Why is PS3 Last?
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The PS3 has had SixAxis since launch. But it seems you couldn't even remember it while writing the original post (don't worry, my friends with PS3s also forget it's there).
Actually I did remember it, it just seemed a little unecessary to include it when I already mentioned Move, which has obviously become their main source of motion control.
Oh but if you insist.
The PS3 actually has, not one, but TWO motion controllers. Move AND Sixaxis, the latter of which is built into every PS3 dualshock! Now isn't that nice?
Second: you just scored an own goal. Basically you're pointing out that Sony likes to make castles in the clouds and they have become completely disconnected from reality.[/b]
Not really sure what you mean by that. Last I checked, the more features a device has, the more varied and better value for money it is. Also increases its ability to cater to a wider audience.
This coming from a former Sony fanboy. I'm sorry but I couldn't support a brand that doesn't know what they're doing.
Not totally wrong there. I will admit that Sony's application of Move and their support for it has been anaemic at best. That doesn't mean it's a bad piece of kit though. Move is a very accurate device that is also comfortable to hold. It just needs the right games to show that.
Why I bought a 360: the console was cheaper, and the games are also cheaper (55-60? instead of 70?). Nothing else.
Hold on... the GAMES are cheaper? Really?? Wow, as far as I know then Portugal is the only country where that's the case because everywhere else PS3 and 360 games are evenly priced.
Actually I did remember it, it just seemed a little unecessary to include it when I already mentioned Move, which has obviously become their main source of motion control.
Oh but if you insist.
The PS3 actually has, not one, but TWO motion controllers. Move AND Sixaxis, the latter of which is built into every PS3 dualshock! Now isn't that nice?
Second: you just scored an own goal. Basically you're pointing out that Sony likes to make castles in the clouds and they have become completely disconnected from reality.[/b]
Not really sure what you mean by that. Last I checked, the more features a device has, the more varied and better value for money it is. Also increases its ability to cater to a wider audience.
This coming from a former Sony fanboy. I'm sorry but I couldn't support a brand that doesn't know what they're doing.
Not totally wrong there. I will admit that Sony's application of Move and their support for it has been anaemic at best. That doesn't mean it's a bad piece of kit though. Move is a very accurate device that is also comfortable to hold. It just needs the right games to show that.
Why I bought a 360: the console was cheaper, and the games are also cheaper (55-60? instead of 70?). Nothing else.
Hold on... the GAMES are cheaper? Really?? Wow, as far as I know then Portugal is the only country where that's the case because everywhere else PS3 and 360 games are evenly priced.
How is the free online shit? I RARELY ever get disconnected on PSN and match making is all solid. The only problem is the speed of downloads from Sony servers and that's bearable.El Dwarfio said:
Anyway, I see the price on launch as the problem why the PS3 was behind in sells. That and the hacking of PSN and people being idiots about it.
Maybe the ungodly, unnecessary firmware updates and the constant attack on people who altered the PS3 made people shy away from it.
I know I'm sick and tired of firmware updates that don't do anything, just so Sony can continue to lose against hackers, but feel like they're doing something.
The PS Vita firmware update was even more worthless. I don't own a Vita and at the price of it and the memory cards, I probably never will.
I know I'm sick and tired of firmware updates that don't do anything, just so Sony can continue to lose against hackers, but feel like they're doing something.
The PS Vita firmware update was even more worthless. I don't own a Vita and at the price of it and the memory cards, I probably never will.
To be honest, I haven't enjoyed a single PS3 exclusive title...
Also, consoles are one of those systems where the more popular one actually has an advantage for that reason alone. I play Xbox because all of my friends play Xbox. (In addition, the Party system is massively convenient.)
The Xbox got ahead out of the gate with a lower price and a much better line-up of games at launch. When one console gets ahead - especially in online gaming - it is very difficult for another to catch up.
Also, consoles are one of those systems where the more popular one actually has an advantage for that reason alone. I play Xbox because all of my friends play Xbox. (In addition, the Party system is massively convenient.)
The Xbox got ahead out of the gate with a lower price and a much better line-up of games at launch. When one console gets ahead - especially in online gaming - it is very difficult for another to catch up.
-The 360 came out well ahead of it, giving them a massive head start
-The Wii was came right after it, and it took off in a big way
-For the first year, the didn't really have a killer app (anyone else here remember "PS3 has no games!"?)
and easily the most damning of all...
FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS.
And they never recovered from that.
It didn't help that Sony kept shooting themselves in the foot, with them removing backwards compatibility and the never-ending firmware updates.
-The Wii was came right after it, and it took off in a big way
-For the first year, the didn't really have a killer app (anyone else here remember "PS3 has no games!"?)
and easily the most damning of all...
FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS.
And they never recovered from that.
It didn't help that Sony kept shooting themselves in the foot, with them removing backwards compatibility and the never-ending firmware updates.
It's important to remember that the 360 came out about a year earlier than the PS3. This helped it get a grasp on the market a great deal earlier. With an absence of many truly outstanding exclusives, there was little incentive for many customers to purchase a PS3 when they already had a 360. This was, of course, compounded by the fact that the PS3 was ludicrously expensive at its time of release.
Over time, as we all know, the PS3 truly developed into a strong contender with a great deal of developer support and peripherals, and a much welcome price drop, but the head start of the 360 is still going to be an issue in its long term success.
By the way, the reason why the reason why the Wii wasn't affected by this was because Nintendo was aiming at a completely different market, with a completely new lineup of games that could only be played for that particular console. This novelty meant that 360 owners could also get something out of purchasing it, as well as having a larger new market to grab hold of.
Over time, as we all know, the PS3 truly developed into a strong contender with a great deal of developer support and peripherals, and a much welcome price drop, but the head start of the 360 is still going to be an issue in its long term success.
By the way, the reason why the reason why the Wii wasn't affected by this was because Nintendo was aiming at a completely different market, with a completely new lineup of games that could only be played for that particular console. This novelty meant that 360 owners could also get something out of purchasing it, as well as having a larger new market to grab hold of.
Well I can only really give why I went for an XBOX. First, the 360 was cheaper and came out sooner. By the time I could afford an XBOX for £200~, the PS3 had launched for about £500. Second, A lot of the series that had been exclusive to the PS2 were going to be coming out on the 360. Finally, with the PS3 using Blu Ray discs, the games, even second hand, were still too expensive for me compared to the more reasonable 360.
Oh, and Mass Effect & Bioshock were XBOX/PC exclusives. Yeah, Bioshock eventually got a PS3 release but again, too little too late.
Oh, and Mass Effect & Bioshock were XBOX/PC exclusives. Yeah, Bioshock eventually got a PS3 release but again, too little too late.
From my observations: Yes.WhyWasThat said:
The problem is that the 360, even though it is a weak hunk of shit that will break IT'S SELF (almost as if it was designed that way... HMMMMM), has a massive install base. A lot of people have it, they have a library for it, and they don't want to switch over, and their friends want to play with them so they got the same system.
Sure, in the long run Microsoft is price gouging, and sure the PS3 is the stronger better system (it's the one I own, though it mostly collects dust as I game on my current gen PC which allows me to play however I want, for cheaper, with better graphics... I guess I've turned it on when I've wanted to watch Blu-Rays or play Red Dead or Metal Gear but that's really it), but people feel attached to their 360 either through their library, their friends, maybe even their gamer score.
Note I didn't mention the Wii in this post, that's because I feel it's not really competing in the same field, that is to say people aren't buying it for the same reason they'd buy a 360 or PS3. The Wii is more for the casual, younger, and non-gamer set. Most gamers who own a Wii own one in addition to one of the big two, and with good reason.
Sony should really learn from this generation, if they do they could easily dominate the next.
Ok, let me see if i can phrase this in a way that wont get me bashed.
The 360 is a Scion tC. A nice car, does everyone one man needs. While its not the fastest, sportiest, or smoothest ride, its a car. Its dependable, goes A-B with no trouble, and doesnt cost you a lot. Leather seats, Power windows, and a good sound system means its got everything you will NEED in a car, but nothing more. This is a 20,000$ car brand new. ((a little more after tax))
Now the PS3 is a Cadillac STS. A far smoother ride, far more horsepower, a lot more sporty, and it can get you from A-B in style. Its slightly more fuel efficient, has all the trimmings both interior and exterior, and is all around just better then the Scion. Everything you want in a car and more. But this car is 50,000$ brand new. ((a little more after tax))
While the PS3 is slightly better then the 360 in all respects (except download, install, and loading times), its also more expensive. And as such, the audience for it will be smaller. Because you have the people who dont really give a sh*t about how good a game looks, so long as it runs smoothly (im in that group), and then you have the people who want their games to look their best.
The big problem comes in when, if you want your games to look their best and play their best, you are more likely going to be a PC gamer then. A PC can out perform both the 360 and the PS3, and do far more then either.
In short, the PS3 is behind because its Better then the worse, but no where near the Best. A Scion isnt a Cadillac, but a Cadillac isnt half a Viper. The PS3 falls into the middle ground where "Give no f*cks" and "Give lots of fucks" collide, and it happens to have the smallest market because of it. Its Advanced, but Behind. Its Better, but Worse. Its got free internet, but if you have disposable income to spend on gaming, 60$ a year is probably very little to begin with.(I mean, you can put 25c into a glass jar everyday and come up with enough cash for XBL.)
The 360 is a Scion tC. A nice car, does everyone one man needs. While its not the fastest, sportiest, or smoothest ride, its a car. Its dependable, goes A-B with no trouble, and doesnt cost you a lot. Leather seats, Power windows, and a good sound system means its got everything you will NEED in a car, but nothing more. This is a 20,000$ car brand new. ((a little more after tax))
Now the PS3 is a Cadillac STS. A far smoother ride, far more horsepower, a lot more sporty, and it can get you from A-B in style. Its slightly more fuel efficient, has all the trimmings both interior and exterior, and is all around just better then the Scion. Everything you want in a car and more. But this car is 50,000$ brand new. ((a little more after tax))
While the PS3 is slightly better then the 360 in all respects (except download, install, and loading times), its also more expensive. And as such, the audience for it will be smaller. Because you have the people who dont really give a sh*t about how good a game looks, so long as it runs smoothly (im in that group), and then you have the people who want their games to look their best.
The big problem comes in when, if you want your games to look their best and play their best, you are more likely going to be a PC gamer then. A PC can out perform both the 360 and the PS3, and do far more then either.
In short, the PS3 is behind because its Better then the worse, but no where near the Best. A Scion isnt a Cadillac, but a Cadillac isnt half a Viper. The PS3 falls into the middle ground where "Give no f*cks" and "Give lots of fucks" collide, and it happens to have the smallest market because of it. Its Advanced, but Behind. Its Better, but Worse. Its got free internet, but if you have disposable income to spend on gaming, 60$ a year is probably very little to begin with.(I mean, you can put 25c into a glass jar everyday and come up with enough cash for XBL.)
Probably the year head start that Xbox got on it. I know lots of people that went PS1-PS2-360, simply because they couldnt wait for PS3, some sold theres on and got a PS3 when it came out, others didnt.
To be honest I don't really see the point, I'm Sony through and through but there pretty much indentical in terms of how the games look and play so it comes down to exclusives.
To be honest I don't really see the point, I'm Sony through and through but there pretty much indentical in terms of how the games look and play so it comes down to exclusives.
Mainly to do with the silliness at release, but I don't think it's all that far behind these days. I got a Ps3 quite close to launch, and I don't regret it. Hell, I'm sure if I added up the equivalent price of an Xbox 360 plus all these years' XBL subscriptions it wouldn't be all that different anyway. That's not really the point though, I love my ps3 because it has backwards compatibility (I have many PS2 games), great exclusives, it's extremely reliable and I happen to really like playstation controllers. 360 ones feel icky and cheap.
I think it comes down to the 360 appealing to a more casual audience (I know loads of guys that have one and just play CoD and FIFA, and it's always the 360), but I think if both consoles had launched as they are now there would be very little difference.
I think it comes down to the 360 appealing to a more casual audience (I know loads of guys that have one and just play CoD and FIFA, and it's always the 360), but I think if both consoles had launched as they are now there would be very little difference.
Wait a sec, I forgot to deploy my flame shield... gimme a tic...eyepatchdreams said:
There you go, resume ranting.
[sub]Tbf, my online experience with PS3 is limited to Uncharted2, MAG, MW2 and Red Dead Redemption... but well, that was enough[/sub]
Thing is though, despite all of the problems they're doing quite well; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Worldwide_sales_figures_6
They're only four million units behind the Xbox and that came out a year earlier and was cheaper.
They're only four million units behind the Xbox and that came out a year earlier and was cheaper.
It would mean something if I was mad or implying and disconnect. It was more to point out experiences differ and that it was unfortunate that you had a bad time with the online. sorry, If I didn't convey that before.El Dwarfio said:Wait a sec, I forgot to deploy my flame shield... gimme a tic...eyepatchdreams said:
There you go, resume ranting.
[sub]Tbf, my online experience with PS3 is limited to Uncharted2, MAG, MW2 and Red Dead Redemption... but well, that was enough[/sub]