Why is 'white knighting' seen as such a bad thing?

Baneat

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Men get pretty weak and stupid when the opposite sex is involved, even on a subconscious level. For an experiment try masquerading convincingly as a girl on various online communities and see what comes of it. I knew someone who could pull off an incredible falsetto and they got guys to actually *give* him stuff online and allsorts. The irony is of course charging to a woman's aid to defend them implies that they needed defending which is kind of funny.
 

Olas

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I guess by definition a "white knight" is defending something that most people are against or that is unpopular. So it kinda makes sense that people would generally hate them. If they're opinion weren't unpopular it wouldn't need a "white knight" defending it.
 

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A white knight is someone who supports some person/group I feel like attacking, who shouldn't because they aren't part of that group. Therefore, I have to invent a motive for them other than self-interest.
 

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FreedomofInformation said:
What you've mentioned is something different from white knighting on the internet.
On the flip side, it's also something different from what people generally scream "WHITE KNIGHT!!!!!!" At.

thaluikhain said:
A white knight is someone who supports some person/group I feel like attacking, who shouldn't because they aren't part of that group. Therefore, I have to invent a motive for them other than self-interest.
Or I conveniently infer a different form of self-interest.

But you see, we're disagreeing, so you are WHITE KNIGHTING!
 

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Froggy Slayer said:
This isn't to say that I always agree with them, but why has the idea of sticking up for you ideals and values seen as a bad thing by a lot of people these days (*cough*4chan*cough*)? As I've said, I don't always agree with some of these people, but I respect them for standing with their morals. It actually kind of disturbs me that so many people think of having morals and basic human empathy as a bad thing.
There is a world of difference between reciprocating empathy with your fellow human beings, and allowing yourself and your gender to be treated as disposable. Just because a person has a morale code doesn't mean that their morale code isn't absolute bullshit based on a pack of fabricated lies.
 

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Keoul said:
Do you truly believe 4chan represents a large majority of the internet or something?
It seems to represent a disturbingly large portion of the internet, that much is certain.

They may not be a large portion of the internet, but their userbase is several thousand times larger than the Escapist.
 

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Life Cycle of a Memetically Created Word:
1. Original meaning or concept
2. Adaptation into new use (For some reason, this always happens on 4chan. Always.)
3. Usage expands and meaning becomes diluted.
4. People attempt to retroactively define the word.
5a. The attempt to define the word properly causes its definition to splinter even further, and it collapses into oblivion.
5b. It gets an Urban Dictionary page. Actually, everything has an Urban Dictionary page, so this changes nothing and it collapses into oblivion.
5c. It gets a Know Your Meme page. Interest gradually wanes and that fancy Google search history graph gradually plunges to zero, and it is forgotten forever.
6. Ponies.

We seem to be lodged firmly in step four at the moment.
 

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Abomination said:
White Knights are like Trolls - nobody can agree on what either actually is.
Well there's a generally agreed upon definition for troll "person who incites anger intentionally" it's just that with Poe's Law it's nearly impossible to tell who is a troll and who isn't.

But yeah White Knight is a little different from place to place. From what I've seen it means "Person who defends a another person/concept/or thing without giving proper regard to the criticism that the it has received."
 

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People get upset by 'white knights' because it shows them how much they actually let slide. People's mental image of themselves as 'good people' is important to them. But every sexist comment that they let be posted without raising an issue detracts from that self-image.

It's a kind of a lie people tell themselves to keep that self-image intact. The idea that the person is only helping someone to sleep with them makes them an inferior person, and thus we're are better than them, even though we've done nothing.

Of course, the argument against 'white knighting' is that women can look after themselves, and don't need protection, and it's inherently sexist to try and help them. Well, if you saw a woman being attacked on the street, would you just keep on walking? If you saw anyone being attacked, would you just ignore it? Well, maybe. But that's more revealing about you rather than the person running to help. That argument is just kind of silly.

In the end, 'white knight' hate is fairly irrational. You get angry at someone unrelated to you for helping a stranger out. People are going to try and twist the definition of the term to justify their anger... but rationalizing inaction and bad behavior is basically part of being human.

And if you still want to argue about peoples motives: People are judged by their actions.
 

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Froggy Slayer said:
This isn't to say that I always agree with them, but why has the idea of sticking up for you ideals and values seen as a bad thing by a lot of people these days (*cough*4chan*cough*)? As I've said, I don't always agree with some of these people, but I respect them for standing with their morals. It actually kind of disturbs me that so many people think of having morals and basic human empathy as a bad thing.
On the internet, "white-knighting" is a very very small-subset of what you're talking about. White-knighting refers to the anti-feminist notion of protecting women just because they are women and you are expecting a "reward" for doing it. While you might be accused of "white-knighting" for simply doing what you believe and protecting people you think need it, the vast majority of white-knighters are passive-aggressive horn-dogs, which is why it's frowned upon
 

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I thought the term was Pink Knight. When a male takes the side of female even when the female is clearly wrong.

I've see a ton of girls be bitches on servers and there is always that pink knight that stands up for her. Most of the time the girl starts the argument herself.


White Knight on the other hand is when a person goes to another persons aid when need it. Which is the good version which no one has problems with.
 

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From what I have seen, 'white knights' tend to back people anyone that get a lot of hate, even if they fully deserve the hate, either out of pity for someone they see as being unfairly ganged up on or to spite the people that are attacking the person(s) the white knight is well white knighting.
 

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Sticking up for what you believe in is no problem and more power to you, a white knight is someone who takes the sides of women even when they are in the wrong or both parties are at fault and are incredibly annoying.
 

Some_weirdGuy

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What about dark knighting?
You know, the popular practice of acting like batman around women on the internet?
 

gyroscopeboy

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I always thought a White Knight was someone who told a girl about nude pics/videos people had of her on the internet...especially during the stickam days...
 

zehydra

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"White knighting" is term made up by black hats.

Why do you care what they think?
 

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It used to be an effective label that - like many things when too many people get a hold of it - was overused and applied to the wrong situations.

What used to need a certain criteria: defending someone's actions for an unrelated reason, is now used as a term to insult someone who takes a more "moral" stance on an issue. That is not to say the situations are mutually exclusive or mutually inclusive but the misapplication frequently remains true.

White knighting is far more prominent in MMORPGs like World of Warcraft where someone would have their raid spot defended because they had gained the sexual attractions of an influential member despite that individual's performance being sub-par.
 
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It's really a "When in Rome" type thing.

If you're blatantly going against the atmosphere of a place like 4chan and calling out women's rights and whatnot, expect to be ridiculed.

Look, I love morals and equality and all that stuff as much as the next guy, but sometimes I like to turn it off and shitpost everywhere. 4chan is the place to do that.

In some ways, a "White Knight" is like a reverse troll. They're never going to change any minds when posting somewhere like 4chan. They're uselessly yelling at a building while the people inside are just trying to have their own party. It's expected that the party goers will tell the annoying little bastard to fuck off.

On here, the party IS the moral, well intentioned people. As long as each party stays in its own building, we can all be happy.
 

Yopaz

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The problem here is that there's no clear definition of it like with several other internet terms.

White knighting has never been about standing up for your beliefs however. Your definition is wrong.

The definition I got form Urban Dictionary is that it means to stand up for someone for no apparent reason. Someone is a dick and gets hate, someone who comes to his aid for no reason is white knighting. I have never used the term myself so I don't know and I haven't really seen it myself so I can't express any strong feelings on the matter.