No, however it is changing.. If I was a retailer I would believe its dead because no one buys from bricks and mortar stores much anymore. Most purchases are online now...
Why is PC gaming "dead"?
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It just has suffered a bit of momentum due to consoles and WoW is all. Assholes who tell you PC gaming is dead are no better than those idiots who say punk rock is dead.
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console gaming has a lower knowledge barrier, they are simple and easy to use, pcs are multi purpose and unless you know something about them you will always have to wonder if yours can play so and so. I myself like the knowledge aspect, I like knowing how it works and how to fix it if it breaks down. But allot of people dont have it and so they buy the easiest "cheapest" optionChibz said:
Console gaming IS infinitely cheaper, has more releases and many of them are superior quality. Here's an example. My wii & Wii Shop Channel & game collection costs about as much as a mid range gaming PC. That is goddamn expensive for the PC, given how vast my library is. Or, alternately, it's the same price as my 360 & PS3 & PSP & DSi XL & Wii. I could either buy a system & library or every console of this gen or a single system that generally lacks games. I wonder which is a better investment /sarcasm.Worgen said:
Console gamers have more "shops" to buy at, and more games per location.
Console gamers have the legal protections of actual ownership of their copy of the game, instead of everything being leased to them.
Consoles are harder to pirate on (Certainly can't pirate a console game without modding the console), so there's more incentive to develop for them.
Yeah, that title should be dropped for something else . . . perhaps STALKERIronic Pirate said:I think the picture could stand some updating.Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
I mean, people hated Spore, what with the DRM and all that...
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TBH, the industry is going that way . . . but, at the same time, some PC enthusiasts view the industry is leading itself more towards "consolozation," mostly due to how the big manufacturers (namely AMD and Intel) are moving more and more towards integrated systems . . . bigger and better onboard video and audio, mostly, are pushing in that direction. If Intel ever gets out Larrabe, and if AMD's Fusion take off, we'll see the PC industry quickly start moving in that direction.
As it stands, though, I firmly believe the biggest issue with incompatiblity problems and issues like mostly in the hands of the user. Now, I'm not going to say PC titles don't have problems - that's been an ongoing issue since Pong. Granted, today's bugs and glitches are nowhere near as catastrophic as they were, say . . . 10 years ago. But, the fact remains that the majority of titles (the one's not "rushed out the door" at least) are relatively bug free, with the occasional quirk. On the user end, though, is a whole different story. There's still a massive percentage of the market using "antique" hardware, and a larger portion that don't keep up with software/OS/driver updates. Spending time on numerous tech and game forums, I can no longer count the number of users who were able to fix the issues simply by updating their video, audio or chipset drivers . . .
But, I think the problem there lies in user ignorance - too many users don't know if and or when they need to update their drivers or software, most don't even know how to go about checking . . . ganted, auto-updating utilities make it easier, especially for those who have no idea what hardware they're actually running, but it's not fool-proof, either. The industry as a whole really needs to find some way to address this problem, IMHO, as it continues to give every-day usage of the PC a bad reputation. It's what has lead to users believing that programs don't work, or they're going to have issues, etc. At the same time, there needs to be an easier way for the user to determine what hardware they have, if they need to manually look it up. This is where a lot of pre-built systems fail. The big manufacturers only stout basic numbers instead of providing some kind of "spec sheet" with their systems. Users only see on the box: 4GB memory, 320GB hard drive, 2.4GHz Intel CPU, ATI HD4000 series, etc. There's no way anyone could figure out what kind of updates a user would need from such spec "lists."
Whatever, though - I find it funny. The gaming market has been stating for 20 years now that PC gaming is dying . . . at the same time, consoles are becoming more and more PC like with each generation. I'm simply waiting now for confirmation: the first console that provides a keyboard and mouse out-of-the-box so that you can use a word processor that's bundled with the console
I never understood such logic displayed in this thread when people don't agree with the picture's point. People HAVE been saying pc gaming is dead since 1985, and it's not. The numbers show otherwise. Attacking the games in such a picture really isn't a vital tactic since it usually involves personal preference and not everybody enjoys the same thing. Console gaming has more than its fair share of undesirable titles and shovelware too. Heck, that's practically the only term that can accurately describe the Wii's 3rd party catalog.Chibz said:Let's look over the GAMES on that, shall we?Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
Crysis: Showcased everything wrong with PC gaming.
WoW: Is gaming in the same way killing your children, then eating them for christmas dinner is parenting.
Sims: See above point.
Spore: Pretty much universally loathed.
Fallout: Was PC exclusive. But is now mostly played on console.
And many of the games had (superior) console ports.
PC gaming isn't quite "dead". It's just marginalized. It's not even a side show. Way to kill it, MIcrosoft.
Sorry for the double-post, but:
You can purchase a decent gaming rig for the same cost that most consoles are when brand new to the market. As well PC titles routinely drop in price within a month of release. Unless you have to purchase a title when it's first released, there's no need to spend $60+ for a game. Hell, I can't even remember the last time I spent more than $30 for a game.
And if you go with DD, like Steam, prices are routinely cheaper.
The money you put aside, you can invest into hardware upgrades . . . or, conversely, the amount you'd spend on the next console release could be put towards a major hardware upgrade (i.e. a video card), and you'd still have money left over.
No, PC gaming is not more expensive than consoles . . . quite the contrary.
Nope, again, wrong. Read the EULA. It's been *relatively* the same for every software release for any platform for 30 years now.
You DO NOT OWN THE RIGHTS TO YOUR COPY. You are "purchasing usage rights" of the software. Big difference. What your are buying is the legal right to use and play the software, and that's it. You do not have the right to tamper, mod or reverse engineer any portion of the software that you're purchasing. At the same time, the developer (and publisher) hold the right to rebuke that at any given time.
Same holds true for PC games . . . thing is, most PC developers are much more friendly with their communities. As long as you're not trying to sell or hack their games, they're fine with the community modding and creating patches and such.
BS. Out-and-out BS.Chibz said:
You can purchase a decent gaming rig for the same cost that most consoles are when brand new to the market. As well PC titles routinely drop in price within a month of release. Unless you have to purchase a title when it's first released, there's no need to spend $60+ for a game. Hell, I can't even remember the last time I spent more than $30 for a game.
And if you go with DD, like Steam, prices are routinely cheaper.
The money you put aside, you can invest into hardware upgrades . . . or, conversely, the amount you'd spend on the next console release could be put towards a major hardware upgrade (i.e. a video card), and you'd still have money left over.
No, PC gaming is not more expensive than consoles . . . quite the contrary.
Only due to how large the console market has become. Some game stores still carry as large, if not a larger selection of PC games, but the majority don't. PC shops still carry a larger PC selection than they do for consoles. Thanks to this lack of brick and mortar shops for PCs, it's aided in the growth of digital distribution. It has nothing to do with consoles being better or worse than PCs - it has more to do with the distributors wanting to cater to the better selling market, and kicking themselves in the nuts at the same time.
Nope, again, wrong. Read the EULA. It's been *relatively* the same for every software release for any platform for 30 years now.
You DO NOT OWN THE RIGHTS TO YOUR COPY. You are "purchasing usage rights" of the software. Big difference. What your are buying is the legal right to use and play the software, and that's it. You do not have the right to tamper, mod or reverse engineer any portion of the software that you're purchasing. At the same time, the developer (and publisher) hold the right to rebuke that at any given time.
Same holds true for PC games . . . thing is, most PC developers are much more friendly with their communities. As long as you're not trying to sell or hack their games, they're fine with the community modding and creating patches and such.
Piracy has nothing to do with market trends. TBH, the more console become like a PC, the more you'll see piracy becoming an issue. There are ways around DRM, and pirates will find those means. Right now, it's hard to pirate for a console, but it is possible . . . it'll only become easier as time goes on, and the practice will climb in the console market - especially if console game prices stay where they're at for as long as they do. Mark my words on that one.
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the ps3 only got cheaper then a decent pc when the price dropped and your forgetting associated costs. The only console that is cheaper then a pc is a wii, I suppose portable ones also. cost of a tv with a console is more then a little, cost of a monitor with a desktop, not much, less with a lappy, my friend got a very nice gaming lappy for bout 600 bones.Chibz said:
Consoles have no superior quality, they have the same problems pcs do in that reguard, altho they do have the benefit of only needing to test each piece of software for a single configuration, that doesnt mean they are flawless and its much easier to fix a pc game after release then a console one (Im not sure ninendo ever was able to fix the game killing bug in metroid the other M)
costs of titles also tend to be less on pc, much more so now there there are steam sales, I got all of the fear games for 10 bucks, I could have gotten almost every thq game for 50 total. Not to mention that with a system like the 360 you not only have to pay isp costs for internet access but extra costs if you want to play multi.
a pc is a much better investment since it can do more then just play games and there is a gigantic library of games to obtain for very cheap prices, stores might not stock as many pc games as console ones but the pc dwarfs the console in the number of games it has, and you can play older console games on it with emulators
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Oh I agree you can't blame the market or the devs for issues in hardware. I just view it as one reason why PC gaming is struggling against the console market. If your console game needs to be updated, or your console's OS needs an update the system takes care of it almost automatically, while most driver update systems are nowhere near automatic, or if they are they're resource hogs. For many gamers, however, it's a matter of simplicity. Put disc in tray = game ready to go on a console, whereas on a PC it's a more complicated process, especially given how few people think to keep their drivers updated. Update systems like Steam's auto-updater help, that's for sure.imperialreign said:As it stands, though, I firmly believe the biggest issue with incompatiblity problems and issues like mostly in the hands of the user. Now, I'm not going to say PC titles don't have problems - that's been an ongoing issue since Pong. Granted, today's bugs and glitches are nowhere near as catastrophic as they were, say . . . 10 years ago. But, the fact remains that the majority of titles (the one's not "rushed out the door" at least) are relatively bug free, with the occasional quirk. On the user end, though, is a whole different story. There's still a massive percentage of the market using "antique" hardware, and a larger portion that don't keep up with software/OS/driver updates. Spending time on numerous tech and game forums, I can no longer count the number of users who were able to fix the issues simply by updating their video, audio or chipset drivers . . .
But, I think the problem there lies in user ignorance - too many users don't know if and or when they need to update their drivers or software, most don't even know how to go about checking . . . ganted, auto-updating utilities make it easier, especially for those who have no idea what hardware they're actually running, but it's not fool-proof, either. The industry as a whole really needs to find some way to address this problem, IMHO, as it continues to give every-day usage of the PC a bad reputation. It's what has lead to users believing that programs don't work, or they're going to have issues, etc. At the same time, there needs to be an easier way for the user to determine what hardware they have, if they need to manually look it up. This is where a lot of pre-built systems fail. The big manufacturers only stout basic numbers instead of providing some kind of "spec sheet" with their systems. Users only see on the box: 4GB memory, 320GB hard drive, 2.4GHz Intel CPU, ATI HD4000 series, etc. There's no way anyone could figure out what kind of updates a user would need from such spec "lists."
Whatever, though - I find it funny. The gaming market has been stating for 20 years now that PC gaming is dying . . . at the same time, consoles are becoming more and more PC like with each generation. I'm simply waiting now for confirmation: the first console that provides a keyboard and mouse out-of-the-box so that you can use a word processor that's bundled with the console
I don't think that PC gaming is dying. I think it is becoming more focused on the genres it does better than consoles. The issues I raised with PC games was more to say that if they could come up with intuitive ways to fix said issues, ways that didn't effectively punish the consumer for choosing the platform, that PC gaming would experience a resurgence.
What really amuses me is the PC gamers here who deride consoles as "crap" and expect them to die off soon. I for one have a gaming PC and an Xbox. I love both of them. Certain games are better on consoles than desktops. Certain games are better on desktops than consoles. One platform is not inherently better than the other; they're just different. Maintaining otherwise makes you eerily similar to the Xbox and PS3 fanboys who rant endlessly over which minuscule difference between their consoles makes the one infinitely better than the other.
PC gaming is 100% dead. Last year everyone I know got a Wii and threw out their PCs because PC gaming was dead. I really wish my Wii could use the Internet better, but I head it's over (Thanks for telling me Prince, I never would have known without you!), so oh well. I can't wait to play the next Petz game, it's gonna be totally awesome. PC gaming never had anything nearly that good. Anyone want to exchange friend codes?
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Not really the point that the image is making. It's saying that PC gaming isn't dead because people still make plenty of games for it. I mean, there should be Dragon Age on that list as well. That game was 10x better on PC.Chibz said:Let's look over the GAMES on that, shall we?Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
Crysis: Showcased everything wrong with PC gaming.
WoW: Is gaming in the same way killing your children, then eating them for christmas dinner is parenting.
Sims: See above point.
Spore: Pretty much universally loathed.
Fallout: Was PC exclusive. But is now mostly played on console.
And many of the games had (superior) console ports.
PC gaming isn't quite "dead". It's just marginalized. It's not even a side show. Way to kill it, MIcrosoft.