Why is Kaiden Alenko so popular?
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So the guy doesn't exactly break a mirror, he has hella emotional issues that need to be fixed, he will tell you about said issues if you ask but not if you don't, he toughs out migraines (which isn't exactly easy), he has empathy for his fellow man/woman/alien/mono-gendered-wierdos, doesn't shirk away from what needs to be done and is loyal to the core.
He may come off as a bit of a whiny ***** sometimes but its not like he's crawling in his skin or anything.
He may come off as a bit of a whiny ***** sometimes but its not like he's crawling in his skin or anything.
But he isn't whiny, he never whines, tbh.0bserv3 said:
I do have a theory that people think he whines because
A) Carth's voice actor (Sbarge)
B) Shepard tells him that talking about his history doesn't make him a whiner.....
C) If you have renegade Shep he will question your choices and male gamers hate being questioned.
Mostly C, I think......... ;-)
I thought he ended up killing a guy because of his biotic powers? And that business with the girl he liked? And the horrible training facility he was forced to be put through as a child?chemlight said:
Just because someone appears to be 100% a-okay doesn't mean they are. People can have a lot of emotional baggage. Kaiden's just managed to bury it all so it makes him appear a 'deeper character' than the in-your-face Thane with his terminal illness and issue with his son(?). The point is to make Kaiden appear to be operating properly but have some skeletons in the closet that players opened up through dialogue, so to speak. Just look at Jack. She's like Kaiden taken to the extreme without his childhood issues having been repressed in a healthy(?) way.
Kaidan is quite popular, because he is apart of ME1 main characters, most of which were well-written. I think he might have become more popular, once his fans realized how awful his cameo was in ME2, so they made their presence more known. For some reason, people have a hard time with Kaidan, because he is a good, decent, quiet guy, who only gets passionate when needed to. Oh, and he's also a guy, that is sensitive. Most gamers are male, and some of them don't like Kaidan and call him wimpy because he is not this overly macho badass like Zaeed or Wrex.
Okay. Here's the reason why both Kaidan Alenko of ME1 and Jacob Taylor of ME2 rock socks. Are you ready? This reason is crazy, but it's totally true.
*ahem*
They're both decent guys with no huge personal fault.
The moment I went into ME1 and heard Kaidan's voice actor being the same as Carth I was a bit worried that it'd be hard for me to seperate the two characters. But immediately he started laying out the kinds of observations that Carth wouldn't even dream of and would sooner whine about. And with that there was no problem in me seperating him from the previous guy.
Jacob in ME2 is really pretty much the same thing, only he on the other hand has an even less troubled past than Kaiden does (or at least one that has a whole lot fewer personal regrets of his). Even with his personal mission, involving his father, you can easily understand him being utterly furious with his lack of responsibility. And not surprisingly posts immediately popped up ala "Jacob Taylor is so boring, he ain't worth shit."
As the old saying goes. We like people for their virtues, but we love them for their mistakes. Both Kaiden and Jacob have very few mistakes and as such some people just can't help but do a /spit routine on them whenever their names are mentioned, while others just look at them as really nice guys. Perhaps a bit boring, but still...nice guys and good characters certainly.
*ahem*
They're both decent guys with no huge personal fault.
The moment I went into ME1 and heard Kaidan's voice actor being the same as Carth I was a bit worried that it'd be hard for me to seperate the two characters. But immediately he started laying out the kinds of observations that Carth wouldn't even dream of and would sooner whine about. And with that there was no problem in me seperating him from the previous guy.
Jacob in ME2 is really pretty much the same thing, only he on the other hand has an even less troubled past than Kaiden does (or at least one that has a whole lot fewer personal regrets of his). Even with his personal mission, involving his father, you can easily understand him being utterly furious with his lack of responsibility. And not surprisingly posts immediately popped up ala "Jacob Taylor is so boring, he ain't worth shit."
As the old saying goes. We like people for their virtues, but we love them for their mistakes. Both Kaiden and Jacob have very few mistakes and as such some people just can't help but do a /spit routine on them whenever their names are mentioned, while others just look at them as really nice guys. Perhaps a bit boring, but still...nice guys and good characters certainly.
I feel the same waylacktheknack said:
I mean, Kaidan was, as many say, a kinda average but nice guy that I really could just hang with and chill.
Garrus is basically Turian batman.
Wrex is a proud warrior race guy done right, I.E., he had brains, feelings and a sense of humour.
Ashley felt like a very real person, for better and for worse.
Liara was kind and sweet to everyone.
Ditto for Tali, although they're still kinda hard to compare..
I suppose I can see why some people hate some of the companions you pick up, but I also see why some love 'em
No way, Zaeed shows more personality in a few lines of dialogue than Kaiden ever has. I can't even remember Kaiden's backstory.Lolth17 said:
Well, you are going to get horrible responses here because Kaidan, and Alistair for that matter, were made for people who are sexually attracted to men. Seeing as this board is like 90% straight male, you're not going to get a satisfactory answer, though she:
Because despite what you may have read about über macho men and their rather lackadaisical attitude toward women being the most attractive kind of guy, most women are happy to have a fella who will talk to them, understands them and is kind to them. Both of these characters fit that bill.
As far as attractiveness goes, if you aren't attracted to men, it would be difficult for you to determine what it is about men that attracts women. As far as video game males go, he isn't bad.
As for the whole fanfiction thing well...
Is a good example of a lady who these characters were created for. I am also a good example of the demographic Bioware developers were thinking of when they created these guys.Jenova65 said:
Because despite what you may have read about über macho men and their rather lackadaisical attitude toward women being the most attractive kind of guy, most women are happy to have a fella who will talk to them, understands them and is kind to them. Both of these characters fit that bill.
As far as attractiveness goes, if you aren't attracted to men, it would be difficult for you to determine what it is about men that attracts women. As far as video game males go, he isn't bad.
As for the whole fanfiction thing well...
This answers that question quite well.Souplex said:
It's rather interesting and yet frustrating to read some of the things posted. Some of it is untrue, some is just narrow minded and then, some is just meant to cause a negative reaction in others. I won't ignore the fair personal opinions and simple statements - but the haters are just a mystery to me.
Some people say he whines... does he? What do you consider whining? I am just wondering because I played as FShep and MShep and talked to all characters and I don't see any whining. He talks of his past and his experiences but he doesn't whine.
He is bland - is he? Did you actually spend time with the character - both genders and talk? I did with both genders and while he has less to say to an MShep, he is an interesting character for FShep.
I actually like most characters in Mass Effect 1&2 and Kaidan is among them. Do I like him better than most? Yes, I do. He is a mature character, who has dealt with his problems and didn't need or ask for help. He has a history - but that is exactly it; it is history and while he shares it in conversations he also points out that he has come to terms with it.
Additionally, he remains in his role as soldier throughout the game, never forgetting his duty and even continues it in ME2, when he doesn't follow Shepard blindly (this is shared with Ash).
So, yes I like him and I enjoyed the chance to choose him as LI and would like to see him in ME3 again. Of course I am aware that I will be branded as sad/rabid/delusional fangirl by some and I can't change that but it doesn't change anything.
As a little note for the few fair-minded: Forgive me the upcoming use of generalizations and clichés but the constant meetings with haters is getting really tiering. Also, I don't expect all female gamers to like Kaidan - they are entitled to their opinion and preferences of course but they tend to bash less, so I am not addressing them separately.
Of course I am aware that among the majority of slightly homophobic and often immature male gamer community - we are fighting a hard battle. To actually see characters that actually stepped away from a stereotypical path is very delightful change and as sad as it is - the motivational picture shown just recently, speaks more the truth than it should.
It is rather sad to see how many people just go on bashing and hating a character, for the bashing and hating sake. Why not just leave it to those that like it? Why not just accept that some people will prefer different characters, games, paths, ways, classes or what not.
I feel for you - Haters. May you find your own personal joy one of those days...
Some people say he whines... does he? What do you consider whining? I am just wondering because I played as FShep and MShep and talked to all characters and I don't see any whining. He talks of his past and his experiences but he doesn't whine.
He is bland - is he? Did you actually spend time with the character - both genders and talk? I did with both genders and while he has less to say to an MShep, he is an interesting character for FShep.
I actually like most characters in Mass Effect 1&2 and Kaidan is among them. Do I like him better than most? Yes, I do. He is a mature character, who has dealt with his problems and didn't need or ask for help. He has a history - but that is exactly it; it is history and while he shares it in conversations he also points out that he has come to terms with it.
Additionally, he remains in his role as soldier throughout the game, never forgetting his duty and even continues it in ME2, when he doesn't follow Shepard blindly (this is shared with Ash).
So, yes I like him and I enjoyed the chance to choose him as LI and would like to see him in ME3 again. Of course I am aware that I will be branded as sad/rabid/delusional fangirl by some and I can't change that but it doesn't change anything.
As a little note for the few fair-minded: Forgive me the upcoming use of generalizations and clichés but the constant meetings with haters is getting really tiering. Also, I don't expect all female gamers to like Kaidan - they are entitled to their opinion and preferences of course but they tend to bash less, so I am not addressing them separately.
Of course I am aware that among the majority of slightly homophobic and often immature male gamer community - we are fighting a hard battle. To actually see characters that actually stepped away from a stereotypical path is very delightful change and as sad as it is - the motivational picture shown just recently, speaks more the truth than it should.
It is rather sad to see how many people just go on bashing and hating a character, for the bashing and hating sake. Why not just leave it to those that like it? Why not just accept that some people will prefer different characters, games, paths, ways, classes or what not.
I feel for you - Haters. May you find your own personal joy one of those days...
I totally sacrificed the crap out of Kaiden, to express I didnt like him.
But then I did a second playthrough, and sacrificed the girl instead, for you know, achievements >.> So my ME2 file showed Kaiden being alive, in all his boringness.
I guess the girls like him because he's normal? I mean he's more or less a standard soldier, no crazy, nor deranged or creepy or anything, just your typical enslisted trooper, doing what it takes to make things safer. So he's the easiest to put into relatable settings? Personally, I found these things to make him incredibly boring. I want my party crazy, dammit!
But then I did a second playthrough, and sacrificed the girl instead, for you know, achievements >.> So my ME2 file showed Kaiden being alive, in all his boringness.
I guess the girls like him because he's normal? I mean he's more or less a standard soldier, no crazy, nor deranged or creepy or anything, just your typical enslisted trooper, doing what it takes to make things safer. So he's the easiest to put into relatable settings? Personally, I found these things to make him incredibly boring. I want my party crazy, dammit!