicked out of you?? Pay someone to fight? Jesus your school must have been shit.

Most of the people who like to fight never fight fair meaning you are likely to be fighting 2 or more people at 1 time.

If its physical bullying? Kick them in the fucking nuts!

If its not physical? Tell them to FUCK OFF! and get on with you're life.

Again, it's not that simple but clearly you are so I won't bother explaining.

What? The fact is, if you are ready to kill yourself. You have nnothing to lose, so why not make the kid suffer who was making you suffer. Beat his skull in with a wrench, maybe even just kill him if you are so inclined to do so. But maybe try to get away with it just for the thrill. Become the joker later in life.

I'm not sure whether you're trolling, or just plain ignorant.

I believe the OP was talking about children, i.e.: 10-16 year olds. You can't expect from a kid the same cold logical reasoning an adult would be able to produce (then there's bullying between adults too...). Young boys and girls don't have an identity of their own yet, they don't know who they are, and often still think the world is a magical place. Then someone comes along, and makes you feel like the most miserable person in the world, and often for no apparent reason at all. How would the bullied kid know why (s)he's being treated so unfairly?

If that kid went to talk to his/her parents, teachers, principal, even reporters, if (s)he'd let as many people as possible know, then and only then, can the bullying be stopped. Unfortunately because of the psychological bullying, the kid becomes introverted and then (s)he breaks or explodes...

 

[Aprilgold]

People need to stop being a bunch of pansies and fight back. I mean what drives someone into suicide or a school shooting spree. Opposed to just closing your fist and smashing the shitface bully in the face. Or if you are too weak, maybe hire someone even. I don't care, but all i know is i do not respect the idiot who committed a shooting or suicide at all, especially over something as silly as bullying.

Worst way to deal with this situation, ever.
Kids minds are not that bloody big, and thus won't be strong willed. And in this state you can be more likely to become a murderer, its just true. You can look at how we tell why serial killers... Well, kill. Many times its something from their childhood.

You spend 8 hours in a room with these bullies, 8 hours with them, and more then likely, the teacher won't stop them from bullying you. So it becomes a personal hell. Kids won't punch a bully in the face because your spending 8 hours in hell, it loses point when you only get two days away from the assholes, then five with them. Its a simple principle, when you are dealing in hell for a year, and have kids fucking with you, one punch doesn't matter because your still outnumbered by bully, and likely, its more then one kid.

Trust me, I bloody fought myself from playing hangman in real life, and it becomes a prison, personal hell. Very few times did a teacher try to help, and very little they did when they did help. I had to get pulled from a school because I was thinking of bringing a knife one day.

What? The fact is, if you are ready to kill yourself. You have nnothing to lose, so why not make the kid suffer who was making you suffer. Beat his skull in with a wrench, maybe even just kill him if you are so inclined to do so. But maybe try to get away with it just for the thrill. Become the joker later in life.

This is to where you just seem idiotic, whats the point, you have about 5 other kids doing the same thing, and when depressed you lose all feeling to do anything. You have nothing to try and explain since you don't seem to care to change. This is exactly why kids suicide or go on a killing spree, because the adults will only tell you to "suck it up" or to "punch them in the jaw" but that doesn't solve the problem, and you already know that you shouldn't do those things.

In my experience? Because near damn every teacher in the system is corrupt and dickish. But thats just here in Arkansas.

Same as over here in the states.

 

[snake4769]

People need to stop being a bunch of pansies and fight back. I mean what drives someone into suicide or a school shooting spree. Opposed to just closing your fist and smashing the shitface bully in the face. Or if you are too weak, maybe hire someone even. I don't care, but all i know is i do not respect the idiot who committed a shooting or suicide at all, especially over something as silly as bullying.

Worst way to deal with this situation, ever.
Kids minds are not that bloody big, and thus won't be strong willed. And in this state you can be more likely to become a murderer, its just true. You can look at how we tell why serial killers... Well, kill. Many times its something from their childhood.

You spend 8 hours in a room with these bullies, 8 hours with them, and more then likely, the teacher won't stop them from bullying you. So it becomes a personal hell. Kids won't punch a bully in the face because your spending 8 hours in hell, it loses point when you only get two days away from the assholes, then five with them. Its a simple principle, when you are dealing in hell for a year, and have kids fucking with you, one punch doesn't matter because your still outnumbered by bully, and likely, its more then one kid.

Trust me, I bloody fought myself from playing hangman in real life, and it becomes a prison, personal hell. Very few times did a teacher try to help, and very little they did when they did help. I had to get pulled from a school because I was thinking of bringing a knife one day.

What? The fact is, if you are ready to kill yourself. You have nnothing to lose, so why not make the kid suffer who was making you suffer. Beat his skull in with a wrench, maybe even just kill him if you are so inclined to do so. But maybe try to get away with it just for the thrill. Become the joker later in life.

This is to where you just seem idiotic, whats the point, you have about 5 other kids doing the same thing, and when depressed you lose all feeling to do anything. You have nothing to try and explain since you don't seem to care to change. This is exactly why kids suicide or go on a killing spree, because the adults will only tell you to "suck it up" or to "punch them in the jaw" but that doesn't solve the problem, and you already know that you shouldn't do those things.

Then its natural selection. Might be sick to say, but if they are weak willed enough to give up, then GIVE UP and kill yourself.

I am sorry but i feel as if im strong willed enough to go down in a blaze of glory. I'd sooner die trying to hurt the person trying to hurt me before killing myself.

 

[Carbonyl]

For the entirety of my elementary school career, I cried everyday because I was afraid to go to school, by second grade, I was so messed up they gave me a full neuropsych exam and there were serious concerns about me being suicidal at the age of 7, for the entirety of third grade I had panic attacks because my teacher told the class that "Anna didn't finish her work, so none of us are going out for recess" several times a week. The woman stabbed me with a pencil and I still have the scar and she never got in trouble. When my little brother started at the school I was in fifth grade, I had to beat up every single kid in the fifth grade to get people to leave him alone, apparently it was enough to get them to leave me alone too. I was lucky, I was so lucky, if I hadn't finally stood up for myself and my brother, and they hadn't been unwilling to work for their jollies, I would have spent the rest of my life in the same living hell. I lived in one of the richest neighborhoods in America, I was continually and systematically emotionally abused by my classmates, several teachers, and the principal for five years. When I complained, they told me that it was my own fault for being strange and that "telling on others is not conducive to a cohesive learning environment". I am never going to forget how the principal told six year old me that I was in trouble for going to my teacher in tears and refusing to work with the other kids. The school wanted me quiet, they wanted nothing to be wrong. I was supposed to shut up, and fix myself so I was "right", so I fit in, and if I couldn't it was my own fault. The system was perfect, the town was perfect, the PTA mothers' children were perfect, I was wrong and so were my parents who both had jobs and didn't have tans and weren't in the PTA. It's still happening in my town, a friend of mine got beat up by a group of girls, she was charged with inciting a mob. My little brother got punched by another kid in gym? He got suspended, the other kid didn't.

The problem is not going to stop, the schools want it to go away (and don't have the resources to deal with it), the kids learn from their parents, police don't want to work for the losing side and the whole point of bullying is to isolate the victim and make them helpless. No one wants to listen to the bullied kid because it makes problems. It's complicated, you have to deal with more parents if you support the victim and it's so much easier to just cover it up. They want to ignore it until it goes away, and they want you to too.

It doesn't go away and it will never not hurt. You can cover your ears so hard that they bleed but you will not be able to drown out kids teasing or mocking you. Bullied kids are told and taught to keep quiet, don't make noise and maybe the bullies wont pay attention and maybe you can just about your daily life and maybe if you're quiet they won't find you intolerable and if you make them mad you just make yourself invisible and small and maybe they'll forget and never talk to anyone new because then they don't have a chance to hate you like everyone else or maybe they already do but it's not worth it and it's scary.

I was taught not to fight back, I was taught I was somehow "wrong" and I was told I was stupid because I couldn't learn when I was afraid of other kids. I believed it for so goddamn long and I lived in terror for so many years and even though I know that I'm not wrong and that I can speak up and that I have a genius IQ and multiple awards for chemistry and so many wonderful friends... I will never, ever be able to remove the sheer and utter social terror that is ingrained into my psyche. I still live in fear, and it's not Ok.

It's not going to get better until someone makes it so unpleasant to continue that the schools and police are willing to do the work to make it stop. The system is complacent and won't budge until it's more work to be complacent than to take action. The problem lays with the fact that bullied kids are conditioned to stay quiet and keep their heads down, if we want to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else, we have to ignore those instincts, and make as much noise as possible.

 

[bluegate]

One reason is that bullying is still portrayed in most forms of modern media as a everyday occurrence. It may not be the cause of all the bullying, but seeing kids getting bullied and what not on cartoons may effect small children in more ways than just getting averse to the idea of bullying, it might encourage them, subconsciously to start bullying.

And then there is also the case of parents being 'abusive' or 'power'-figures, which kids could copy and there you go, they will behave to other kids as their parents behave towards eachother or the kid.

as for why schools aren't doing anything about it, I guess that the schools in the country you live in are pants on head retarded, if there are truly that many suicides related to bullying.

 

[Aprilgold]

People need to stop being a bunch of pansies and fight back. I mean what drives someone into suicide or a school shooting spree. Opposed to just closing your fist and smashing the shitface bully in the face. Or if you are too weak, maybe hire someone even. I don't care, but all i know is i do not respect the idiot who committed a shooting or suicide at all, especially over something as silly as bullying.

Worst way to deal with this situation, ever.
Kids minds are not that bloody big, and thus won't be strong willed. And in this state you can be more likely to become a murderer, its just true. You can look at how we tell why serial killers... Well, kill. Many times its something from their childhood.

You spend 8 hours in a room with these bullies, 8 hours with them, and more then likely, the teacher won't stop them from bullying you. So it becomes a personal hell. Kids won't punch a bully in the face because your spending 8 hours in hell, it loses point when you only get two days away from the assholes, then five with them. Its a simple principle, when you are dealing in hell for a year, and have kids fucking with you, one punch doesn't matter because your still outnumbered by bully, and likely, its more then one kid.

Trust me, I bloody fought myself from playing hangman in real life, and it becomes a prison, personal hell. Very few times did a teacher try to help, and very little they did when they did help. I had to get pulled from a school because I was thinking of bringing a knife one day.

What? The fact is, if you are ready to kill yourself. You have nnothing to lose, so why not make the kid suffer who was making you suffer. Beat his skull in with a wrench, maybe even just kill him if you are so inclined to do so. But maybe try to get away with it just for the thrill. Become the joker later in life.

This is to where you just seem idiotic, whats the point, you have about 5 other kids doing the same thing, and when depressed you lose all feeling to do anything. You have nothing to try and explain since you don't seem to care to change. This is exactly why kids suicide or go on a killing spree, because the adults will only tell you to "suck it up" or to "punch them in the jaw" but that doesn't solve the problem, and you already know that you shouldn't do those things.

Then its natural selection. Might be sick to say, but if they are weak willed to stay down, then STAY DOWN and die.

I am sorry but i feel as if im strong willed enough to go down in a blaze of glory. I'd sooner die trying to hurt the person trying to hurt me before killing myself.

You still don't get it, do you? Its not SURVIVAL TO THE FITTEST, its just kid losing their childhood too soon. Your just trolling, that is certain. And your speaking words of a man that has never been in the situation at hand, its easy to say "Oh yeah, I could shoot this guy easy or I would have no problem touturing them" but then you have to realize that shooting the kid, looking at his shrunken eyes, thinking of his thoughts running through his head, feeling your head getting hotter, sweating, your palms getting more watery. Shooting someone is not a easy thing, ask any cop or any solider, its not easy.
As stated before, being depressed, you lose all meaning to do anything, why kill them, to spend the rest of my life in jail, no one cares for me, no one would care even after, I'm alone. Common thoughts I had in my suicidal phase.

A kids brain is very, very impressionable, thus making it very easy to upset a kid to the point of suicide.

 

[DustinOffAClassic]

Bullying is the flavor of the month social issue. And it's perfect for the media because it encompasses so much; general bullying, (bullying over) homosexuality, violence, suicide "victims"........thanks to the wide scope, it's going to be a very long "month"

I can't help but roll my eyes when it's brought up (and no, I'm not saying that's fair) because people suddenly care. It's a fad. It won't just be taken care of, it will be over-cooked. And other glaring issues will roll by while we are saving the occasional disturbed kid that kills their self.

Not that stopping bullying isn't noble. But it's the way it is being suddenly handled and overdone that bothers me.

 

[SillyBear]

I am sorry but i feel as if im strong willed enough to go down in a blaze of glory. I'd sooner die trying to hurt the person trying to hurt me before killing myself.

I love the fact, that even in your stupid fantasy, you have the will to "go down in a blaze of glory", but you don't have the will to just not kill yourself to begin with.

 

[snake4769]

I am sorry but i feel as if im strong willed enough to go down in a blaze of glory. I'd sooner die trying to hurt the person trying to hurt me before killing myself.

I love the fact, that even in your stupid fantasy, you have the will to "go down in a blaze of glory", but you don't have the will to just not kill yourself to begin with.

Wut? I cant make sense of this. I dont have the will to not kill myself? I apologize


And everyone else, its not fantasy, if its as bad as all of you say it is. If it comes down to life or death. And yes it does come to that considering the suicidal kids. No, its not too hard to gun down your tormentor. Hell they DO do that in school shootings. The thing i hate about that shit, is they needlessly kill a lot of innocents.

Nothing, i mean nothing, excuses suicides. There is always a way.

 

[mb16]

When i was younger i had a speech impediment caused by a bit of excess skin under my tong (i later had laser sugary to remove it), this in turn made me extremely shy and quite. Now at school this made me the perfect target for ...well, arseholes to increase their egos. This abuse was mostly insults but there were some physical attacks* as well. There was one guy specially, who literally every time we interacted he was an utter arse to me. So yeah i can see how somebody could be driven to these extreme levels

* i did fight back when it was physical attacks. I now have scars to show for it

To those saying: "oh man up and get over it", imagine going into school/collage/work everyday and everyone saying how shit you are. Now tell me it wouldnt have a negative effect on you

I am sorry but i feel as if im strong willed enough to go down in a blaze of glory. I'd sooner die trying to hurt the person trying to hurt me before killing myself.

I love the fact, that even in your stupid fantasy, you have the will to "go down in a blaze of glory", but you don't have the will to just not kill yourself to begin with.

Wut? I cant make sense of this. I dont have the will to not kill myself? I apologize


And everyone else, its not fantasy, if its as bad as all of you say it is. If it comes down to life or death. And yes it does come to that considering the suicidal kids. No, its not too hard to gun down your tormentor. Hell they DO do that in school shootings. The thing i hate about that shit, is they needlessly kill a lot of innocents.

Nothing, i mean nothing, excuses suicides. There is always a way.

reading through your posts, im going to say that your one of these people who put others down just so you can increase your ego

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I don't want to sound like the devil's advocate here. As someone who has been properly bullied I despise bullies. However, it is a sad yet unavoidable fact of life that 'bullies gonna bully' and 'haters gonna hate'. It doesn't matter how harsh your punishments are, or how good you are at catching them at it, the douchebags are always going to find a way to torment the weak. In response to situations like this, your only option is to 'deal with it'. When my bullying stopped it had nothing to do with my teachers or parents, and everything to do with my realisation that nobody was going to look out for me until I proved I was both willing and able to (at least partially) look out for myself.

I think it's also important to distinguish between what is actual bullying, and what is just 'boys will be boys' kind of stuff. A lot of cases I know where the word 'bullying' has come up, I've found it to be 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. The accused are indeed taking things too far, but by the same token the accuser is also being too sensitive, sometimes even asking for it. There's actually a lot positive to be said for the more minor stuff. It keeps adolescent ego's in check and stops people from getting too big headed for their own good. It also sharpens your wit.

Bottom line is, you won't find that this sort of stuff just stops when you enter the adult world, so when you're a kid you have to learn the difference between what is real bullying and what isn't, and how to look after number 1, otherwise you've got no chance. That doesn't mean that the bullies are in the right, not at all. But committing suicide, going on a killing spree, or just generally playing the part of the helpless victim that they're trying to make you play, isn't going to win you any friends and it certainly isn't going to make them stop.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Because Humans have an innate needs to pick on the Scary Other.

And then you have people in positions of Authority who actively encourage it. See certain Republican politicians, or groups like Focus on the Family.

It won't stop until people as a collective grow a sense of decency and realize that "different" doesn't mean "bad."

 

[SeriousIssues]

You think they wouldn't love to flip a switch that said "STOP ALL BULLYING"?

 

[Dragonforce525]

Too many parents rely on kids TV to teach moral lessons, but one episode of Dora The Explorer where the lesson is "bullying is bad" isn't enough, my parents knew this and made damn well sure that I knew that picking on others is disgusting, and I remember the conversation so vividly, I was 4-5 and my mother talked to me like I was 30, she sat me down, looked me dead in the face and told me how bad bullying is, why it's bad and why people who bully are bad, she made it seem like if I bullied anyone ever she would lose all respect for me and never forgive me, and I've never bullied anyone and haven't associated with anyone who bullies others.

Now I'm just one guy so can't say if this approach would work well for others, but I know when I have children I'm gonna do the exact same as my mother did for me.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Balls. it DID post twice. Really sorry. >.<

 

[quantumsoul]

If you've any friends that will get your back in a fight then travel in packs you should be ok.

I haven't been physically bullied as it turns me into a beast of pure rage and if bleed I make sure they bleed more. They will only respect you if they have a reason to fear you. Just don't do anything too extreme like using weapons. I'd much rather you not have to ever resort to any violence. Maybe a martial art like aikido would be good. It'll let you take opponent down without hurting them much, if you so choose.

 

[hotsauceman]

I myself think its two things.
1: Bullying and hardships like bullying are still considred part of growing up. You need it to "Toughen up" for real life.
2iscretion cant be emphasized more. You either stop all bullying or none. And just like all crimes are not the serious so is not all bullying. You need to teach the school to differentiate between "Kids being kids" and Life threatening bullying.