But, but...MaxTheReaper said:Does to me.ShredHead said:Sorry had to reply,
No.No no no no no no no.
Metal is not all the same and if you have had that experience then you most certainly have not been listening to metal. At least not good metal.
Also, don't "No True Scotsman" me - you can do better.
I just don't like metal - too much noise.
MaxTheReaper said:It's not going to be that hard - out of the two songs I listened to, both started out with the singer screaming.ShredHead said:But, but...
Fine.
But check out Protest the Hero, then try and tell me you don't like metal.
So, "I don't like metal."
MaxTheReaper said:Because I can get all the same level of writing quality without the screaming.notsosavagemessiah said:Strangely enough, i also find that the writing in most REAL metal is so far beyond mainstream music in both depth and complexity that it perplexes me why people DON'T listen to it.
Furthermore, loud noises make my head hurt.
So does headbanging.notsosavagemessiah said:Let me tell you this though, if the song "the light that blinds" by shadows fall doesn't get you banging your head, you're either deaf, or dead.
Nothing says "fun" like ending up with a headache so severely painful you can't move!
Trust me, my taste in music will never affect your life.ShredHead said:Damn it Max!
Fine.
yes very much soCheeze_Pavilion said:Nope.cleverlymadeup said:most of what could be considered "splintered" from punk can easily have been said to come from other genres
not even punk, that's traditional celtic music sounds a lot like Spirit of the Westnot even rock, let alone three guitar chordspunk never really did evolve, it's stayed the same, sure someone might claim they are different but it doesn't mean it. they are still the same 3 chord rock
i'm far from being an elitist and i do have a good clue what it takes to create a song, having a few friends that are in bands that are in different genres of musicEven if that was true, there's more to music than chords and arpeggios. Something many metal--and classical--elitists forget.that it's ever been and you can easily trace it right back to the source of where it came from
no they aren't outside anything, they are part of the punk machine. i mean i can declare myself an outsider, it doesn't mean i am. all it's doing is saying you're an outsider. since they aren't really crossing genres or doing anything outside what the genre is about, they are not outsiders in the leastAnd just as prime example is Riot Grrl because they are artists from outside the academy--I think you know *some* of what outsider art is, but not all of it.i do know what outsider art is and calling some subgenre of punk outsider art isn't right. a prime example of outsider art is Johnny Cash doing the cover of Nine Inch Nails because Johnny was a country & western musicians and NiN is an industrial band
really i can say it can easily be attributed to rock and metal very easily as wellCheeze_Pavilion said:There's no length you won't go to in order to keep disagreeing, will you? Seriously? Alternative can easily said to have come from a genre other than punk? C'mon--you're embarrassing yourself here.cleverlymadeup said:yes very much soCheeze_Pavilion said:Nope.cleverlymadeup said:most of what could be considered "splintered" from punk can easily have been said to come from other genres
really they sound a lot more like The Corries with a bit of a rock twist. the thing is celtic and rock fusions have happened a lot before the Pogues came around.Like I said--you don't know enough about punk to talk about it like this. Traditional celtic music has been a part of punk since The Pogues.not even punk, that's traditional celtic music
actually it does sound a lot like Spirit of the West and yes i do happen know a lot more about them than Home for a Rest and Save this House, i was thinking more along the lines of the stuff they had before that such as The Crawl and a lot of their earlier stuff.No it doesn't. It's just that you're Canadian, and it sounds Celtic, and early Spirit of the West was celtic, and Home for a Rest is your unofficial national anthem.sounds a lot like Spirit of the West
If you're going to compare them to a Canadian celtic band, at least say something that makes sense like saying they sound like The Mahones.
If your knowledge of punk and/or Canadian celtic music doesn't go beyond what you heard at Frosh Week, well...
then by your definition Jimi Hendrix would be an outsider artist cause he never had any guitar training and was mostly self taught.Like I keep saying--you don't understand the full range of outsider art. Outsider art isn't just "crossing genres" it also can refer to art made by those without the standard training.no they aren't outside anything, they are part of the punk machine. i mean i can declare myself an outsider, it doesn't mean i am. all it's doing is saying you're an outsider. since they aren't really crossing genres or doing anything outside what the genre is about, they are not outsiders in the least