Good point. I really don't feel too strongly about the subject, so whatever happens is fine with me. Your logic about being able to properly track it if it were legalized is nearly impossible to ignore. It's would probably be the biggest pro if it was legalized. There are bound to be some cons, but nothing losing any sleep over.
Why is marijuana illegal?
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I'd really like to see the source of your allegation the cannabis directly kills brain cells, because i think you are just talking out of your ass on that sir, there are actually studies that starting to show an increase in brain power as a result of ingesting THC, here are my sourcesnklshaz said:
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/126/6/1252.short
http://budfacts.com/243/new-study-proves-that-marijuana-increases-brain-cell-formation/
EDIT: i realize the second article is from budfacts, however if you read into the study, it has merit, i chose budfacts because is provides a good overview
So, why exactly do you wish for it to stay illegal? I think that there's a lot of good that can come from it being legal. And yes, marijuana can be harmful, but only in the act of smoking it, because smoke in your lungs is harmful. It doesn't really have anything to do with the marijuana, because the smoke from anything would be just as harmful.nklshaz said:
It drastically slows reflexes and impairs judgement. Those are the exact same reason alcohol makes people bad drivers. I don't care what you put in your body, but don't smoke and drive, it's stupid for so many reasons. If for no other reason than lowering the risk of getting caught by the cops, don't smoke and drive.TheJesus89 said:
I'm just a little apprehensive about it because some of these studies seem a little inconclusive. Information has shifted from one side to the other throughout the years, and I'd like all the information to be firmly pinned down. Also, the gateway drug theory. It could easily be false, but it would be rather scary if it were real. Again, I'm not heavily concerned with the outcome. The decision I came to only won out by a very thin margin.Zabriskie Point said:
Some old studies. (Which I have been informed are false) I'm not really interested in the subject or the outcome, so I haven't bothered keeping up. Also, please read all of my other posts on this threadstutheninja said:
(And if I really did manage to talk out my ass, I'd expect people to be impressed rather than irritated ;P )
If you smoke pot you're a loser who can't take life and needs to smoke a blunt just to feel good because you'r life is fucking pathetic and I hope that you go broke and die in the streets cold and lonely. I don't care if you have straight A's in school, and cured AIDS, you smoke pot you just can't take life for what it is. "Oh it is good clothing." Yeah, I don't fucking care, it's not like there are 100's of different materials to make clothes out of. "It relieves stress." Seriously, get over yourself. We all had hard day, we all feel pain, get over it. It's life, life sucks.
Cigarettes and Alcohol: Yeah they do more damage maybe, but that doesn't make them right. Tobacco was one of America's leading exports during it's early founding, so maybe it's to keep the tradition. Alcohol is legal because when you're the legal drinking age, you should be able to make you're own decisions.
Cigarettes and Alcohol: Yeah they do more damage maybe, but that doesn't make them right. Tobacco was one of America's leading exports during it's early founding, so maybe it's to keep the tradition. Alcohol is legal because when you're the legal drinking age, you should be able to make you're own decisions.
Marijuana would never outsell either alcohol or tobacco. Alcohol is safer than marijuana if you don't do something stupid like drink and drive, or slam enough shots to fuck-up a horse. And Tobacco is wayyyyyyy too addictive to have it's sales beaten. Look at the price per pack and think about the fact that people are willing to pay that for a day or less of cigarettes, marijuana will never beat it.NightHawk21 said:
I don't have a link to the exact statistics, but only one percent of all marijuana users have used cocaine. Less than one percent have used heroin. I think that it being illegal fuels the gateway effect because you have to go through a drug dealer to get marijuana. That drug dealer could pressure you into trying something stronger.nklshaz said:
The whole idea seems a little silly to me. You don't say milk is a gateway drink because a lot of people went from milk to alcohol. If people go from marijuana to cocaine and harder drugs then it's because they started on a softer drug and wanted something more. There's certainly nothing in marijuana that makes people go on to harder drugs.
You can make your own decisions, as long as that decision isn't using marijuana, right? You see the flaw in that logic?novixz said:
Because of massive misinformation and lack of education on the common population, particularly those in less urban regions, oh and let's not forget the popular pseudo-political argument of:
THC is, for the most part, a near harmless substance that can only damage when consumed in excess, the consequences are hardly severe and significantly less damaging then Alcohol and Tobacco.
If anyone "needs" any of the aforementioned substances, the dependency is purely psychological (meaning that the addicted party is, mentally speaking, a weakling) and I can't blame someone for trying to make money off the weak and unwilling, so I see no reason to ban it (or booze and smokes for that matter). As for protecting children from "the dangers of psychoactive substances? Parents, do your damn job and stop expecting the state and law enforcement to do it for you, can't handle your kid's behaviour? Shouldn't have had the brats in the first place.
THC is, for the most part, a near harmless substance that can only damage when consumed in excess, the consequences are hardly severe and significantly less damaging then Alcohol and Tobacco.
If anyone "needs" any of the aforementioned substances, the dependency is purely psychological (meaning that the addicted party is, mentally speaking, a weakling) and I can't blame someone for trying to make money off the weak and unwilling, so I see no reason to ban it (or booze and smokes for that matter). As for protecting children from "the dangers of psychoactive substances? Parents, do your damn job and stop expecting the state and law enforcement to do it for you, can't handle your kid's behaviour? Shouldn't have had the brats in the first place.
Also this. Every single pothead I have ever met(and god I live in pothead central so I've met a lot of them), are incapable of coherently putting together a thought even when they're sober. It's like talking to a particularly un-intelligent wall.Raddra said:
That said, i still have no problem with it being legal, it's relatively un-addictive, and if you want to smoke pot, smoke pot, you're the one who's gonna have to live with the consequences. I will never smoke pot, so it doesn't affect me. however, if you smoke and drive, or drink and drive, I would love the opportunity to punch you in the face. repeatedly. and then run you over with a car.
Normally I wouldn't, because these drug arguments are always so boring, but this made me laugh so much that I had to respond. Now, I have not read the whole thread, so it's possible I may be repeating what someone else already said. If so, I do apologize.Kopikatsu said:
Anyway, that's a silly argument. The single dominant effect of legalizing murder would probably to cause a spike in murder rates. Social order would break down, etc.
The single dominant effect of legalizing marijuana would be to keep a lot of people who may have otherwise committed no crime out of jail. Or students who have otherwise done no wrong from being stripped of financial aid, keeping them from higher education. It would also eliminate the occurrence of individuals with criminal records for possession of marijuana from being denied employment. You can probably see why that particular analogy fails: Social breakdown versus freedom for people who have committed harmless "crimes."
Moving on, medical costs would certainly rise if use was legalized, however these could potentially be offset by the savings gained by no longer housing inmates that have probably not hurt anything significantly, besides their own lungs. More than that, there is the double gain that these individuals would no longer be trapped in jail, producing nothing, but would be out in the wider economy. Counter to stereotypes of people who smoke marijuana, most do indeed have jobs. Anyway, myself I would prefer to spend more money on healthcare than on a bloated prison system. Gains in revenue from taxation would compound the cost-offset--revenue increases would not save any economies, but could very well pay the social costs of increased medical expenditure and then some.
The primary new costs would come from regulation of this newly-legalized crop, but I somehow doubt that it would cost more than the highly ineffective marijuana campaign of the War on Drugs. It might, however.
So, a benefit for the potential legalization of marijuana is that it would increase the autonomy and freedom for many individuals whose only crime was to use or possess marijuana, while probably offsetting negative economic effects and possibly resulting in net gains. Therefore, there are good reasons for it to be legalized.
To be fair this is a "Personal Experience" perspective and thus non-objective and non-usable as an argument.spartan231490 said:
For instance, on a personal level, I have yet to meet a religiously devout person with an I.Q. over 100, but I'll certainly not state them to be all equally... "under par".
Warning in 5... 4... 3...novixz said:
It's fun. You've never done it so don't judge other people for doing it.
Also, it seems like you just got out of DARE. So enjoy your adolescence when it comes, my young friend.
Have you ever been drunk or high?spartan231490 said:
There is such a massive difference between the two. Also, There is a difference between smoking a joint and then driving over smoking for 8 hours straight then driving. I'm talking about the former over the later.
And believe me, I'd do the later over driving even tipsy any day.
Hallucinations are nowhere near common, though. Marijuana effects everyone differently, but hallucinating is rare.ravensheart18 said:
Either way, driving while high is extremely stupid.
had nothing to do with the economy dude. It has everything to do with this country liking the ability to get high, and also liking the ability to choose. The country went into an uproar after alcohol was illegalized, crime skyrocketed, and eventually they had to make it legal again. It was the populace who fought to make it legal again, not an economic crash.nklshaz said:
Still, marijuana being illegal definitely has to do with the economy, competes with tobacco which is way too profitable to allow that, and it'd be much harder to tax because it's easier to grow yourself, so high taxes would create the same illegal market that having it be illegal does.
To be honest I was just stalling so I could be on the computer and not take a shower. But alcohol is legal because people know how to handle their booze, they know when to get help, mostly. Weed it's just "blaze up whenever, you can't OD on it and you can't get poising."Zabriskie Point said:
That's the most biased argument I've ever heard.novixz said:
1. You CAN'T overdose on marijuana. It's physically impossible.
2. Most alcoholics will deny that they're alcoholics all day.
Actually the exact opposite has happened.[/quote]banksy122 said:
You know, everyone says that it has no long term side-effects, but every single pot-head I have ever met(I've met a lot of them) are completely incapable of forming coherent thoughts, even when they're sober. It's like having a conversation with a particularly un-intelligent wall. The problem with saying that there are no long-term side-effects is the lack of long-term studies with heavy usage.
That said, I still think it should be legal. It's your choice what you put in your body. Also, i doubt that moderate or light use would have the same long-term effects.