there's a difference between download speed and your own internet's speed. if you're using a high-quality internet like comcast then you wouldn't think anything is wrong, but if you were using somthing like the 15 dollar a month AT&T service then it would always seem laggy and crappy.Xyphon said:WAAAAAITWAITWAITWAIT! Metal Gear Online has dedicated servers? All I've ever seen are games hosted by the community. o-O"IamSofaKingRaw said:SHH! You are not helping MSXyphon said:Having owned a 360 with LIVE in the past, I can safely say that the only difference I noticed between PSN and LIVE is that I now have an extra $60 in my wallet. I've noticed no difference between the two connectivity wise. None, nada, zero, zilch. I view LIVE as you're really just paying for the content they have, virtually the same content that PC's and PS3's get for free and you're just being suckered into a P2P system.
As many others have said and will continue to say, they know people will buy it, thus they sell it.
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I too have went from Live to PSN. I had Live for 3 months and there isn't a 'better' community, (BTW what the hell does that mean, other then your friends who is this community?), the services is the same, the games multiplat games lag just as much (but the first party Sony games like KZ2/3, Metal Gear Online, Resistance 1/2, Socom etc. all use dedicated servers and don't lag at ALL) and the games are great for both. I don't see any benefit for playing for Live other than playing the exclusives online, because nothing else justifies its purchase.
Thing is, bud, I don't have such a grand internet speed. The highest speed I ever get when I download is 156kbs. =\Azaraxzealot said:well, some have said that the PS3's connectivity quality depends on the quality of your ISP.Xyphon said:Having owned a 360 with LIVE in the past, I can safely say that the only difference I noticed between PSN and LIVE is that I now have an extra $60 in my wallet. I've noticed no difference between the two connectivity wise. None, nada, zero, zilch. I view LIVE as you're really just paying for the content they have, virtually the same content that PC's and PS3's get for free and you're just being suckered into a P2P system.
As many others have said and will continue to say, they know people will buy it, thus they sell it.
so anyone playing on cheap 10 dollar a month internet would see problems while someone playing on 100 dollar a month lightspeed internet would claim there is no problem.
Yeah, I was wondering as well. Windows seven is like a God after the vile that was the operating that shall not be named. *shudders as it's still on his desktop*bl4ckh4wk64 said:You don't like Win7? Why?Souplex said:Bill Gates hasn't been at Microsoft for a few years. That explains how something as wretched as 7 could slip out.Cobblerfiend said:the real reason is it isnt free is because we will pay for it
sorry but Mr gates loves him some money
Where I'm from, Chicago, Comcast is faster than AT&T but AT&T's connection quality is better and more stable. I'll take 1.5mbps DSL over Crapcast's 10mbps connection any day.Azaraxzealot said:there's a difference between download speed and your own internet's speed. if you're using a high-quality internet like comcast then you wouldn't think anything is wrong, but if you were using somthing like the 15 dollar a month AT&T service then it would always seem laggy and crappy.
Yeah, MGO has dedicated servers for weekly survival and tournaments. Plus, MGO supports dedicated hosts so there is no player host running around with 0 ping like COD.Xyphon said:WAAAAAITWAITWAITWAIT! Metal Gear Online has dedicated servers? All I've ever seen are games hosted by the community. o-O"
I take it you never had to experience Windows ME.Souplex said:Bill Gates hasn't been at Microsoft for a few years. That explains how something as wretched as 7 could slip out.Cobblerfiend said:the real reason is it isnt free is because we will pay for it
sorry but Mr gates loves him some money
or you could use open office (it,s free and legal it can also read more file types then MS office)SpAc3man said:They like giving free stuff to students. My uni is a member of the MSDN Academic Alliance which provides free Microsoft products via download to students studying stuff like computer science or engineering. For one of my papers I did last year I needed a C compiler for at home so I could work on my project away from uni. Of course there a free compilers (including one from MS) but I wanted to use MS Visual Studio as that is what I was using at uni. Sure enough I could get just about any version of it for free from the MSDNAA so I downloaded MS Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate. Further research revealed that MS VS 2010 Ultimate normally costs just under US$12,000henritje said:because Microsoft wants to charge for EVERY LITTLE THING (why else would they charge $100+ for office software)
also welcome to the escapist
I got it for free. Legally.
Unfortunately none of the basic Office software is available on this magical service. I can only get a 60% discount on that through another source.
Yet no matter how much money we throw at Valve they still wont release episode 3Worgen said:and yet pc gamers have the best service and its costs us even lessValkyira said:The reason why Xbox Live arguably a better online service than PSN is because we pay for it. Our money lets Microsoft make improvements to XBL.
That's why even though it costs money, more people are on XBL than PSN. It's an all round better service.
Let me put it this way...Jumplion said:I know I'm probably going to get a few "trollz" accusations or something, but I don't see how you paying them helps improve the service itself.Valkyira said:The reason why Xbox Live arguably a better online service than PSN is because we pay for it. Our money lets Microsoft make improvements to XBL.
That's why even though it costs money, more people are on XBL than PSN. It's an all round better service.
For one, it's Peer to Peer and from what I understand P2P is worse than the stuff that PSN/PC has like dedicated servers and whatnot (P2P also limits the number of players to something like 16v16), so this means you're essentially paying for something that should be free and is also inferior.
Next, most features you get with a LIVE subscription don't have anything to do with online connectivity. You get stuff like Netflix, Last.fm, something with Facebook and Twitter, whatever. You get a ton of features that most people already have for free on the PC. You're paying for features that you should get for free, and infact you probably already have for free.
And on top of all that, you are being forced to pay for access to half a game's content. Most people throw a hissy-fit when Capcom makes you pay for DLC already on the disk, why should this be acceptable? You've already payed $60 for a game upfront, some of that goes to Microsoft for licensing and whatnot, why should I be forced to pay extra just to unlock half a game's content?
I dunno, if I'm wrong on any of those assertions please correct me. I've enjoyed PSN and STEAM and they've both been great services for me. Personally, I guess, LIVE just doesn't seem all that appealing. The only reason that LIVE costs money is because people are willing to pay for it, so why drop it? Infact, didn't they recently increase the price of LIVE? That, if anything, speaks greatly for how much people are willing to shell out for something they shouldn't shell out for.
EDIT: Oh, not to mention, the LIVE service in anywhere but the US gets shafted severely. They don't even have any of those features like Netflix, Facebook, Twitter, ESPN etc... and they still have to shell out more cash for those features even though they're not getting them.
You know, plenty of people have done the math, and it roughly balances out to under 20p a day.IronicBeet said:They charge for it because they know we'll pay for it, no matter how much of a rip-off it is.
I agree though another contributing factor is that their greedy bastards just like Sony who try to get more money from console sales by saying that their on-line is free its just two different tactics to reach the same end.MEGA PROFIT.Valkyira said:The reason why Xbox Live arguably a better online service than PSN is because we pay for it. Our money lets Microsoft make improvements to XBL.
That's why even though it costs money, more people are on XBL than PSN. It's an all round better service.
I think Windows 7 is great! Well....It is next to Vista anyhoo. Certainly beats Windows ME *graphic shuddering*Souplex said:Bill Gates hasn't been at Microsoft for a few years. That explains how something as wretched as 7 could slip out.Cobblerfiend said:the real reason is it isnt free is because we will pay for it
sorry but Mr gates loves him some money